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Reddit [verified] User shares NX info: x86 Architecture, Second screen support etc.

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jmizzal

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Ok, this is my first time posting any kind of rumor, leak, or insider information, whatever you want to call it. While I believe the info to be true, things can always change at the last minute and then I look like an asshole who lied. I have more than one source and this post will basically contain things I've heard, conversations I've had with people in the know (other insiders, devs, writers, etc). To make this easier, I think I'll do a tiered rumor ranking, where a T1 (Tier 1) means one source told me this, T2 means two, T3 means three, and T4 means at least four sources or more told me or others the same thing. So T4 rumors have multiple sources and are likely more credible than a T1, but that doesn’t necessarily mean a T1 is false. The bolded parts will be the rumor, the text after it will be additional info mixed with some of my opinion, and the sources thoughts.

Also, while I was writing this short essay I asked my new sources about the May 9th NX reveal date, they said they'd look into it.

Remember, I'm no journalist or english major :p

T4 Rumors
The NX will be more powerful than the PS4. "By a noticeable amount". From the CPU, to GPU, to RAM. Sources don't know the clock speeds, or memory type or amount of memory. But if the CPU is 15-30% stronger than PS4 as alluded to by LCGeek, than the GPU would need to match that bump in order to not bottleneck (Nintendo hates their bottlenecks).

The Wii U Remasters. 100% confirmed Smash Bros 4 will come to NX, no word on if you can play with Wii U players.

Zelda is 100% confirmed and not really big news :p

Now here is where things get interesting. One source said 100% for sure Mario Maker was coming to NX. Another source said 50%. Why 50%? Well, they can confirm it's in development, Nintendo is struggling to transfer over player data and doesn't want all courses to be lost. Hell, courses are being mysteriously deleted on Wii U already lol.

The fourth remaster is Splatoon. This one was given 50% chance from two sources and 99% from one source lol. The reasons again are, Nintendo is struggling to transfer all player data and make it cross-compatible with Wii U players as well. It is in development though. They should have all he DLC included.

So, Zelda and Smash for sure, Mario Maker and Splatoon maybe. If Nintendo can't get it working they may scrap it.

Smash is rumored for launch along with Zelda (day or window wasn’t specified). Not sure on Mario Maker or Splatoon.

What's interesting about this is Splatoon and Mario Maker heavily use touch controls and motion controls. While I certainly expect the NX controller to use gyroscope and accelerometers (since even the DS4, Wii U gamepad, Wii remotes and 3DS use it) this may indicate that there will be a screen in the NX controller. None of my sources indicated troubled development of splatoon and mario maker were controls related, so either it has a screen controller or the second screen support hinted at by the reddit leaker in the OP was right and there will be some kind of optional screen controller or smartglass like features.

T2 Rumors
NDA's are tight as hell. This one is obvious. But I just wanted to add to it. While fellow posters like Rosti have indicated how heavy they are, my own sources and people I don't even know have warned me privately to watch what I post here (this was all within the last couple of hours lol). One source said they know more Nintendo hardware people than software people, yet the only leaks they've been able to get is on the software side. Not a peep from the hardware guys.

I even had people asking what the contents of my post were going to be, if names, job positions, marketing budgets (lol) were going to be posted. A lot of people got very worried, including my sources, the fear of Nintendo is real. They are cracking down. The fake leaks aren't helping either.

As someone who just started snooping for NX info and asking questions out of general curiosity for being a fan, I wasn't expecting this much info over the last two weeks or so. But, now that I am, I want to gain my sources respect and so I didn't want divulge their identity or even reveal their gender. I hope this post has gained their trust, and know that their ID's are safe and sound with me.

T1 Rumors
NX SDK's are out there right now and my sources can confirm dev's have them, so don't worry too much about when you hear stuff like nobody has a dev kit yet.
The NX is easy to port too. This is big because Nintendo consoles have usually been hard to develop or and only mastered by Nintendo's internal teams. Apparently, some dev's are having no trouble porting current gen games over. It's a quick process and dev's seem to be happy about it.

