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God Of War 4 art leaks (Norse setting, Kratos w/ beard) [Up2: Polygon says real]

Which part of God of War 4 are you most excited about?


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Corpsepyre

Banned
OléGunner;200291900 said:
The fact that GoW III ends on a cliffhanger gives SSM more than enough wiggle room and creative liberties (that are hopefully logical) to have Kratos in for another game and mythology.

I'm struggling to understand a few of the posts that say having him back makes literally no sense.



I think Ascension is the lowest quality GoW game and it's still pretty great, just missing the epic scale of all the prior games imo.

I'm interested in hearing how Stig did Kratos dirty though?
The hope angle when he goes within his psyche near the end did nothing for you huh.

I thought it worked alright with Kratos at least forgiving himself with the help of his wife and daughter (before proceeding to bash O for all eternity lol)

Good post. I also fail to understand how people can say Kratos's story is done with, given how GoW3 ended. It doesn't take a genius to understand that they ended it on that particular note so they can work around the story and introduce it, albeit differently, in future titles.

We should be discussing WHAT happened during that very last scene rather than harping on and on about why Kratos is back.
 
the setting looks great, I hope they truly do go an adventure-puzzle focused god of war. Never cared for the story in the games, quite cringey.

Love the colours of the art work. Good, good. With that it will likely look way more beautiful than the upcoming Zelda game

Cool, God of War is back.

Was hoping they'd go for a more interesting mythology though.

It looks mesmerizing indeed thanks to SSM talented. This mitigated my anger about using the overdone generic norse setting. SSM made it look appealing and no longer generic. They can make any setting look attractive. I have faith in them. Not only the artworks looked beautiful but also overloaded with many details which I have no doubt they will transalate accurately in a very demanding game (PS4K FTW).
 
the setting looks great, I hope they truly do go an adventure-puzzle focused god of war. Never cared for the story in the games, quite cringey.

Love the colours of the art work. Good, good. With that it will likely look way more beautiful than the upcoming Zelda game

Don't think this will happen.

GoW is all about striking the perfect balance between combat, platforming and puzzle solving.
Pulling too much in the puzzle direction would piss off a lot of fans including me.

I do want grand environmental puzzles though with a lot of moving pieces.
The Steeds of Time bridge puzzle from GoW II is still one of my favourites in the series.
 

Corpsepyre

Banned
OléGunner;200304462 said:
Don't think this will happen.

GoW is all about striking the perfect balance between combat, platforming and puzzle forming.
Pulling too much in the puzzle direction would piss off a lot of fans including me.

I do want grand environmental puzzles though with a lot of moving pieces.
The Steeds of Time bridge puzzle from GoW II is still one of my favourites in the series.

GoW3 is incredibly weak in the puzzle dept. That blasted music puzzle and a couple more stand out, but the real puzzles are in 1, 2 and Ascension.
 

m4st4

Member
It looks mesmerizing indeed thanks to SSM talented. This mitigated my anger about using the overdone generic norse setting. SSM made it look appealing and no longer generic. They can make any setting look attractive. I have faith in them. Not only the artworks looked beautiful but also overloaded with many details which I have no doubt they will transalate accurately in a very demanding game (PS4K FTW).

Agreed about the art direction. Based on concept art alone it looks gorgeous.
 
GoW3 is incredibly weak in the puzzle dept. That blasted music puzzle and a couple more stand out, but the real puzzles are in 1, 2 and Ascension.

Yeah the GoW III puzzles aren't the best the series offer.
I felt it was part of the games singular drive however, with SSM trying to get the player relentlessly through murdering all the Greek gods (with a few puzzles sprinkled about).

I really like the garden maze time puzzle though, that was fun and clever imo!
Edit: Yeah the music puzzle was awesome too, holy crap thanks for the reminder :)
 

RoadHazard

Gold Member

Mmmwell, that's not quite how these mythologies actually work though. In Greek mythology that pantheon is all there is, and they rule the entire world, not just Greece (lol). Same for Norse mythology. But I guess the GoW pantheons can't handle more than one little kingdom each. Pretty weak! No wonder Zeus got his head smashed in.
 
the setting looks great, I hope they truly do go an adventure-puzzle focused god of war. Never cared for the story in the games, quite cringey.

