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Magic: the Gathering |OT8| Eldritch Moon - It's only a paper (and digital) moon
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Familienoberhauptvogel
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No it doesn't, whole franchises are build on shipping.
If it's built for it, sure. But that kind of thing I just couldn't care less for.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Bella should have chosen Jacob
Basically we debate whether Jace should marry Nissa or Chandra.
Sometimes to the point where the actual story doesn't matter.
That's basically what I'm afraid of. I (personally) think that relationship drama has no place in fantasy unless it's the focus (Game of Thrones). All it does is obscure the story trying to be told in my opinion.
Luckily they've kept things to just Jace and Liliana and that will satisfy those who want more of that type of stuff.
It's also a good thing that WOTC is chasing that superhero money instead of shipping money right now because I can stomach the Jacetice League more than I can stomach Teen Wolf: Magic Edition
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It isn't just Jace and Liliana. Gideon only ever got to Zendikar because he's a stalker.
Which makes it all the worse they send Jace to recruit Chandra.
Which makes it all the worse they send Jace to recruit Chandra.
I see what you're doing and I will not take part in it
"God's Beard!"
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I thought they were gonna marry each other.
What's your list if I nay ask? I just put together a list and was wondering if I was missing something incredibly obvious.
Too bad Jace is about to rotate.
Familienoberhauptvogel
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No seriously Gideon stalked Chandra to Zendikar. They had like 3 moments in their book, which Gideon was even created for by the author of said book.
Gideon is all fire is evil and I have to fight for order and chandra is like people saying shit like that murdered my parents.
Coincidentally Gideon worked for the Order of Heliud, not a typo, which is part of the reason people think Heliod was originally a PW.
"God's Beard!"
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Speaking of Jace, he's really dipped under $30?
Glad I sold mine at 80 after GP Oakland.
Glad I sold mine at 80 after GP Oakland.
When did this goddamn Fevered Visions burn deck get so popular? I've been getting back into standard online after a while away playing that BW angels control deck and in the 10 matches I've played in the last 2 days 7 of them were against UR Fevered Visions, including 4 of the 5 I played in a league last night. I lost all of them but 1, most of them 0-2.
It seems like a horrible match up unless I completely change my sideboard specifically to combat this one deck.
I just played one where the guy got 4 Visions down in game 1, Jesus Christ.
It seems like a horrible match up unless I completely change my sideboard specifically to combat this one deck.
I just played one where the guy got 4 Visions down in game 1, Jesus Christ.
charlequin
Banned
Making the actual source media about shipping pairings above all else kills franchises, but making content that inspires shipping is easily the single most effective approach to success for serial entertainment. This is literally the one reason Supernatural is still on the air.
Their model is straight-up based on the X-Men so it's gonna be a soap no matter what. Again, the necessary thing is ensuring it's a comic-style soap (i.e. storytelling primarily driven by action/mystery/intrigue/etc. with romance drama happening to the side) and not a full-on TV soap, and given their target audience and the way they tell stories so far the latter does not seem like a risk.
I think shipping two tsunderes is actually a no-no within shipping culture.
Joe Molotov
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Nothing is off limits if you believe enough.
Yeah, I picked em up at 18 and need the playset.
I still say him plus always watching is a deck.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Ojutai was played in UW humans for awhile.
blindrocket
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[QUOTE="God's Beard!";213010452]Speaking of Jace, he's really dipped under $30?
Glad I sold mine at 80 after GP Oakland.[/QUOTE]
Feel bad for the people that dropped 400 bones for a play set.
Glad I sold mine at 80 after GP Oakland.[/QUOTE]
Feel bad for the people that dropped 400 bones for a play set.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Baby Jace is sometimes run as a 1-of sorta snap caster lite.
In the right deck you're almost guaranteed 1 flashback + drawing some serious hate.
In the right deck you're almost guaranteed 1 flashback + drawing some serious hate.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
That's what builds franchises.
