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Bar MAFIA |OT| There's Gonna Be Shots
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Lone_Prodigy
Member
Reading the last hour of yesterday's votes.
Top vote-getters were two confirmed town and one claimed tracker (Exo, Ouro, TTK).
Dusk had 3 D1 votes but wasn't a factor in D2.
Top vote-getters were two confirmed town and one claimed tracker (Exo, Ouro, TTK).
Dusk had 3 D1 votes but wasn't a factor in D2.
Shouldn't that "delivery" show up in TTK's tracking, though? I think we may have some discrepancy here.
timetokill
Banned
That discrepancy is what I'm talking about. She keeps making claims about things she's doing at night but it's sure not showing up to me. Obviously that's as far as my proof can go, but while I guess she COULD be town and making up an elaborate lie, I really, really doubt it.
Hmmmm....so then it becomes a question of if we trust you or WAMD. I lean you because of WAMD's convoluted role and the fact that she hasn't provided us any information yet. But we really need her in her to go over what she was up to last night.
Is it possible that your report was blocked somehow? Seems unlikely to happen two nights in a role.
Is it possible that your report was blocked somehow? Seems unlikely to happen two nights in a role.
timetokill
Banned
Yeah that's why I checked twice. I figured once could be a coincidence, but twice...
I would think it would. Usually trackers can spot any action, so I'd think anything that requires messaging a mod (I'm guessing that's how WAMD performs her action) would show up.
I'm wondering if the best course of action isn't to lynch WMD and then see if TTK is lying or not. I know a lot of us were already suspicious of her after that claim, and with the way things have been going I can't see us getting any really concrete or helpful information even if she is telling the truth about her role.
Right from the start of the second day. Ttk now knows that dragonz did not move during the night.
This begins the "imma prove much" line of thought that will repeat itself throughout the day. The proof never shows itself.
Where does the confidence come from?
Awww yeah I'm gonna get in on this whale action
"I have a present for all of you."
"I know much."
Again, such confidence, even though you have nothing but theories and possibilities, nothing concrete to contradict dragonz.
Are you?
One of the issues I see is that your info does not match your enthusiasm. You go far and beyond to try to save your life, implying that you will have something for us. Yet, as night one should've told you, there was no guarantee that you'd get more than this possibility of yours.
I should mention that I am not defending dragonz, but merely showing a contradiction I see. My own opinion is that dragonz needs to prove herself beyond the claim she has given. We need concrete things from her, just like we need them from ttk.
The biggest issue though is that you stayed silent. Why? Per dragonz's claim: "There are multiple ways to complete said task; I was given a handful of available actions to take and can be used at my choosing." What I get from this is that she does have commands to use. You should see them. You did not see them. And even at the end of the day, when you are about to get lynched, you do not reveal the fact that you know that there is something wrong with dragonz. You would have preferred to let the knowledge die with you. You try to get her lynched for two days and you never think of revealing this fact?
Hyperactivity
Banned
I'm wondering why ttk didn't reveal yesterday, that's the main issue for me here. However, I would say that had ttk died and been shown to be a tracker, I think we could have figured his night 1 results out
My gut tells me to go with ttk's claim over WAMD's, but the way I reasoned WAMD to probably maybe be town (complexity of claim), vs ttk's claim working almost too well, bothers me.
On the other hand, I'm not sure if the scum team would have planned for this (in case of scum ttk), as he then dies tonight or tomorrow. His vote also gives us an ample suspect list to look at.
And WAMD's claim being convoluted may also be a result of her having the night to formulate a role for her "spy" claim, but at the same time, just the name claim of spy is so... different that she either would have had a pre-planned claim with it, or she claimed her actual scum role (which, in case of scum WAMD, is the most likely possibility)
I'll wait, for now, on WAMD's post. Also, I'd like full details about the last two nights and her role, no more vague bullshit town leaves alone.
Barrylocke
Member
I'm going to try to get some reading in here before I go to my event for the evening, but I should say that I apparently received a fake ID last night. I have no idea what this actually means
timetokill
Banned
I was confident, but I didn't want to expose myself too much because I was hoping she'd keep digging the hole deeper. So in response to kyan, I figured that if I died you guys would piece together who killed me and why. There was no need to be explicit in that case, and in fact I was trying to not be explicit so that she didn't change her story around and make up something to get around my specific ability.