The NX architecture is under NDA but is highly speculated to be x86. I disagreed with them on this but they made some excellent points about how porting from ARM to x86 (handheld to console) and x86 to x86 (current PS4 and XB1 games to NX) is very easy, while it's a bit more tricky to go from x86 to ARM (console to handheld). It certainly matches what the reddit leaker posted.
Based off my high school programming skills and some research, it seems like x86 to ARM does require more work, x86 is 64-bit and ARM is 32-bit. But any decent compiler supports 64-bit math on ARM. The dev's mainly recompile the code into ARM, and then the integer values get changed, and fix any errors that come up, recompile again, see if it works, rinse and repeat. It's not as important or inefficient as people think, especially for larger devs. Besides, ARM is heavily supported and the more worked on architecture. So don't get too focused on if it's x86 or ARM. In the end, as long as it's not shitty PowerPC (Nintendo, please, no) it'll be fine. It won't be the reason Nintendo won't get third party ports, if anything, NX sales will.

One thing that contradicts x86, and this is an indirect source, but a coder who works specifically for Nintendo laughed off GAF's focus on x86 and how we know nothing. Please don’t go looking for them, DetectiveGAF, let them keep their job. So, that, combined with ARM likely being in the handheld, makes me believe the NX will use ARM. But like I said, at the end of the day it doesn't really matter.

Nobody knows anything about the handheld. At least, not any of my sources or their sources. Not even sure if NX refers to the handheld as well or if that has a different codename. It's speculated that it will still get some exclusive games, but won't get many console games downported (referring to the shared games library) while the console could theoretically play them all (maybe lending support to x86 and ARM inside the NX, having the handheld guts inside, but that sounds very expensive and I doubt it). The console seems to be the main focus of Nintendo right now and the New 3DS, along with the 2016 lineup of 3DS, has afforded them that luxury.

I hope you enjoy this post and it provides lots of healthy discussion. I told you it wasn't major news, but you got hyped anyways. It's my first time doing this and it was fun, and sorry if it took awhile but verification and clarity were important to me.

Remember, grain of salt.

Come at me, Nintendo.

Good stuff, ok if Mario Maker and Splatoon is going to connect with WiiU players they make more sense too me as ports
 

Donnie

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To be fair, we didn't know where the GPU and RAM sat comparative to the PS4/XB1.

We still don't, he says his sources don't know how much or what kind of RAM is used so how can they know its better than XBoxOne or PS4? Also the GPU being more powerful is written as if its speculation based on LCGeek's info about the CPU (?)
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
10k said:
The NX will be more powerful than the PS4. "By a noticeable amount".

Somebody post that cat "heavy breathing" gif, because that's what is happening on my end of the computer.
 

bomblord1

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I mentioned some of what you bolded above. ARM isn't all 32 bit, 32 bit ARM would imply an older architecture.

But it sounded like that's just his guess as to why it's harder to port x86 to ARM, there are other reasons I also highlighted.

I'm 100% positive now that the entire system is going to be arm based for handheld connectivity.
 
Rankings are server-side for Splatoon and they greatly affect online play. Also its a question of back-end, with Smash being Bamco back-end while Splatoon is Nintendo.

Its also possible that Nintendo's not interested in cross-compatible Smash.

Smash has rankings too. In fact, any game with matchmaking has rankings. Splatoons are just more visible than others. And them wanting to keep Splatoon's userbase and not Smash? It just doesn't make sense
 

-Horizon-

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Guess since Splatoon is the newest console seller, Nintendo thought it would be in their best interest to put the game on the NX to help kick things off. Though with what I'm reading from 10k about nintendo struggling to get data to cross over, makes me think that either:
a. nintendo will delay it and it won't be there at launch (but still in launch year)
or b. nintendo will just say screw it and hope people migrate and make new inkling profiles on the NX
 
If NX players can play with WiiU players online we can assume Nintendo's online performance is still hot garbage.

Smh, the netcode stinks something fierce.
 

LordOfChaos

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I said it wasn't major. And the ARM 64-bit was a mistake. I researched an old article from before ARM v8. My point stands that architecture is largely irrelevant.

Ok, thanks. That part just stuck out at me.

I agree ISA isn't as big a deal as people think, you can build a big core around the ARM or x86 ISAs just the same, in fact x86 tends to take more R&D to keep feeding.

That Reddit thread, people kept arguing that you couldn't make an ARM console as powerful as the PS4, lol. The A72 is already ahead of Jaguar in some ways, it at least trades blows. It's just a matter of building a similar SoC around it with high wattage.
 

