d00d3n
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Core i7-6950X (Broadwell-E) to be first Intel consumer CPU with 10 cores (rumor)
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Yeah, I thought so. Thanks!
GOTDAYUM! I thought the 6900K was going to be it for me but... I don't know now. The 6950X is what I thought the 6900K would be at. This is out of control.
I believe I mentioned that, it isn't a benchmark either, it is a stress test. But it is good to find the absolute limits and even then those are very good tests of stability. They'll let you know fairly quickly if your OC is unstable.
Poot Poot Splash
Member
Holy tits thats expensive! Just got the x99 strix motherboard and was waiting for the broadwell-e. Looks like i' going for the 6850K
That price premium going from 8 to 10 cores is nuts - especially considering the lower clock speed.
Gemüsepizza
Member
Idk, those are such weird CPUs for gaming.
The 6800K makes no sense imo. It's missing the 40 PCIe lanes. A 6700K is very likely faster in games. Higher clock speed and higher IPC.
The 6850K seems to be the best CPU out of those for gaming - if you want to use SLI / Crossfire. But if not, the 6700K is probably still faster.
The other 2 don't seem attractive at all. Low base clock (which means you have to overclock them by a lot), extremely high prices and games do not make use of those additional cores. Seems like a waste for gaming.
I also don't get why Intel thinks it is acceptable to have a last-gen architecture for their high-end CPUs. They have even removed the L4 Cache which was on the normal Broadwell, smh. They really need competition. The only reason to buy one of those CPUs imo is SLI/CF. But with the current state of SLI, with no DX12 support in sight, with big engines like UE4 not supporting SLI, and many companies not caring about SLI - it seems like a waste. I think it's much wiser to just buy the 6700K and overclock it. You save a lot of money which you can invest in a better GPU. And it's probably the fastest CPU when gaming with a single GPU.
The 6800K makes no sense imo. It's missing the 40 PCIe lanes. A 6700K is very likely faster in games. Higher clock speed and higher IPC.
The 6850K seems to be the best CPU out of those for gaming - if you want to use SLI / Crossfire. But if not, the 6700K is probably still faster.
The other 2 don't seem attractive at all. Low base clock (which means you have to overclock them by a lot), extremely high prices and games do not make use of those additional cores. Seems like a waste for gaming.
I also don't get why Intel thinks it is acceptable to have a last-gen architecture for their high-end CPUs. They have even removed the L4 Cache which was on the normal Broadwell, smh. They really need competition. The only reason to buy one of those CPUs imo is SLI/CF. But with the current state of SLI, with no DX12 support in sight, with big engines like UE4 not supporting SLI, and many companies not caring about SLI - it seems like a waste. I think it's much wiser to just buy the 6700K and overclock it. You save a lot of money which you can invest in a better GPU. And it's probably the fastest CPU when gaming with a single GPU.
Same here man. No way am i'm spending 1000+ for a CPU. I was really hoping the 8 core would have been cheaper. Would have been great to have for VM test environments for my job.
Horsemama1956
Member
I think it is easier to OC a HEDT than Xeon.
Ya we can understand if it is new architecture like Skylake with IPC improvements, but this is a shrunk Haswell.
I wonder how Zen developing is coming along.
You don't want these CPUs so you can game better. You want them so you can multitask the fuck out of everything WHILE gaming.
Also I'm still pretty bitter when I asked about building my "Titan X" computer I was persuaded to go down from a 5820k to a 4970k. >:\
ALLseeingEYE
Member
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I'm surprised you are excited about this in a sense.
considering that you are a programmer, I assumed that you would be less enthusiastic about something with an excessive amount of cores, since we both know the vast majority of developers won't use them efficiently.
Wowfunhappy
Member
Sigh.
I really want higher single core performance, mainly for emulation, but I guess it's never going to happen.
I really want higher single core performance, mainly for emulation, but I guess it's never going to happen.
opticalmace
Member
Higher than what?
Compiler can use the cores that you give it
For gamers though... well hope you like Ubisoft and DICE games a lot!
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
Did you see this thread?
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1180545
Hard to say what it's referring to specifically, consumer CPUs might have a some improvements left for a few generations, but the outlook is power consumption/efficiency > performance.
Finaika
Member
5GHz
chaosblade
Unconfirmed Member
I'm not super familiar with the intricacies of CPUs, but I think it's a lot more difficult to scale raw Hz from a design and TDP standpoint than it is to improve IPC and add cores. Which is why we've seen a focus on IPC and cores while raw clockspeed hasn't changed much for the better part of a decade.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Fuck!
I was really waiting for this trying to mentally prepare myself to spend 1k for a CPU but this is way too much. I feel I'm going to need alcohol to make this buy
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
Programmers like many cores. It's the nature of some problems that is counter-SMP.
Apropos, intel are indeed trying to give 6800 a bad name.
Aztechnology
Member
Jesus. I'm glad I got the 5820k at $300. Such a steal compared to these prices.
MR ARCADE FOREVER
Member
Me too I got it for $300 at Micro center. Should be all set for a while thought
darkinstinct
...lacks reading comprehension.