Love the colours of the art work. Good, good. With that it will likely look way more beautiful than the upcoming Zelda game

OléGunner;200304462 said:
Don't think this will happen.

GoW is all about striking the perfect balance between combat, platforming and puzzle solving.
Pulling too much in the puzzle direction would piss off a lot of fans including me.

I do want grand environmental puzzles though with a lot of moving pieces.
The Steeds of Time bridge puzzle from GoW II is still one of my favourites in the series.

GoW3 is incredibly weak in the puzzle dept. That blasted music puzzle and a couple more stand out, but the real puzzles are in 1, 2 and Ascension.

OléGunner;200304902 said:
Yeah the GoW III puzzles aren't the best the series offer.
I felt it was part of the games singular drive however, with SSM trying to get the player relentlessly through murdering all the Greek gods (with a few puzzles sprinkled about).

I really like the garden maze time puzzle though, that was fun and clever imo!
Edit: Yeah the music puzzle was awesome too, holy crap thanks for the reminder :)


There are surely puzzles in here:

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There is like a light puzzle and between the last two screens it seems that is the same room but one is clean and the other has faced the effect of time which made plants and grassinvade it. The same is noticed between the first two pics.

I noticed that plants will play an important role in the game not only as living environmental obstacles but also as part of an expected time effect or manipulation which alters the setting's look. I noticed that in many artworks too:


 

Ducktail

Member
God of War is Kratos. I find it way more interesting to see what kind of justification Kratos has for killing a whole nother slew of gods rather than some new probably typical heroic character taking the reins.

No justification is needed. It's God of War. He brutally murdered dozens of Gods in previous games for "revenge". I'm hoping he dismembers some of these gods and later attach their limbs to his body to get powers, just like the wings from previous games.
 
There are surely puzzles in here:

There is like a light puzzle and between the last two screens it seems that is the same room but one is clean and the other has faced the effect of time which made plants and grassinvade it. The same is noticed between the first two pics.

I noticed that plants will play an important role in the game not only as living environmental obstacles but also as part of an expected time effect or manipulation which alters the setting's look. I noticed that in many artworks too:

I am loving the second picture. I love water caustics. It is a great effect. I loved the one in the caves of Uncharted 4. Looking forward to see it in GOW4.
 
Concept art looks first class, hopefully the game will be too.

Also extremely happy that it looks like SSM is just using David Jaffe's GOW3 story after all, which was much, much cooler than what we actually got. Might be more than just Norse mythology in this game (trilogy?), perhaps Egyptian as well.
 

RoadHazard

Gold Member
Bringing Kratos to other universes like Soul Calibur and especially MK9 worked so fine. and didn't feel contradictory or irrelevent. In fact MK9 is about the asian deities and Kratos dealt well with Raiden and Fujin at the end.

Those are fighting games in which Kratos made cameos. It's SO not the same as him going to different universes in the main series. Link was in Soul Calibur too, but I don't think anyone thinks that's canon in the Zelda lore.

All this Kratos hate is hilarious.

I don't hate him (although he is an angry asshole), I just don't understand what he is doing in Norse mythology. It doesn't make sense unless in the GoW universe there's just a single mythology consisting of Greek, Norse, Egyptian, etc, "factions", all co-existing.
 
I noticed that plants will play an important role in the game not only as living environmental obstacles but also as part of an expected time effect or manipulation which alters the setting's look. I noticed that in many artworks too:

I think the plants are just different artworks so they will choose wich ones looks better in the game, like variation a, b, c ecc..

Seing all that water make my hope that there will be big underwater sections. What if they add underwater combat? It would be pretty hard to pull of, but it would add variety to the classics underwater section where you just swim from point a to point b.
 
How are you guys all feeling about Kratos' new axe?

It seems way less iconic and interesting to use than the blades of chaos to me.
Granted it's just a couple of pictures and we have no video but I'm not feeling it too much right now.

Any other games have good axe combat as a pillar of brutal gameplay?
 
I think the plants are just different artworks so they will choose wich ones looks better in the game, like variation a, b, c ecc..

Seing all that water make my hope that there will be big underwater sections. What if they add underwater combat? It would be pretty hard to pull of, but it would add variety to the classics underwater section where you just swim from point a to point b.