And obviously I was going "far and beyond" to save my life, it's my life man! But I feel like I've given as much "concrete" evidence as you can in a game like this, where so much info is hidden. Even Crab's ability to "show" whether somebody is town or not requires us to believe him. Ultimately you have to trust somebody. I think if you look at my history it's clear that I'm town. I even held off voting for Ouro until the last second, and only switched because I needed to save my life.
And obviously I was going "far and beyond" to save my life, it's my life man! But I feel like I've given as much "concrete" evidence as you can in a game like this, where so much info is hidden. Even Crab's ability to "show" whether somebody is town or not requires us to believe him. Ultimately you have to trust somebody. I think if you look at my history it's clear that I'm town. I even held off voting for Ouro until the last second, and only switched because I needed to save my life.
You did not tell the info because you thought it did not matter and we would find it out anyway. Then you use the same info you considered meaningless as a bargaining chip at the end of day two to save your life. Just how exactly were we going to connect your death with your killer, I wonder?
Lone_Prodigy
Member
What are your thoughts on TTK's claim?
OK, well, I'm going to vote.
VOTE: WhereAreMahDragonz
My reasoning:
1) Suspect from the beginning for many people with some suspicious behavior on D1
2) Claimed PR halfway through D1. Very complex and with no real way for us to prove she is telling the truth by being vague.
3) No information from said PR (not even non-useful information: literally we've got nothing from it)
4) Keeps saying she will come in and post and explanation on what's going on, but that amounts to "I'm busy, will explain everything later" (seems like a delay tactic while she comes up with good excuses)
5) TTK's role reveal and information seemingly invalidates WAMD's role and power. Now it's a game of who we believe more.
I'd like for her to explain what actions she performed last night and what information (if any) that yielded. It's disconcerting that she has claimed but we have gotten seemingly no new information from her role or explanation from her since she avoided getting lynched on D1.
I'm also suspect of TTK's claim, but at the very least he is active in the discussion at the moment. We really need to hear from WAMD.
VOTE: WhereAreMahDragonz
My reasoning:
1) Suspect from the beginning for many people with some suspicious behavior on D1
2) Claimed PR halfway through D1. Very complex and with no real way for us to prove she is telling the truth by being vague.
3) No information from said PR (not even non-useful information: literally we've got nothing from it)
4) Keeps saying she will come in and post and explanation on what's going on, but that amounts to "I'm busy, will explain everything later" (seems like a delay tactic while she comes up with good excuses)
5) TTK's role reveal and information seemingly invalidates WAMD's role and power. Now it's a game of who we believe more.
I'd like for her to explain what actions she performed last night and what information (if any) that yielded. It's disconcerting that she has claimed but we have gotten seemingly no new information from her role or explanation from her since she avoided getting lynched on D1.
I'm also suspect of TTK's claim, but at the very least he is active in the discussion at the moment. We really need to hear from WAMD.
Here are the posts in question. Note this is all she's posted this entire day phase.
She says she has some stuff. Now I don't want to use her silence this day phase as a scumtell, but seriously, it isn't that hard to post something for us with a promise of explaining it later. For me, this reeks of intentionally putting it off while she figures out her next move.
She says she has some stuff. Now I don't want to use her silence this day phase as a scumtell, but seriously, it isn't that hard to post something for us with a promise of explaining it later. For me, this reeks of intentionally putting it off while she figures out her next move.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Listen dude it's not my fault swing shift left us with three fucking jobs to do and they all take a while. Like I didn't even get a lunch yesterday, I have more shit going on in my life than Mafia.
If you must know, the first night i used the command "LISTEN" and the second night (last night) I used the command "FOLLOW". I followed a player out into a dark alley, we fought, I got injured and i thought they did too, but they actually came out unscathed. Meaning, there's a bulletproof player in the game. And, by my own logic, that also means there is probably a strongkill of some kind. Which makes sense, because one of the dudes in the bathroom was talking in a deep voice. Don't know what the "bruh" dude means, but it reminds me of a partier / frat boy of some kind. Don't know what kind of role that would hint at.
Last night the mission was something about "we have reason to believe we have identified a potential power within the bar, choose a player to follow". Obviously I followed ttk because he's suspicious af and his laser on me doesn't really make sense and I'm frustrated with it. Anyway, I believe him to be the BP. So this whole thing about him tracking me is utter bullshit and he's just doing it to get me mislynched.