Gemüsepizza;204869538 said:
Anything above 6 cores is pretty much wasted money for DX12 gaming. Most games max out at four cores. The time when you would actually be able to use 8 or 10 cores for the average game is a time when those CPUs will be 75 % cheaper.
Yeah, and 5820k still seems like the best buy. Only ~2.5% improvement in performance/clock on Broadwell-E, and worse OC potential.
dr_rus
Member
Well, BWE consume a little bit less which transfers to less heat overall. But otherwise it's pretty lackluster although it's not surprising as basically every CPU update since Haswell launch was like this.
I'm kinda torn on the need for 40 PCIE lanes as otherwise there is no reason to get 6850 over 6800 for that price delta. Will wait for local prices.
Reviews:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/core-i7-6950x-6900k-6850k-and-6800k-processor-review,1.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10337...x-6900k-6850k-and-6800k-tested-up-to-10-cores
I'm kinda torn on the need for 40 PCIE lanes as otherwise there is no reason to get 6850 over 6800 for that price delta. Will wait for local prices.
Reviews:
http://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/core-i7-6950x-6900k-6850k-and-6800k-processor-review,1.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10337...x-6900k-6850k-and-6800k-tested-up-to-10-cores
Pagusas
Elden Member
so these bring back quad-channel memory support? Ugh, I was planning on going Micro-atx for the next build and keeping only 2-dimms, as if i recall the 6700k was dual channel only and had assumed all future intel processors would stay that way.
Now I need to rethink this if I'm going to need 4 dimms to get full bandwith, I dont know of any 4 dim microatx boards.
Now I need to rethink this if I'm going to need 4 dimms to get full bandwith, I dont know of any 4 dim microatx boards.
Thanks AMD.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the best case scenario for AMD right now is that Zen is competitive with Skylake i5/7 so I dont think they will be in any sort of fight in the Broadwell-E space.
Just the switch to an i7 can benefit you a bit in some games, but with both using around the same clock the gains won't be very big in most games.
I kinda want to take the step up to a 6+ core, but the gains over my i7 4770K@4.4ghz just isn't worth it even if I would benefit a bit when rendering videos.
Quad channel has been available since Sandy Bridge-E and they naver took that away in HEDT CPUs. The more consumer oriented i7s (like the mentioned 6700k) are still dual channel only.
Bony Manifesto
Member
These are enthusiast/high-end Broadwell-E CPUs, and are not a part of the consumer-level Skylake line (although the naming does make it confusing).
Dalibor_San
Member
Best Investment I made, this also sealed me in with a single GPU and I could not be happier,SLI was driving me crazy with most games lacking support.
What was your max OC on the 5820K Durante? I got mine at 4.3GHZ and I'm quite satisfied with it, I was going to replace it with the 8 core Broadwell-E, however no way I'm paying a grand for a cpu.
qa_engineer
Member
as a 5820K owner the 10-15% IPC improvement is not worth the upgrade, at least at 6800 and 6850K level. I can see my CPU lasting for another 3-4 years no problem.
They are physical and electronic communication lanes used by peripherals to communicate to CPU, North bridge, Memory, and other components. The more lanes you have the more theoretical bandwidth your system can support.
For example: A single GPU on PCIE will typically be allotted 16x pcie express lanes. On a 5820K moving to a dual GPU solution will result in each GPU being allotted 8x lanes each. On a 6850K, which has 40 PCIE lanes, a dual GPU solution will have 16x per GPU. This should in theory provide higher bandwidth but there has not been any real evidence to suggest one is faster than the other.
Tl;DR if you plan on running more that 3 GPUs and want the best performance money can buy get a CPU with support for 40 lanes. If you plan on running a single or dual gpu and want excellent performance at more reaonable prices go for 28 lanes.
They are physical and electronic communication lanes used by peripherals to communicate to CPU, North bridge, Memory, and other components. The more lanes you have the more theoretical bandwidth your system can support.
For example: A single GPU on PCIE will typically be allotted 16x pcie express lanes. On a 5820K moving to a dual GPU solution will result in each GPU being allotted 8x lanes each. On a 6850K, which has 40 PCIE lanes, a dual GPU solution will have 16x per GPU. This should in theory provide higher bandwidth but there has not been any real evidence to suggest one is faster than the other.
Tl;DR if you plan on running more that 3 GPUs and want the best performance money can buy get a CPU with support for 40 lanes. If you plan on running a single or dual gpu and want excellent performance at more reaonable prices go for 28 lanes.
The first Zen CPUs due out in October will include an 8C/16T chip, and with reported IPC around Ivy Bridge levels that would put them in the ballpark of Broadwell-E. Not the 6950X or course, and probably not the 6900K either, but if they can put out something competitive with Intel's 6-core offerings at a cheap price on a consumer socket (i.e. much cheaper motherboards) then they may be able to scrape back a bit of marketshare.
Unless you have lots of PCI-E devices go for the cheaper one. Also, consider a Skylake CPU.
Yautja_Warrior
Member
Well, as expected the i7-6950X is a very powerful CPU but totally overkill for standard usage and gaming, very nice if you have cash to burn though.