They have the solution already from Studio Cambridge who made Primal. When you become the Aquis race you travel most of the time in water and combats happen there. They found a solution for aquatic battles by borrowing Zone Of The Enders air/space combat mechanics which inlcudes dodges/air rolls etc but after making it heavier since it is in water.
 
OléGunner;200306968 said:
How are you guys all feeling about Kratos' new axe?

It seems way less iconic and interesting to use than the blades of chaos to me.
Granted it's just a couple of pictures and we have no video but I'm not feeling it too much right now.

Any other games have good axe combat as a pillar of brutal gameplay?

The primitive look of Kratos, his axe everything looks similar to Far Cry Primal. To add to the conspiracy, shinobi602 tweeted that he got Far Cry Primal just after the tweet about norse GOW4. Maybe he is going to train himself with Far Cry Primal before the release of GOW4 (since both Takkar and Kratos use almost the same primitive clothing design now and maybe weapons XD).
 

Conduit

Banned
I don't hate him (although he is an angry asshole), I just don't understand what he is doing in Norse mythology. It doesn't make sense unless in the GoW universe there's just a single mythology consisting of Greek, Norse, Egyptian, etc, "factions", all co-existing.

Well, Kratos must kill all gods. I imagine when Odin will say : "Kratos, you slaughtered my friend Zeus!"

Can greek main god and norse main god be friends?
 

Ganondolf

Member
they should not bring back kratos as he died in the last game. also if they are moving away from the greek setting its better to have new characters.
 
They have the solution already from Studio Cambridge who made Primal. When you become the Aquis race you travel most of the time in water and combats happen there. They found a solution for aquatic battles by borrowing Zone Of The Enders air/space combat mechanics which inlcudes dodges/air rolls etc but after making it heavier since it is in water.

Never had the opportunity to play these 2 games (aside from a ps2 demo of primal) sadly... I hope they implement that buuut i think that would have been cooler in a greek setting, with all these underwater temples, sirens ecc. Imho
 
Irrationally? I guess it was all his fault when he was a kid and the gods kidnapped his beloved brother (and later killed him). Or when they transformed his mother (whom Zeus had raped) into a monster, forcing him to kill her. Or when they tricked him into killing his own family. Or when they took advantage of him and had him do their dirty work for 10 years and left him with his nightmares. Or when they tortured him even further for trying to break an oath from the sadistic, maniacal god that they themselves wanted dead anyway. Etc. He made a big mistake when he made an oath with ares, undeniably. But let's not act like it was all is fault for what happened to him.

Added some details in bold, but I agree: people who think Kratos' anger is "irrational" should get a clue.

Though I will say that I wish the series had spent just a little more time exposing the Greek gods for the corrupt frauds that they were. They did that with Ares, maybe a little with Zeus, but not so much the rest. If we'd seen firsthand just how selfish the gods were up on Olympus, and how much they really didn't give a shit about mankind, it would've been so much more satisfying to destroy it all.
 

Veelk

Banned
Look, I'm agreeing with you, i said that the oath he made with ares was totally his fault and his biggest mistake and what happened to his family is a consequence of that decision that he made. And i know that Kratos is a Ares servant and should obey to his orders, however you can't expect him to just shut up and do nothing when he get tricked into killing his own family, the only people he love in his life (since the same gods deprived him of the rest of his family), it's a totally unresonable reaction and or expectation. Like, it's not like staying one hour more to workplace because your boss say so XD These aren't really great comparisons imho. And Yes, Kratos is a selfish person, a person forged by the place he grew in, and by the actions of the gods.

Also I'm pretty sure he is also angry at himself, not only at Ares. Ares payed with his life for what he have done to him and his family, agreement or not, "rules" or not. By the way, where were this "rules" when Zeus killed Kratos im gow2? I thought there was a really important rule enstablished in the first game where gods cannot fight each other? I think you might be overanalizing all of this as someone have already said.

He never acknowledges it if so. The game is always about "I'm angry because of him, or her, or him again". I expect him to take responsibility, and think things out more before he jumps into deals with other dieties. But it's always the same old tired story with him. He gets into some kind of agreement wherein he works for one or the other, but then he does something the boss won't have, and then he views it as a personal betrayal regardless of what justification that the boss had. The severity difference is extreme, but the analogy I gave works on a functional level. The only real objection Kratos can ever give is that he doesn't like what he's doing, never that the opposing party willingly betrayed him. This was Kratos' deal, he accepted it full-on, and as upset as he may be, he really only has himself to blame.