However, there is nothing in the flavor that specifically hints at him being scum. All I know is that I followed him out into the alley in the back, he made a phone call of some kind (I did not overhear it) and then a cat ran by and drew his attention. He saw me, he pulled a knife, I got wounded, but I managed to hurt him too. He's fine though, meanwhile I've got a nasty cut from hip to rib.
Possibilities:
1. He's scum, I still think he is but it's not directly confirmed in the text
2. He's my handler but that would be weird cause he's been on my dick all game, trying to get me lynched
Hyperactivity
Banned
be specific on what all your options were, including night one's, and the wording (paraphrase it as best as you can)
Hyperactivity
Banned
how are you presented the commands? do you know what commands you get from the role pm, or do you basically get a new role pm each time?
How do you know when an option is risky or safe?
How do you know when an option is risky or safe?
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Listen (eavesdrop)
Follow (creep on someone)
Attack (go at them, may result in death for either party)
Interrogate (bully info out of someone)
Drink (this one is more like "sit this night out" and stay safe)
Ask for assistance (contact the handler and hope that they help)
For what it's worth I did not go after kitty OR splinter N1 so I don't know where that extra death came from.
I was given them in my initial role PM. Each night I'm only given a flavor blurb with "what do you wanna do?"
You don't know what's risky or safe, it's part of the gamble. I can only use each one once, so assuming the game goes past six nights, I'm basically useless.
Dusk Soldier
Member
Dragonz, I wanted to give you one more night to produce useful information but you blew it.
There are too many contradictions in your claim.
The handler is a player is this game. How would a player in this game know that there was suspicious activity happening in a bathroom?
If you hadn't claimed, how would this handler learn the results of your missions?
"choose a player to follow" Originally you claimed that you get to decide which command to use for each mission, but every mission you've gotten so far seems to be tailored to a specific command in your repertoire.
"choose a player to follow" which player did you follow? Why did the follow command function exactly like the attack command?
How did you evade timetokill's tracking powers?
Vote: Wherearemahdragonz, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoyner, and the first scum. Khaleesi of the great scum chat, Breaker of Claims, and Mother of Dragonz
There are too many contradictions in your claim.
The handler is a player is this game. How would a player in this game know that there was suspicious activity happening in a bathroom?
If you hadn't claimed, how would this handler learn the results of your missions?
"choose a player to follow" Originally you claimed that you get to decide which command to use for each mission, but every mission you've gotten so far seems to be tailored to a specific command in your repertoire.
"choose a player to follow" which player did you follow? Why did the follow command function exactly like the attack command?
How did you evade timetokill's tracking powers?
Vote: Wherearemahdragonz, Queen of the Andals, the Rhoyner, and the first scum. Khaleesi of the great scum chat, Breaker of Claims, and Mother of Dragonz
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Bruh ttk doesn't have tracking powers that's what I'm trying to tell y'all
Dusk Soldier
Member
I'm sorry
vote: wherearemahdragonz
vote: wherearemahdragonz
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Also the bathroom and the alley are just part of the flavor so I don't know what contradiction you're trying to make up
Dusk Soldier
Member
Your mission specifically told you to use the follow command, even though when you first claimed you said you could use whatever claim you wanted...
And on the first night you were told that there was suspicious activity in the bathroom, but why would a player in this game give you a mission that vague?
Hyperactivity
Banned
what tasks have you been given so far WAMD?
You first claimed that night 1 you were given a mission and chose an action in response.
You said that night 2 your mission was as you paraphrased "we have reason to believe we have identified a potential power within the bar, choose a player to follow", and you chose a player instead of an action, which also contradicts what you said earlier in the exact same post about choosing to use follow as an action to a prompt.
Hyperactivity
Banned
getting my thoughts together now, but I still want to confirm some things WAMD
When you say interrogate, what power does that refer to?
Have you been given specific information on what each command does?
Could the night one conversation refer to kingkitty (and presumably *Splinter's) chat?
When you say interrogate, what power does that refer to?
Have you been given specific information on what each command does?
Could the night one conversation refer to kingkitty (and presumably *Splinter's) chat?
Hyperactivity
Banned
Also, this is something relating to the game, trust me here, but I can't really formulate the full theory.
What do you guys think as to when a scum team is most likely to play very riskily and very conservatively? I'm having trouble deciding entirely, and I'm not sure me trying to think that through on my own would be too productive. I might miss something obvious or have the totally wrong idea.