Honestly I've never bought the expression "I don't understand shipping" despite how often people on GAF say it. The only way you don't understand shipping is if you have never had any kind of intellectual or emotional engagement with a work of fiction.
I just don't care about relationships in certain kinds of fiction I read. simple as that. I'll read fiction ABOUT relationships if I want that sort of thing.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I mean, you can write it out, but I don't believe you.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Eh, my favourite DnD book series currently running is basically YA.
I can understand people saying that it has no appeal to them personally, but people saying that they completely don't understand shipping as a concept are either lying or have led the most sheltered media lives ever and have never engaged with anyone even slightly different than them regarding media.
I have to agree with Ahodin on this one. Certain types of fiction just don't lend themselves to shipping culture. One of my favorite short stories I've read in recent memory was Long Tom Lookout about a women who ends up taking care of her husband's 5-year-old son from a previous relationship while he's away on business.
Serial fiction tends to lend itself to that sort of thing (especially if it's got a large, ensemble cast), but to say that it's impossible to be engaged with fiction without shipping is way off base.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
You're consuming horrible (e.g. MTG-quality) fiction if you literally do not care about the interpersonal relationships of the characters involved.
I mean, there's a difference in caring about interpersonal relationship or just straight up imagining full stories about it. I deeply care about the relationships of my friends, but I'm not going to make up shit about who should marry each other.
It's not a hard concept to get - if Fiction A is about fighting a demonic power that threatens to rule the world, I don't want to read about how Character A is troubled and can't accept anyone into their life because of the demons who killed his previous lover. That's not why I'm reading the book.
If Fiction B is about how Character A is troubled and can't accept anyone into their life because of something who killed their previous lover (later revealed as demons), then they meet Character B who IS a demon, then I'm reading the book for the relationship, not the demons.
blindrocket
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I just don't understand the term "shipping" in this context.
Personally I'm not a big fan of love triangles and romance subplots.
Personally I'm not a big fan of love triangles and romance subplots.
Interpersonal relationships allow readers to form an empathetic connection with the characters, which in turn makes them give a shit that the fate of the world is at stake. That relationship must exist between the reader and the characters, otherwise there's no conflict or you're reading a history textbook. You could get around this by structuring the story around a single person's internal conflicttheir relationship with themselves/their past/whateverbut you'd best have a good reason to do so.
"God's Beard!"
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I agree, Snapcaster Mage x Ash Zealot should be the main plot.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
You're basically saying you only want to read low-quality fiction if you specifically in advance don't know or care to know the motivations of the characters involved, even if you try to limit the character trait you don't care about specifically to one particular type of relationship generally shared by every living person.
SigmasonicX
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Let's not forget what OT4's OP looked like.
When people say they don't understand shipping, I get the impression that they simply misunderstand what the term means. They think it refers to stuff like this collection of Naruto X Sakura posts from toward the end of Naruto, when Naruto X Hinata was becoming confirmed, where they start raging and crying over things not going their way. In actuality, shipping can cover a wide variety of levels, from that to simply thinking fan art of two characters holding hands and blushing is cute, or thinking it makes more sense for two characters to be together than another pair but otherwise not getting involved in the fan community.
When people say they don't understand shipping, I get the impression that they simply misunderstand what the term means. They think it refers to stuff like this collection of Naruto X Sakura posts from toward the end of Naruto, when Naruto X Hinata was becoming confirmed, where they start raging and crying over things not going their way. In actuality, shipping can cover a wide variety of levels, from that to simply thinking fan art of two characters holding hands and blushing is cute, or thinking it makes more sense for two characters to be together than another pair but otherwise not getting involved in the fan community.
I never said I wouldn't read Fiction B. I'm saying there's a time and a place (for me) for each one.
This is where I'm at, too. There's a huge difference between being engaged with how characters manage their relationships with other characters and dreaming up your own, fantasy relationships for them.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
The problem here is that you aren't even arguing against shipping. You're actually arguing against romance existing in a piece of fiction unless its actually written on the tin, which is an absurdly arbitrary restriction on character development.
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