So I don't buy that he's angry at himself. Maybe subconciously, if you're willing to be generous to the character, but I don't believe him to be aware that the shit he goes through is his own damn fault. There is no "you know what, this whole system is fucked" moment. It's only ever about what wrongs have been done to him personally. Everything else is gravy, and....man, that is just so unaware. He's a very stupid character, and it frustrates me.

As for GoW2, Zues is the boss. This was how it was in the original mythology, and how it's depicted in the game. If you're an olympian, he says, you do. If he wanted Kratos to stop his war path, Kratos was obligated to do so by the rule of Olympus which I'm assuming he agreed to when they ascended him. I mean, SURELY the gods wouldn't be so hopelessly stupid to just blindly give the guy godhood without any kind of oaths or anything.

I don't think you give you are giving enough credit to the unspoken portion of the "contract" that is here. Kratos "gives his life" to Ares essentially saying "You protect me Ares and I will protect you". There is no expectation that they are equals but that they are pulling in the same direction. Ares knows and believes this as well.

If Ares just wanted to free Kratos from the bond of his family, he would have given Kratos a specific order "kill your family". Ares does NOT do this. Ares knows he is not going by the spirit of the contract which is why he goes about getting Kratos to kill his family without full knowledge. Neither of these guys are great people, but don't absolve Ares, he knew what he was doing, knew it was against the spirit of their contract, and acted anyway.

Uh...no. There are no unspoken agreements, only the spoken parts. The Gods are NOT your friends, and when Kratos made the deal, the only reason they're 'pulling in the same direction' is because Kratos is obligated to pull in whatever direction Ares pulls. There is no spirit of the contract. Kratos didn't make an alliegance toward any goal except the preservation of his own life in that one battle, and Ares fulfilled it. Everything after that is a blank check for Ares.

Kratos and Ares were not friends or even allies. Kratos willfully sold himself into slavery. He's a slave. His opinions, preferences, hopes, dreams, whatever, none of them matter. Which isn't to say that Ares is a nice guy, but the simple fact of the matter is that there was no betrayal because you cannot betray a slave because you have no obligations to them, while they have every obligation to you. And if Ares decided to trick Kratos, well, that's a dick thing to do, but it's not a betrayal, because Ares doesn't have any obligation to be honest with Kratos.

And, again, I have to clarify, this is not a defense of Ares. He's clearly an asshole. But he's not a traitor to Kratos, which is what Kratos likes to pretend.

Edit: Also the "you protect me and I'll protect you" part doesn't even make any sense. What could Ares possibly need protection from. In the context of the game, Ares is immortal except for the box's powers, and Gods aren't allowed to fight amongst themselves. The titans are dead and in the ground and the Fates were allied with the gods, not doing anything even when Ares is fucking up the world. There was no threat to Ares life until Kratos himself was sent on the quest. Who did Kratos think he was going to protect him from? Kratos' job was to bring Ares glory, which just meant warmongering, which he was already doing as a spartan captain anyway.
 
The primitive look of Kratos, his axe everything looks similar to Far Cry Primal. To add to the conspiracy, shinobi602 tweeted that he got Far Cry Primal just after the tweet about norse GOW4. Maybe he is going to train himself with Far Cry Primal before the release of GOW4 (since both Takkar and Kratos use almost the same primitive clothing design now and maybe weapons XD).

Heh, well one is an FPS vs TPS so kinda hard to tell how axe combat matches between the two :p

Well, Kratos must kill all gods. I imagine when Odin will say : "Kratos, you slaughtered my friend Zeus!"

Can greek main god and norse main god be friends?

I've always pictured it for years that the Gods from Norse or Egyptian mythology would've shit their pants to high hell after seeing what Kratos did to the Greek Gods.

Thus they would do their damnest to protect themselves from a similar fate.

So basically they go on a crusade to kill Kratos to cement their positions from a psyche of pure paranoia and fear.
Sure the timelines of mythos don't match but I think something like that could work.

they should not bring back kratos as he died in the last game. also if they are moving away from the greek setting its better to have new characters.

Tbf, we don't know if Kratos died after GoW III.
The bloodstain's lead over a cliff from where he passed out with no body in sight.
 

