I don't think this is an issue that should ever be put to a popular vote really, but ignoring that fact, if the people of the UK want to have a public vote on rejoining the EU in the future, I don't have a problem with that.
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Petition for 2nd referendum hits 2.7M signatures - and why it isn't pointless
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I agree with that, but I think right now it's like we're heading for a train derailing and it's possible a significant amount of people who voted yesterday now feel the same. So I understand why people are exploring ways to shift tracks while we still can before the big collision actually happens. I'm in a European region that will suffer some of the blows and obviously didn't get a chance to influence this vote, but I'm incredibly disappointed all the same.
It's always possible people will feel differently after a vote. But you can't run a country based on that. The vote happens, and then it's over. You learn your lessons from that experience and try to do better time.
I agree this is going to be a very hard lesson for the people of the United Kingdom.
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Again, not just them. Before the vote they projected 12K jobs to be lost in Flanders and it's looking likely we will indeed be caught in the crossfire.
And that's awful too, but it doesn't change anything.
I doubt it. Just like this vote, the Scots also had their chance. Let's not pretend Brexit just came out of thin air, the Scots who voted Remain should have known there was a real likelihood of England and Wales leaving the EU and they still voted to be part. Now it is sour grapes because it actually happened. Scotland going independent when they were part of the UK made sense as they UK was part of the EU then and they would have stuck with a high rated pound sterling and good credit for the time being. Now Scotland will risk independence when every industry in Britain is now in shambles and the pound has tanked and where Spain and others will probably fight to prevent Scottish independence and entry to the EU. Just a messed up situation all around. Scots are rightfully upset but I don't think they are going independent anytime soon.
AlfonzoPalutena
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The only thing I can say is that there wouldnt be calls for a 2nd referendum if remain had won. That makes it impossible for me to believe that "it's not about voting again just because one side didn't get their way".
If remain had won, there wouldnt be anyone who took issue with the vote being a simple majority. No one would "call for rules to be established. That results should be required to pass with a certain majority and turnout or a second vote called for.
Full disclaimer, I'm not British and I don't have a strong opinion on remain/leave.
If remain had won, there wouldnt be anyone who took issue with the vote being a simple majority. No one would "call for rules to be established. That results should be required to pass with a certain majority and turnout or a second vote called for.
Full disclaimer, I'm not British and I don't have a strong opinion on remain/leave.
eBay Huckster
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the leave campaign + many leave voters are exactly the type of people who would be calling for a second referendum if it had been 52-48 the other way, let's not kid ourselves
I dunno, I think based on Farage's pre-referendum comments it's fair to assume that he at least would have started angling for a future referendum if he'd lost. Maybe not one to be held immediately, but it's basically his entire political identity. He couldn't just give up.
That said, I think it's safe to say it would be an entirely different group of people calling for another vote, and there'd be far fewer GAFfers among them.
clay_ghost
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So they are the same with remains votes? What will the reaction be if Remains won and leave wanted a second referendum?
The guy who wrote the petition (before the vote) is a hardcore leave voter who planned on launching it when it looked like remain was going to win.
Yep. People are concerned. And rightly so. That is not salt.
excelsiorlef
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You understand the difference between a drastic action and not an action right?
NobleXenon
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The petition could be at 50 million signatures and it still wouldn't matter; y'all dun fucked up. Live with the decision and learn from it.
Vote with your brain, not with your feelings.
Vote with your brain, not with your feelings.
Not saying it would happen but if more than 3 quarters of our population signed a petition it would be taken notice of.
Portugeezer
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Would be nice... but yeah, highly unlikely.
What the heck is the point in updating the # in the title.
It's non brits and autobots signing!
http://pastebin.com/rgiiPbww
Last I checked the real brit figure was like 350k or something.
It's non brits and autobots signing!
http://pastebin.com/rgiiPbww
Last I checked the real brit figure was like 350k or something.
Clockwork5
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Forever? No. But shouldn't the nation, at the very minimum, enact the change that won the majority vote before those in the minority start claiming that a denial of a revote infringes on their democratic rights?
NobleXenon
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I doubt 50 million people's signatures would be from the UK anyways.
I'll update my first response:
The petition could be at 500 million signatures and it still wouldn't matter; y'all dun fucked up. Live with the decision and learn from it.
Vote with your brain, not with your feelings.
This petition was made by a leave voter before the vote expecting remain to win.
Nope. When things keep going south, they'll just find another boogeymen to place the blame on. The fuck ups are always caused by "the others", not ourselves nor the party we support.
Yeah, no. They have a clause in that vote that says if there's a change to the EU situation another vote is permitted. They absolutely should revote.
You apparently aren't paying attention to anything happening in Scotland right now.
Sure, there is soreness about the loss, but it isn't just that.
Had the Leave side won without using the hate fueled retorihc they did and simply played the same shitty political game like Remain, I'd probably not be calling for this.
