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Final Fantasy XII Devs Considering a New Game Using the Gambit System
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WhoaIsThatMars
Member
Video games, everything is considered
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
The system is fine. But the gameplay needs to encourage strategically using it.
You can get through most of FFXII with a simple HURR DURR setup of
1: Heal if below 50% health
2: Attack enemy
Boom, you beat FFXII. Not the hunts or a couple bosses mind you, but you beat it.
You can get through most of FFXII with a simple HURR DURR setup of
1: Heal if below 50% health
2: Attack enemy
Boom, you beat FFXII. Not the hunts or a couple bosses mind you, but you beat it.
Sounds like FF.
Rabid Dwarf 76
Member
Please! Please! I want! I need! I crave!!!
SpiceMelange
Member
The only thing wrong with gambits was having to purchase them as you progressed through the game. Dragon Age Origins did this right by providing everything right off the bat. It would have been annoying to wait to get the proper trigger action gambit in DAO for my tank to shield bash dudes. Also they need to decouple something. I don't quite remember gambits but IIRC something was strangely coupled together, like the target and condition or target and action maybe? Or was it the target of the condition was implicitly the target of the action?
jimmypython
Member
I really want to know what is Ito doing now....
"supervisor" is not a real job....
"supervisor" is not a real job....
LiveFromKyoto
Member
I'm down. It was such an elegant solution once you figure it out, I wish it had become more broadly adopted. It was better than any of the similar solutions Bioware came up with imo.
Vincent Grayson
Member
Yes please! Gambits were cool as shit.
Now make another FF in the same general vein and let us have say, 5 party members again.
Now make another FF in the same general vein and let us have say, 5 party members again.
FF12 International gives you access to all of the gambits from the start, so you'll be able to see how that affects the game in the remaster.
magnificenz
Member
I would love this! Even if its not in the name of 'Final Fantasy'. I really like the battle system of FF12.
This doesn't work against the high level marks.
Vincent Grayson
Member
It doesn't work against any bosses after the first couple, either. It's a shitty post and safe to ignore.
XII is easily one of the tougher FF titles, and while gambits are a cool addition that make automating the boring decisions (weak against fire? Of course I'm using fire) easy so that you can focus on other things, like which buffs and debuffs to use, timing quickenings, etc., it certainly doesn't remove the challenge.
Ghost Slayer
Member
Can you do a technical preview?
Cindi Mayweather
Member
Sweet Jesus I cannot contain my adoration for this OP or this interview.
I will play anything with similarities to FFXII. I didn't really use gambits for much outside of defining targets for people to attack, and keeping buffs on automatically. I would make some very situational things for certain fights and I appreciate the ability to do that so I can spend less time in menus while in battles.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
I disagree. I think the game could have benefited from more complex, dangerous enemies. You'd get a bad status effect here and there but it was pretty smooth sailing.
I didn't use a black mage, but yeah I would assume you'd use more gambits for one if you wanted to automate that character just by virtue of how elements work.
Spring Drive
Banned
Why changing it if it works?
Not at all. The image quality is quite crisp, though I was playing on a shit TV. The environment textures appear rather low-res but they use an upscaling technique (perhaps similar to Okami HD) which gives them a painted look. It's really not bad.does it look as blurry as some of the early screenshots suggest
It's the characters that really shine, though. They're aren't especially complex, but they still manage to look rather modern. Lots of nice depth of field effects in there as well.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to capture anything from it so I'm not sure I can do much with it right now.
Shitty off-screen cell phone shot
timetokill
Banned
Gambit system was the best thing to happen to FF in a long, long time
The gambit system technically exists in Final Fantasy XIV, albeit only for enemy AI and not player use. The devs used a version of it to program the AI of the regular non-boss enemies in the game. They have teased the possibility of letting players use it to program the actions of an NPC companion before, but nothing has come of that yet.
This needs to happen.