Simo

Member
Also extremely happy that it looks like SSM is just using David Jaffe's GOW3 story after all, which was much, much cooler than what we actually got. Might be more than just Norse mythology in this game (trilogy?), perhaps Egyptian as well.

Thats actually really cool and from that video it made it sound like Barlog was involved in that idea too, so with him on God of War 4.....
 

Luckydog

Member
Uh...no. There are no unspoken agreements, only the spoken parts. The Gods are NOT your friends, and when Kratos made the deal, the only reason they're 'pulling in the same direction' is because Kratos is obligated to pull in whatever direction Ares pulls. There is no spirit of the contract. Kratos didn't make an alliegance toward any goal except the preservation of his own life in that one battle, and Ares fulfilled it. Everything after that is a blank check for Ares.

Kratos and Ares were not friends or even allies. Kratos willfully sold himself into slavery. He's a slave. His opinions, preferences, hopes, dreams, whatever, none of them matter. Which isn't to say that Ares is a nice guy, but the simple fact of the matter is that there was no betrayal because you cannot betray a slave because you have no obligations to them, while they have every obligation to you. And if Ares decided to trick Kratos, well, that's a dick thing to do, but it's not a betrayal, because Ares doesn't have any obligation to be honest with Kratos.

And, again, I have to clarify, this is not a defense of Ares. He's clearly an asshole. But he's not a traitor to Kratos, which is what Kratos likes to pretend.

Edit: Also the "you protect me and I'll protect you" part doesn't even make any sense. What could Ares possibly need protection from. In the context of the game, Ares is immortal except for the box's powers, and Gods aren't allowed to fight amongst themselves. The titans are dead and in the ground and the Fates were allied with the gods. Who did Kratos think he was going to protect him from? Kratos' job was to bring Ares glory, which just meant killing a bunch of innocent people.

This is just way off base. The idea that there are no unintended "gotchas" in a contact between a god and a mortal is just incorrect and happens in many myths. Once again, if Ares didnt think he was doing anything wrong he would not have had Krato's family there without his Kratos's knowledge. Ares was specifically trying to free Kratos from his earthly attachment to make him a better pawn. He knew this was not in the spirit of their agreement even if it was OK to the letter of the agreement. If Ares didnt think it was wrong, why would he do it under guise? In fact, why would Ares not just kill Krato's family himself? It makes no sense, he hid it for a reason.

And your edit does not make sense. How are you immortal except for? You are either immortal or you are not. The titans are not dead, just being punished. Both of these are threats to Ares. Ares did the bidding of Kratos and expected Kratos to do his bidding.
 
He never acknowledges it if so. The game is always about "I'm angry because of him, or her, or him again". I expect him to take responsibility, and think things out more before he jumps into deals with other dieties. But it's always the same old tired story with him. He gets into some kind of agreement wherein he works for one or the other, but then he does something the boss won't have, and then he views it as a personal betrayal regardless of what justification that the boss had. The severity difference is extreme, but it works on a functional level. This was Kratos' deal, he accepted it full-on, and as upset as he may be, he really only has himself to blame.

So I don't buy that he's angry at himself. Maybe subconciously, if you're willing to be generous to the character, but I don't believe him to be aware that the shit he goes through is his own damn fault.

As for GoW2, Zues is the boss. This was how it was in the original mythology, and how it's depicted in the game. If you're an olympian, he says, you do. If he wanted Kratos to stop his war path, Kratos was obligated to do so by the rule of Olympus which I'm assuming he agreed to when they ascended him. I mean, SURELY the gods wouldn't be so hopelessly stupid to just blindly give the guy godhood without any kind of oaths or anything.

-I can think of this moment

https://youtu.be/p0vDaJa76aU?t=23m54s

implying that he knew that it was also his fault for what happened to his family. The nightmares that he have are also a consequence of his remorse and his guilt.

I agree that it isn't adressed well enough.

-So why didn't he take care of ares in the first place?
 

Veelk

Banned
-So why didn't he take care of ares in the first place? Unless we start creating new rules i don't see how you can explain what happened.
Well, that might be because God of War is a very badly written series. I mean, the "no warring among Gods" rule doesn't even make sense within the first game. Ares violated that rule by attacking Athena's city, which constitutes an act of war. But he didn't suffer any consequences except the gods indirect retaliation of launching Kratos at him. So did they not have a plan for when someone would not follow the rule?

