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Fudzilla - Nvidia GP102 (Pascal) Titan coming "soon"

wachie

Member
Fudzilla credibility is so-so, take it with little value. They seem to be saying big (heavily cut down) Pascal with GDDR5X will launch at $999 some time "soon".

Despite AMD is telling the world that the $649.99 Geforce 1080 is too expensive, Nvidia partners insist they can sell as many cards as Nvidia can supply. Now there is a faster version coming, based on GP102 even bigger graphics chip.

We don’t have many details about GP102 other than it is fast enough for Nvidia to call it Titian. There is a chance that there will be a Geforce GTX 1080 Ti branding but our sources are telling us that Titan is more likely.

People will be looking to upgrade their PCs as we already had quite a few new games launching in the last few weeks including Division, Doom and those that will launch later including highly anticipated Battlefield 1 will need a bit more graphics grunt to run.

Boutique vendors including Origin PC, Maingear, Falcon Northwest, Velocity micro and a few others tell us they cannot get enough of the high end cards, as this is what their customers want. Now with the fade out of the original Titan and the fact that Geforce GTX 1080 is faster than the original Titan card, there is a space for a new card.

We expect that the card will sell for $999 and people are willing to pay for it. Our sources are confident that this is a really big chip, much bigger than the GP104 with its 314 square mm and yet smaller than gigantic GP100 used for Pascal supercomputer cards. This is a bigger Pascal based chip, manufactured using TSMC's 16nm FinFET process with more Cuda cores enabled compared to the GP104 and Geforce GTX 1080.

This is not a HBM 2.0 card, as far as we know, the card will use GDDR5X memory. If it does even a bit better than the Geforce 1080, which was the most successful high end selling product in more than a decade, then Nvidia will be laughing all the way to the bank.

http://www.fudzilla.com/news/graphics/40901-nvidia-gp102-titan-coming-soon

Nvidia launched Tesla P100 today (available Q4) - http://www.anandtech.com/show/10433/nvidia-announces-pci-express-tesla-p100

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Performance - 5.3 DP TFlops
Memory Bandwidth - 720GB/s
Availability - Q4 2016
Price - Both your kidneys
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
Are we definitely mem bandwidth limited? We saw nothing amazing with HBM2 on AMD GPUs so far.

Depends how big Titan is? They could have anywhere from 50-100% more shaders than 1080. Surely at that point you are going to want more bandwidth than even GDDR5X can give you?

Although I don't know why it's expected to be a cut down GP102. Isn't that too DP focused? Why not just make a big GP104?
 

Tryxx

Member
Absolutely no need for a Titan for me. Gonna stick with the 1080 as I game at 1440p for the high refresh rate that is still available at that resolution. 4K is just not there yet, and I could never go back to 60fps or would be willing to pay like 3k for a 4K monitor with a higher refresh rate when they do come out. The 1080 handles every single game at 1440 on max settings over 60fps easily that's all I need.
 

McHuj

Member
Depends how big Titan is? They could have anywhere from 50-100% more shaders than 1080. Surely at that point you are going to want more bandwidth than even GDDR5X can give you?

Not if you have a 384-bit bus and faster GDDR5x. You can probably get 480-700 Gb/sec with GDDR5x.
 

Vuze

Member
If it does even a bit better than the Geforce 1080, which was the most successful high end selling product in more than a decade, then Nvidia will be laughing all the way to the bank.
ugh when did they release sales data for the 1080
 

Calm Mind

Member
Totally unnecessary but if you can afford it and haven't bought a 1080 (which at this point seems unlikely if you could afford this) then I guess this is okay.
 

MuchoMalo

Banned
I'm just going to say that Fudzilla's name is extremely accurate and leave it at that.

Totally unnecessary but if you can afford it and haven't bought a 1080 (which at this point seems unlikely if you could afford this) then I guess this is okay.

