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Emily Rogers: NX Not Using x86 Architecture - Won't Blow Away Current Gen Consoles
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LightOfTruth
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This basically confirms some kind of gimmick. If its not even as powerful as a standard PS4 then Nintendo will have something to compensate for it.
Do you have any links to that correction? I'm looking at her twitter feed and not seeing anything.
Hold your horses, it isn't confirmed.
Already Torn
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What if PS4 gets a price cut after Neo releases and ends up being cheaper than the NX despite being more powerful and having a much larger library?
Peterthumpa
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I'll wait for the reveal and for the graphics that we will get from the console. 1080p is still the standard, if Nintendo is able to deliver great looking games at 1080p, AND if they have the right tools for the developers for easy porting, then who cares?
Also, games for PS4/Xbox One will still be developed with the lowest spec console in mind. Neo is not a completely new platform. Nintendo is going head to head this time, it isn't the abyss that was Wii U vs the current gen systems.
……forgetit
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If this is true, then yeah, basically. If it's not using x86 I expect ARM, and if it's not using either then Nintendo is literally crazy.
A system like that wouldn't even blow the Wii U away.
Wii U used Power PC. It's no longer even viable to go that route as it's become more and more antiquated. x86 and ARM is currently the only direction to go. Nintendo is going ARM which is littlest possible effort to port to as every engine supports it.
ARM also scales up and down better than x86 so it makes sense. And Handhelds have been using ARM CPUs for decades.
What about when Sony and MS will come out with new consoles? NX will get no support then just like Wii U didn't when Developers will get PS5 and Xbox Two dev kits. IF anything this news confirm that Nintendo is not going going head to head but doing there own thing.
Kingpin Rogers
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Why are people treating this as fact? Sometimes it feels like people just want to believe the bad news and disregard anything good.
Hopefully this isn't true as even though the games will still probably look great I'd rather have them look even better using even more powerful hardware.
Hopefully this isn't true as even though the games will still probably look great I'd rather have them look even better using even more powerful hardware.
Already Torn
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Well, it's a rumor.
Is that because they're adjusting things like power consumption and heat and some other important factors im not aware of?
Peterthumpa
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That won't be happening in at least 3 - 4 years, I believe. Enough time for Nintendo to rebuild their user base with the right choices. Also, with iterative consoles being the norm, Nintendo could just release a NX4K and call it a day.
It's Emily Rogers. Proven track record.
Schnozberry
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Emily's rumors aren't even the interesting ones. In the previous thread that got shut down, there was a post from SemiAccurate.com that had fairly solid sourcing that stated Nintendo is going with Nvidia Tegra for the handheld. No specifics were noted for the home console, but ARM + Nvidia would make sense there as well.
Not really. ARM is supported by pretty much every major engine (except maybe Frostbite).
Well that shoots out decent third party support.....okay, that isn't a fair case to make as it could be like the Wii with great original games from third parties but still, not great news to hear :l.
More interested in the specs of the handheld though and based on that other thread running, it should be interesting to see games running on that in the future
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More interested in the specs of the handheld though and based on that other thread running, it should be interesting to see games running on that in the future
.The Tegra X1 is supposed to scale up to 1 TFLOP, which would be a bit below the XB1: http://www.gsmarena.com/nvidia_announces_tegra_x1_with_1_teraflop_performance-news-10643.php
Mind it's also NVIDIA FLOPs instead of AMD's.
It's also a very modern chipset: https://shield.nvidia.com/blog/tegra-x1-processor-and-shield
I think it would fit, especially if the home console version is plugged into a wall socket and doesn't have to worry about power consumption. You could put fans on it if you needed to.
Because you can't compare completely different architectures of CPU and GPU and the relative example can be far from a real world one. Changes can and usually do occur before finalization as well.
Nothing really i guess. I'm treating it as a rumor and not even going to get into the fights that might pop up as this thread goes on. I'm just more excited by the handheld rumor.
IIRC, Nintendo has a development environment that's very different from what most developers are used to, and I want to say that someone on here mentioned once that it's actually more comparable to non-gaming business sectors like medical equipment.
It's really been more of an issue with the tools and support that Nintendo provides, rather than the architecture being the root cause.
She specifically says "raw power" though, and "modern custom chip". So, i wouldn't rule out real-world PS4-like performance or better?
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It takes a while to type "If this unconfirmed rumor ends up being accurate" in every sentence.
That can be one factor. The other depends on the kits the "sources" have at the time as they could be an older version lacking updates and such. I don't place much stock in rumors for power levels.
GCN was weaker than every system during the gen because Nintendo gave real world performance figures. In "raw power" the Xbox was said to handle 100 million polygons per second, and the PS2 was around 60 million. Nintendo figures for GCN was something like 6-12 million polygons a second. GCN was much stronger than a PS2 in the end.
abstract alien
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Who knows what it will be, but if I had to guess, it will not be normal. I can't remember the last time Nintendo made something normal. GameCube? That's normal for Nintendo, I guess.
Didn't we go through the same cycle of hype and despair over Wii U's stats? I had a feeling that Nintendo wasn't going to be going all out in the Console specs war. They've always strived to have affordable machines, and after the Wii U's reception at $350, I don't see the NX going higher than $300 (and probably with a pack-in at that price).
None of EA's mobile games runs on Frostbite, do they? I would think that PopCap would have some knowledge of whether or not it's viable.
Bigrx1
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Yep, this
Schnozberry
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Modern doesn't mean more powerful as much as it means efficient. cool and quiet. If Nintendo is going with Nvidia, you can't do an Apples to Apples comparison in terms of FLOPS, so it's possible the Nintendo console looks closer to the XB1 on paper and "punches above its weight" so to speak.
ARM scales up better than x86 scales down. And if Nintendo is going the shared platform route, ARM makes the most sense.
Bony Manifesto
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So, secret sauce then?
Well, Frostbite Go supports ARM
I'm sure they could get it running NX if they wanted, and the rumor is they've had dev kits for a while.
LiquidSolid
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As if there was any real chance anyway. Nintendo somehow managing to attract the same kind of third party support as Microsoft and Sony has always been a pipe dream.
This news is what I was expecting and hoping to hear. Instead of trying to re-enter a market Nintendo abandoned a long time ago, they need to play it smart and focus on what they're good at.
ViewtifulJC
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So NX is a hybrid?
Thanks for the heads-up.
She needs to learn how to phrase, but people should learn how to read. Raw power and real world performances are two different things.
This article is basically a truckload of nothing, except for the part about not being x86. Which, considering it likely means ARM, is a good news in case anyone is still wondering. And for a variety of reasons (better performances than jaguar, better perf/watts, same architecture and OS as the portable makes cross development easier, a larger number of vendors for the architecture vs intel and amd only, etc).
Not in the "single device that you can plug into your TV" sense, but rather the "two devices that share most of their games" sense.
Schnozberry
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No, not at all. AMD and Nvidia just operate differently, and you can't compare their FLOPS numbers directly because it isn't a very good indicator of their respective real world performance.
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