A vote won via the exploration of people's ignorance and fear is not a win, I think it sets alarming precedence. Like Trump.
We need to stand up to this. And if we don't manage to change anything here, and even if we do, we need to keep standing.
Had the Leave side won without using the hate fueled retorihc they did and simply played the same shitty political game like Remain, I'd probably not be calling for this.
A vote won via the exploration of people's ignorance and fear is not a win, I think it sets alarming precedence. Like Trump.
We need to stand up to this. And if we don't manage to change anything here, and even if we do, we need to keep standing.
Haha that gave me a chuckle.
People keep saying this about Spain but if Podemos wins (which is a real possibility) it's very unlikely they would do anything to stop Scotland.
These posts are hilarious. The economy is being obliterated, Scotland is very likely to leave, the EU is demanding an immediate break, businesses are leaving and cancelling deals, and the global reputation of the U.K. is in the tank. There's still a chance to fix all that, even if slim and in a very limited window, yet some people refuse to even consider it. You're bleeding to death, a medic is right across the street, but you're telling him to fuck off instead of coming over to save your life.
Based on the different opt-outs the UK currently has, and assuming we manage to negotiate Norway status - what would be the big differences? I'm assuming they'd all be losses - we don't gain control of movement of people, we don't get voting rights etc. Any other main ones?
And the leave campaign will have to sign up for it or risk years trying to negotiate from the outside and huge loss of jobs as investment moves to the mainland. But they'll probably shrug and go 'oh well at least we have control of our own destiny' or bollocks like that.
And the leave campaign will have to sign up for it or risk years trying to negotiate from the outside and huge loss of jobs as investment moves to the mainland. But they'll probably shrug and go 'oh well at least we have control of our own destiny' or bollocks like that.
Brexit response to the medic.
Luckily people in Northern Ireland and some British have an option of getting an Irish passports and keep access to working within Europe.
I wonder if it's deflating for UKIP who say "we should be proud of our Britishness" and seeing lines outside passport offices looking for another country passport.
eBay Huckster
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about the same as we're currently seeing with Leave winning on the internet in general (from different people), substantially more vitriol in the case of GAF specifically (based solely on the posts i've seen from the remain-ers in the past couple days - and that's my observation as a pro-EU poster)
that's...actually interesting
TheLegendOfMart
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Really?
Leavers were ready to claim fix before the polls even closed. Lots of people were saying that because the polling stations had pencils that they were going to take pens so their vote wouldn't be rubbed out and changed. Some even stood outside of their polling station handing pens out to people.
I don't for one second believe Leave would have just accepted it.
I wouldn't call 51.9% a majority. Especially when people were voting based on pure fiction for the Leave campaign who would probably vote Remain if there was a 2nd ref.
Kadayi
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Please, the result was on Friday and we're on Sunday. Beyond the initial knee jerk in the markets, nothing certain in terms of outcome has really occurred. So enough already with the 'sky is falling' talk. Get a grip with the hyperbole before you have yourself an aneurysm.
Hot Coldman
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I don't see a second referendum happening at all - it'd be far likelier for the government to just say "...actually no", and that's still unlikely.
If you want to petition for anything, restricting future referendums to 2/3 majorities or simply making it way fucking harder to have a referendum at all would be preferable.
If you want to petition for anything, restricting future referendums to 2/3 majorities or simply making it way fucking harder to have a referendum at all would be preferable.
I'm Spartacus
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Needs to be quoted for truth. Bots. Bots everywhere.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215.json
Just to pick out a few:
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"Boris Johnson MP","signature_count":4591
"Rt Hon George Osborne MP","signature_count":5307
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"name":"North Korea","code":"KP","signature_count":24848
hydrophilic attack
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Sturgeon has already announced intentions of doing something like that
SlipperyFishes
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I noticed this going on last night. Got sad.
Impressive, you found three ways to say fucking nothing. I thought the comparison was apt myself, you don't seem to have an argument against it? Just a movie poster tag line "they asked him a hypothetical. He doesn't deal in hypotheticals". It'll be hard to enjoy the schadenfreude when you and the rest of the remainers realise this was definitely not the right decision, since we'll all be thoroughly and collectively fucked.
Nigel Farage was actually calling for a second referendum if remain won before the results had even come in lol
Damn even north Korea are in support of remain
bobs...onGaf
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Only British residents can sign.
48% of the Brits voted to remain (why should almost half the country have to deal with the fallout?)
There are a lot of cases of people who voted leave who have already expressed that they regret their decision
The leave campaign admitted to lying about some of its stats almost immediately after the vote
I could go on and on but I think the above alone are reasonable enough grounds to fight the refurendum rather than dumbly move on
As others have said - it is more democratic to have a confirmation vote in scenarios like these than to just shut the book on the matter
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