1080 still isn't fast enough for 4k60 at ultra settings in demanding games.
 

wildfire

Banned
I hope Nvidia are doing this because they are legit shook by the lengths AMD will go to undercutting them with the price per performance ratio.

I expected the Titan to come out in February or March like it has traditionally done. If it comes out this winter then AMD is pushing them to go Titan into 1080Ti faster than planned.

The price is still going to be too high but that suggest by next year we'll get much better cards from nvidia and hopefully AMD than what we would've gotten under the normal schedule.
 

wachie

Member
I hope Nvidia are doing this because they are legit shook by the lengths AMD will go to undercutting them with the price per performance ratio.

I expected the Titan to come out in February or March like it has traditionally done. If it comes out this winter then AMD is pushing them to go Titan into 1080Ti faster than planned.

The price is still going to be too high but that suggest by next year we'll get much better cards from nvidia and hopefully AMD than what we would've gotten under the normal schedule.
Err, how is the RX480 forcing Nvidia to bring out the Titan? If that was the case (Nvidia worried with the RX480) then they would either bring out a heavily cut down GP104 as the 1060 or if GP106 is ready, bring out the 1060 sooner.

Bringing Titan out sooner than anticipated would only mean Nvidia would exploit the current lack of 1080s and offering them a $200-300 bone to upgrade to the heavily cut down GP102 Titan*

*provided they have enough GP102 dies that don't cut it as the Tesla P100s.
 

tuxfool

Banned
I hope Nvidia are doing this because they are legit shook by the lengths AMD will go to undercutting them with the price per performance ratio.

I expected the Titan to come out in February or March like it has traditionally done. If it comes out this winter then AMD is pushing them to go Titan into 1080Ti faster than planned.

The price is still going to be too high but that suggest by next year we'll get much better cards from nvidia and hopefully AMD than what we would've gotten under the normal schedule.

I'm not sure that applies here. The customer for a Titan really doesn't care about price/perf ratios.
 
I hope Nvidia are doing this because they are legit shook by the lengths AMD will go to undercutting them with the price per performance ratio.

I expected the Titan to come out in February or March like it has traditionally done. If it comes out this winter then AMD is pushing them to go Titan into 1080Ti faster than planned.

The price is still going to be too high but that suggest by next year we'll get much better cards from nvidia and hopefully AMD than what we would've gotten under the normal schedule.

I don't think nvidia is "shook" by anything AMD is doing right now.
 

Momentary

Banned
I hope Nvidia are doing this because they are legit shook by the lengths AMD will go to undercutting them with the price per performance ratio.

I expected the Titan to come out in February or March like it has traditionally done. If it comes out this winter then AMD is pushing them to go Titan into 1080Ti faster than planned.

The price is still going to be too high but that suggest by next year we'll get much better cards from nvidia and hopefully AMD than what we would've gotten under the normal schedule.

I don't think NVIDIA cares about AMD's scheduling and/or undercutting them. I wish AMD did do something to make them care though.

NVIDIA is THE GPU for the automotive industry along with many other industries. I highly doubt that they are concerned with AMD trying to be the bargain for gamers.
 
1080 is already $700+

15-20% faster Titan (3072CC, 480GB/s) for $999 in Sep/October?

More like 700- since most cards are cheaper that FE or at worst equal to it in price.

Second - if it exist then it will be 6 segments to 4 in gp 104 since it needs to hit 384 bit bus with 12GB of Vram

So more like 3840 sp for a full die
 

LilJoka

Member
Depends how big Titan is? They could have anywhere from 50-100% more shaders than 1080. Surely at that point you are going to want more bandwidth than even GDDR5X can give you?

Although I don't know why it's expected to be a cut down GP102. Isn't that too DP focused? Why not just make a big GP104?

Who knows, i havent seen any real evidence.
 
I was expecting Titan in Q4, and then the cut down version early-mid next year, preempting the release of Vega. I might not be too far off the money.
 
I was expecting Titan in Q4, and then the cut down version early-mid next year, preempting the release of Vega. I might not be too far off the money.