What do you guys think as to when a scum team is most likely to play very riskily and very conservatively? I'm having trouble deciding entirely, and I'm not sure me trying to think that through on my own would be too productive. I might miss something obvious or have the totally wrong idea.
I imagine it comes down to multiple factors. # remaining would be a big one, along with player personalities, and whether or not they felt like town was onto them. Team composition is important too, I could see more risky behavior if a scum team has a lynch bomb then if they don't.
We can figure out if TTK is lying.
He just needs to follow me tonight and first thing next morning he posts my target. The target confirms. Done. If he can't, he was lying. Of course there are several problems, of the dying case... or I hit scum, they won't talk and I die. Or there is a scum tracker and he gets away with this for the wrong reasons.
The lack of any tangible proof in his claim is worrying, same with Dragonz "follow" last night. Somehow it reads like Scum is thunderdoming and wants his player to survive just one more night and get rid off a PR.
Still thinking batsnacks would be the better choice today.
But maybe getting rid of TTK will ease up the game. If he's town we have two bandwagons last day and scum jumping, shifting votes with no reason. If he's scum we have to look at the late changes which went in favour of Ouro. And we have to look at Day 1 voters for AbsolutBro.
He just needs to follow me tonight and first thing next morning he posts my target. The target confirms. Done. If he can't, he was lying. Of course there are several problems, of the dying case... or I hit scum, they won't talk and I die. Or there is a scum tracker and he gets away with this for the wrong reasons.
The lack of any tangible proof in his claim is worrying, same with Dragonz "follow" last night. Somehow it reads like Scum is thunderdoming and wants his player to survive just one more night and get rid off a PR.
Still thinking batsnacks would be the better choice today.
But maybe getting rid of TTK will ease up the game. If he's town we have two bandwagons last day and scum jumping, shifting votes with no reason. If he's scum we have to look at the late changes which went in favour of Ouro. And we have to look at Day 1 voters for AbsolutBro.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
I am given a scenario. "X thing is happening" or "we have reason to believe X information is available", what do you want to do?
N1 was something about suspicious activity happening somewhere in the bar, and N2 mentioned a specific suspicious figure, but it was different from N1 in that it let me follow a specific player to confirm / deny my supicions.
Dragonz, you have one specific command that says attack. Why would you ever expect ttk to die when you only "follow" him? Obviously this is a tracker one-shot power, if you're telling the truth. Your paraphrasing seems odd. Even though this is a cabot/Kawl game, I doubt you'd have this much trouble to differentiate between actual info and fluff.
What are you holding back?
What are you holding back?
This just seems like way too much for one role. It's like half the roles of another game rolled (no pun intended) into one.
And here you say you got text selections based on the scenario presented, but now it seems like you're saying you have these same 6 options every time.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
They are all one shot. I cannot use follow again. I followed him instead of attacking him because I wanted to be sure. I was 99% sure yesterday, but now I'm 100%. I didn't know he was BP until this day start, so there was no way I could've used attack then, unless I wanted to risk it.
I'm not holding anything back. I have nothing left to lose; y'all said it yourself that I'm dead unless I provide today, which I clearly didn't, so
It's just funny that ttk claims to have tracked me and gotten nothing (because he can't track anyone) and is getting away Scott free, when I'm getting called out for "being too vague" when I'm literally telling you guys everything I know. Whatever. I'm frustrated.
Vote: Timetokill[/vote]
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Yes, this. The text of the missions is different each time, but the actions remain the same. Sorry if that was confusing.
I was given them in my initial role PM
timetokill
Banned
I'm an awkward bar fly. I try to cling to groups in order to fit in but I'm always a third wheel, and the only drinks I know are the ones I've seen in movies. I'm harmless but I can't take a hint.
And yes, as far as I know.
I'm not totally sure what this is asking. Is it not obvious from the thread? She said I'm in her top 3 scum earlier. So... yes?
Sure, I'll follow you tonight. You could lessen the risk, I guess, by targeting somebody you know is town? Then again, what is your ability -- did I miss it? There's always a chance you're scum trying to bait me into an impossible task. Would be worth tracking you either way in my case.
Of course you could just lynch Dragonz and then you'll know if I was lying or not right then, too.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Vote: Timetokill
I'm an idiot
I'm an idiot
timetokill
Banned
No comment
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
At least I'm cute