Did you get to play FFXV as well by any chance? Wondering what your thoughts are on performance and image quality of the build.
Did you get to play FFXV as well by any chance? Wondering what your thoughts are on performance and image quality of the build.
KyanMehwulfe
Member
That'd be great... I'm a rather big fan of Gambits in FF XII, though I use a lot of self-enforced rules to make up for the poor difficulty and balance.
I enjoy Gambits in a sort of 'battlefield manager' sense:
You design your environmental tactics (e.g. how to attack or defense) but also strategy (e.g. how to sustain resources or react to outlier variables), and then watch it unfold within a broader environment. It's less micro- focussed on each attack or fight, but more macro- how the combat is just one part of your adventure through an environment.
It lets you appreciate the forest, rather than spamming 'attack' for every tree.
And part of the appeal of automation is sort of like watching a well-oiled city in The Settlers or even an Overwatch triggering in XCOM (but on a macro scale obviously). Once you're actually engaged in combat, the automation allows you to appreciate your tactics and strategy unfold, and also to better appreciate and focus on the broader adventure and journey.
There was always a simple enjoyment I found in just watching the combat and gazing at the environment.
I enjoy Gambits in a sort of 'battlefield manager' sense:
You design your environmental tactics (e.g. how to attack or defense) but also strategy (e.g. how to sustain resources or react to outlier variables), and then watch it unfold within a broader environment. It's less micro- focussed on each attack or fight, but more macro- how the combat is just one part of your adventure through an environment.
It lets you appreciate the forest, rather than spamming 'attack' for every tree.
And part of the appeal of automation is sort of like watching a well-oiled city in The Settlers or even an Overwatch triggering in XCOM (but on a macro scale obviously). Once you're actually engaged in combat, the automation allows you to appreciate your tactics and strategy unfold, and also to better appreciate and focus on the broader adventure and journey.
There was always a simple enjoyment I found in just watching the combat and gazing at the environment.
Just a tad on Xbox One. The resolution was still very low, as expected, but the part of the demo I played was running very consistently at 30fps with no frame-pacing issues. Definitely a big step up from the demos we've received for download in terms of performance.
Interesting. Thanks! Was expecting notable dips with all of those effects on screen with Titan.
Yabberwocky
Member
The Gambit System one of my favourite systems by far, and meant that FFXII is one of the most enjoyable FF for me gameplay wise. I can leave it on auto-pilot for the filler enemies, and then get more interactive for tougher enemies and bosses. I'm always a bit baffled about people complaining about this, as manually slogging through random, tedious and repetitive battles over and over again with low level filler enemies has always been on the dullest elements in the FF series, as with a lot of JRPGs. Seriously, why isn't the Earthbound enemy/levelling system implemented in every RPG?!
Ahem. I loved that DA:O and DA2 also used a similar system, and it's depressing how much it was gutted for DA:I. Hopefully the next Dragon Age game is return to form.
So jealous! That's fantastic to know, thank you!
Ahem. I loved that DA:O and DA2 also used a similar system, and it's depressing how much it was gutted for DA:I. Hopefully the next Dragon Age game is return to form.
So jealous! That's fantastic to know, thank you!
Yes please!! What I'm curious about is if they try to decouple the Gambit system from the combat system... To me, they go hand in hand and I couldn't imagine how they would use Gambits while going back to a traditional ATB-esque combat system. I'll take it either way though
Even if this were true, it would sap all the fun out of the experience if you did it this way. Getting a huge set of Gambits fine tuned and doing exactly what you would do in a given situation but without you actually having to do it felt so dang satisfying, I loved it. I always thought it felt like writing a bunch of code and compiling it and having it actually work how you intended. So good.
Sub_Level
wants to fuck an Asian grill.
The section I played was on the way to the Titan as I only had a short time.
I did watch some of the PS4 version being played and it looked quite smooth as well.
I'm starting to feel confident that the performance will be taken care of by launch.