What if the Titan uses HBM2 but the 1080 Ti uses GDDR5X? Wouldn't that be a riot? Right guys?

Spoiler:
The 1080 Ti with GDDR5X will still run rings around Vega.
 

kraspkibble

Permabanned.
$1000 + GDDR5X? lol nope. 1080 Ti + Titan should definitely have HBM.

What games actually require this kind of power at this price?

This card might be the one that can do 4K 60fps without having to lower loads of settings. I think the 1080 gets close to 60fps at 4K. A lot of people will be very interested in this card even at the price of $1000.
 
It's still probably a lot cheaper for Nvidia to make say a 384-bit GDDR5X card with 12 GB memory and call it a day. They probably won't need the extra speed HBM2 would afford. That's probably something for Volta.

If AMD is doing two Vega chips, it's likely they'll make a GDDR5X card out of the smaller one too. Our hopes of getting super fast HBM2 cards are dashed, and instead we'll have cut down 1500$ FE Titan instead, and Vega will end up competing with GP104 instead of GP102.
 

knitoe

Member
The sooner the better. This time, I am going to wait for the SLI Tis with custom coolers instead of the next Titan. Too much throttling with the reference Titan coolers. I was starting to envy people with 1080s.
 

Dahaka

Member
1080TI will be fine and so damn mine

2560x1440p@165Hz, HIGH FPS GAMING

The sooner the better. This time, I am going to wait for the Tis with custom coolers instead of the next Titan. Too much throttling with the reference Titan coolers. I was starting to envy people with 1080s.

I know I'm always saying this but Titans can be custom cooled easily.
 

McHuj

Member
$1000 + GDDR5X? lol nope. 1080 Ti + Titan should definitely have HBM.



This card might be the one that can do 4K 60fps without having to lower loads of settings. I think the 1080 gets close to 60fps at 4K. A lot of people will be very interested in this card even at the price of $1000.

Why? It makes no difference if the memory provides sufficient bandwidth.
 

dr_rus

Member
It's still probably a lot cheaper for Nvidia to make say a 384-bit GDDR5X card with 12 GB memory and call it a day. They probably won't need the extra speed HBM2 would afford. That's probably something for Volta.
Titan X have 12GB already. Expect 24 on a Pascal Titan. As pointless as that sound.

If AMD is doing two Vega chips, it's likely they'll make a GDDR5X card out of the smaller one too. Our hopes of getting super fast HBM2 cards are dashed, and instead we'll have cut down 1500$ FE Titan instead, and Vega will end up competing with GP104 instead of GP102.
If only the peak bandwidth available had anything to do with how fast a card is...
 
50% faster than 1080 should be a great card for anyone that wants 4K/60 with no compromises
1080ti launch day, there will be several games you can't max at 4K/60. One year after launch there will be loads. By the time the 1180 is launched, there will be a number of games that will need to be dropped to 1440p or even 1080p on a 1080ti to hold 60 at max settings. Just like the 1080 and the 980Ti before it. People will claim the 1180 is the card to finally do 4K60 max. And then the 1180ti. And so on.
 
Tbh I don't see how AMD is going to make a single GPU card that can compete with 1080 let alone a Titan P any time soon.

Vega arch will need to be much improved and hopefully TMSC manufacturing allows for much higher frequencies at good temps.
 

mrklaw

MrArseFace
1080ti launch day, there will be several games you can't max at 4K/60. One year after launch there will be loads. By the time the 1180 is launched, there will be a number of games that will need to be dropped to 1440p or even 1080p on a 1080ti to hold 60 at max settings. Just like the 1080 and the 980Ti before it. People will claim the 1180 is the card to finally do 4K60 max. And then the 1180ti. And so on.

I didn't say no compromises ever, and of course there will be some outliers - its a PC after all. But I'd say the majority of games on a '1080+50%' card would run at 4k/60 - certainly a lot more than would run like that on a 1080.
 
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