So if they have no higher power they need to answer to and the gods are self governing, and Ares has broken the cardinal rule, then I don't see why they can't just decide to amend their own rule of nonviolence in the name of self defense. It's like they have some kind of incomprehensible rule of pacificism among each other that they refuse to directly violate except for Ares.

In actuality, it's clearly just a clumsy excuse to justify Kratos going on this journey. But whatever. Let's be nice to the series and just assume that there was a difference between beings who are born gods and beings who are made gods. Kratos is the latter and his Godhood can be taken away of he does it of his own will. Which is how zues got his out of him. He maybe couldn't do that with Ares, and had to use a mortal to do his bidding.

Alternatively, maybe Ares just wasn't so hopelessly stupid as to pour his Godhood out of his body at the behest of someone he knows to be his enemy.

Man, this series is dumb.

Edit: I can't view that video right now, but I'm guessing it's the "what have I become scene?" If so, yeah, I agree, but that sequence is almost a nonsequitor. It happens, prompts the flashback, and then Kratos doesn't acknowledge this epiphany again, going back to blaming Ares in the next scene. It's a very wierd part where Kratos for a second does become self aware before going back to being unaware. Is that a purposeful indicated that in some level he does take responsibility, or just a clumsy segway mechanic that isn't fully integrated with the narrative? You decide!
 

Alpende

Member
I've never played a console GoW game so I can't judge the Kratos hate. I always thought he was a cool character. I dig the Norse mythology and wonder how they're gonna fit in a Greek character.
 

Zukkoyaki

Member
I would be astonished if the leaked character model and axe are the final designs.

As for the story scenario, here's my theory:

In Norse mythology, mankind's greatest warriors are taken to Valhalla upon death by the Valkyries where they hone their battle skills and feast until the coming of Ragnarok (the final battle). Maybe, after the end of God of War III, Kratos was sought out by the Valkyries since he was a warrior capable of battling gods themselves in hopes that he can stave off Ragnarok. Why would Kratos go along with this? Maybe in an effort to atone for everything he did (IE: Fucking up the Greek world). And thus the story begins.
 
Thats actually really cool and from that video it made it sound like Barlog was involved in that idea too, so with him on God of War 4.....

We can only hope. Barlog's monotheism story sounds cool too, though might need a little more finesse to pull it off after Athena's identity crisis in GoW3.

End of GoW2: You can't kill Zeus, I must save Olympus! *gets stabbed*

10 minutes later in Gow3: Kill Zeus. Olympus too. Fuck those guys.
 

Veelk

Banned
This is just way off base. The idea that there are no unintended "gotchas" in a contact between a god and a mortal is just incorrect and happens in many myths. Once again, if Ares didnt think he was doing anything wrong he would not have had Krato's family there without his Kratos's knowledge. Ares was specifically trying to free Kratos from his earthly attachment to make him a better pawn. He knew this was not in the spirit of their agreement even if it was OK to the letter of the agreement. If Ares didnt think it was wrong, why would he do it under guise? In fact, why would Ares not just kill Krato's family himself? It makes no sense, he hid it for a reason.

I'm not saying it wasn't a "gotcha" moment. But most gotcha moments is the diety in question intentionally misleading them. That didn't happen. Kratos set the terms of their deal. It was a gotcha moment that Kratos set himself up for, not Ares.

As for why he hid it, it's because he's a dick and he knew Kratos would break his agreement. So what he did was circumvent the whole drama by just making him do so unknowingly. But the point I'm making is that this wasn't a betrayal, because Kratos dig his own grave in this regard and Ares just took advantage of it.

And your edit does not make sense. How are you immortal except for? You are either immortal or you are not. The titans are not dead, just being punished. Both of these are threats to Ares. Ares did the bidding of Kratos and expected Kratos to do his bidding.

You know, there's conditional immortality, which is the "immortal except for". Don't get pointlessly hung up with semantics, you know what I mean. Ares is not a bring who has any significant threats set against him. And Kratos was under the impression that he was a full out and out immortal until Athena told him about the box. And the titans were being punished in fucking tartarus except for Chronos who Kratos also didn't know about until he found him, so they were basically as dead as it gets in GoW.
 
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