Saoshyant

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That they are focusing entirely on a console right now is surprising to me. Grain of salt, of course, but while strange it would explain other rumors. It's pretty interesting if true: Nintendo preferring to go toe on toe against the PS4 with its established over 30 million user base instead of redoubling its efforts on the mobile space to take what market they can from the aging 3DS and Vita. I appreciate having that insight, though, so thanks 10k!
 

Kouriozan

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Guess since Splatoon is the newest console seller, Nintendo thought it would be in their best interest to put the game on the NX to help kick things off. Though with what I'm reading from 10k about nintendo struggling to get data to cross over, makes me think that either:
a. nintendo will delay it and it won't be there at launch (but still in launch year)
or b. nintendo will just say screw it and hope people migrate and make new inkling profiles on the NX
I think this have to do with migrating the servers data to DeNA's online infrastructure.
 
Hopefully folks are reasonably happy with this potential news. Noticeably more powerful than vanilla PS4 with the best first party ports coming and potential cross-platform play between NX and Wii U sounds fantastic. If they can deliver this thing at $299 I think it'll do well.
 
That they are focusing entirely on a console right now is surprising to me. Grain of salt, of course, but while strange it would explain other rumors. It's pretty interesting if true: Nintendo preferring to go toe on toe against the PS4 with its established over 30 million user base instead of redoubling its efforts on the mobile space to take what market they can from the aging 3DS and Vita. I appreciate having that insight, though, so thanks 10k!

Nintendo will never fully dedicate themselves to mobile. They've said this numerous times. Plus they already have 6 mobile games coming out in the next year (I might have the number slightly wrong)
 

-Horizon-

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Noticeable amount over PS4 = weaker than PS4k

oh well

I'll check it out at E3 if it's there

lol at least wait till we see how many additional chest hairs drake gets in Uncharted 4K edition before drawing the comparison to where the NX stands
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Noticeable amount over PS4 = weaker than PS4k

oh well

I'll check it out at E3 if it's there

LOL what?
NateDrake said:
I'm willing to confirm the Wii U port titles. Those 4 are what I've been told.

YES. Splatoon at launch with updated graphics would be insane.
 

Griss

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Man, I've been waiting for a new handheld for years, still happy with my Wii U, and now all signs are pointing to it being a Wii U replacement, and maybe not even the shared library we've all been hoping for. (Though to be honest, I always thought it would be utterly un-Nintendo to have cross-buy in any way shape or form.)
 
Her account is protected mang.

Shoot, sorry, I forgot!

She says:

The following Wii U ports in development for NX: Zelda, Smash Bros, Mario Maker, Splatoon. But...and yes there's a "But"...(read next tweet)
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Emily Rogers ‏@ArcadeGirl64 2m2 minutes ago

Just because something is in development doesn't mean it'll be released. So either all four of these ports will come...or only two of them.
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Emily Rogers ‏@ArcadeGirl64 37s37 seconds ago

I spoke with at least 10 people regarding these four ports. Splatoon is up in the air. Zelda / Smash Bros sound like guarantees.

...basically backing up 10k pretty strongly.
 
Oh hey, here it is! The T4 stuff seems exciting, hoping that it pans out, even if PS4K's rumored 2x increase in at least GPU power puts it above this rumored version of the NX, it'd at least be a return to roughly the same situation as in the 6th gen, and Nintendo will finally have a chance to get multi-platform titles again!

I get a bunch of them from anime, doujins, stuff like that. I don't really care much about people recognizing me because the people I'm friends with can usually remember my username at least...hopefully lol.

My avatar right now is Erina Nakiri from Shokugeki no Souma (Food Wars), its a manga and anime.

Ok cool. I've heard of Shokugeki no Souma, but haven't checked it out yet, I take it that it's a good show?
 

RAWi

Member
Ok so,

- More powerful than PS4
- Wii U Ports > Zelda U / Smash U / Mario Maker / Splatoon
- Devs have devkits
- Controller with screen may come back in some way. I say, that we will have two controller options, like Wii U Gamepad and Pro Controller.
 

Doctre81

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Well at least they heard multiple reports of NX being more powerful. Imagine if T4 tier was hearsay of it being less powerful than xbox one...
 
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