I want there to be some super powerful role blocker that's calling four of us down during the night phase, but I have no idea how the game could even continue if they happened to get killed.
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I want there to be some super powerful role blocker that's calling four of us down during the night phase, but I have no idea how the game could even continue if they happened to get killed.
Yes indeed that is correct. Scum Blarg could be pretending to be case 1 or 2. Still risky I feel, but not out of the question.
The bad guys want to "disrupt the show". They want to unseat Lawful Neutral Drew Carey in the name of the legendary lizardman Bob Barker. They will "stop at nothing" to do this, including taking our fun away and stopping the ceremonious Winning of the Prizes.
Look
- A mafia game starting with an even number of players is problematic for a number of reasons, but it's such a Moderator 101 type of thing to avoid, I think something is going on to counteract such fuckery.
- Likewise, I think the fact that we're even voting for players to lynch suggests that this game CAN continue as a normal mafia game, should our Fabulous Prizes be taken away and broken.
- It's possible that NOBODY wins prizes because they all overshoot their bid, and this lends another hand to the idea that the game doesn't depend on the prizes. There are likely power roles outside of the prizes. We can't rely on the flavor to tell us that a player won a prize, either. All of that is a sideshow, as far as I'm concerned; and I'm willing to bet it's rigged somehow.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Because no one's posting. Kalor hasn't said anything since I called him out, and CM ignored me completely. Heck, no one even really cared about WAMD's "slip".
Is Karkador really going to leave his RNG'ed vote on Magnum? Someone let me know when he actually starts playing.
This whole "Dusk vs. Blarg" thing has been overwhelmingly Blarg, so I don't even know why Dusk was brought up in the first place.
See? Bit edgy maybe, but not particularly scummy
Kawl are you gonna start contributing at some point?
It's the first day. We simply don't have a lot to work with. Blarg is a reasonable lynch, because he has been behaving erratically, but on the other hand, it is Blarg.
Yea sure. Probably not this day unfortunately as I squandered my weekend and somehow have actual work to do today but I'll be better next phase. Pinky promise. I also had a post at bottom of last page that no one seems to have read.
I have posted since then though it was just a question to Kark. As for what you said I wasn't trying to shoo away suspicion from other people. I was posting about the two people who I suspected the most (Blarg and Dusk) and I wanted to have a post with my thoughts for posterity.
I could understand a lack of attacking, it's all this defending of other people that weirds me out.
People are coming in, shooting down theories for nothing, then leaving without providing an alternative. We get nowhere playing like that.
Lots of "I don't think WAMD is scum", not enough "because ______" or "but ______ sure is"
melonrabbit
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(I'm sure we've all been there and I hope everything improves for you personally.)
As for as the game goes, Splinter does have a play style that gets people talking by putting them on the defensive - I've been up against it a few times. That said, your response could be one to generate sympathy and to effectively move away from the reasons why Splinter is singling you out.
There is still something off about the way you've been deflecting criticism towards you.
OceanicAir
Member
Pretty sure me and Blarg commented on it at least
Well if someone was to die on N0 and didn't that could be why we still have 20 players (someone could be poisoned too like I mentioned before)
And nin, Star or Corn any thoughts?
@Splinter: I really don't like how Star spent a lot of her posts on the Plinko game but hasn't really put much else out there. And it's not even like I'm bothered by people that repeat things either.
melonrabbit
Member
Yeah, Star has been a little odd. Her "waiting to see" who between Blarg and Dusk came off better before voting was a little off-putting.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Being wishy-washy about your contestant claim? No one else has claimed to be a contestant or refuted the previous 4. If you're town, you've just let scum get away with their contestant information.
melonrabbit.
Personally, I find myself split between Blarg and Dusk.
Blarg lied about the Xbox, and I've been trying to figure out what the motive is. He may have rushed out of the gate because he thought the other bidders were announced along with him. Or maybe the bidders actually do know each other via PM. But if he is hiding sometjing, he felt it better to confess something than hide everything.
On the other hand, Dusk is folding under pressure, with each new explanation for his weirdness drawing my suspicion. He's even had a potential teammate try to play defense for him with the same weird logic.
But there's other questions I have.
Maybe the bidders aren't RNGed, but selected - by a player, perhaps even by player #21.
RNG would seem 'fair', but it still takes away a bit of player agency - on the other hand, this "picking a group for nighttime fun" thing is likely informed by however it shook out in Archer mafia.
If a player (or players..) did choose the group, they would be able to verify the accuracy of who claims they were picked - but that's very risky.
Nevertheless, I think Blarg coming Hot Out The Door#2 on that claik suggests that he felt he needed to jump the gun on somebody.
Blarg lied about the Xbox, and I've been trying to figure out what the motive is. He may have rushed out of the gate because he thought the other bidders were announced along with him. Or maybe the bidders actually do know each other via PM. But if he is hiding sometjing, he felt it better to confess something than hide everything.
On the other hand, Dusk is folding under pressure, with each new explanation for his weirdness drawing my suspicion. He's even had a potential teammate try to play defense for him with the same weird logic.
But there's other questions I have.
Maybe the bidders aren't RNGed, but selected - by a player, perhaps even by player #21.
RNG would seem 'fair', but it still takes away a bit of player agency - on the other hand, this "picking a group for nighttime fun" thing is likely informed by however it shook out in Archer mafia.
If a player (or players..) did choose the group, they would be able to verify the accuracy of who claims they were picked - but that's very risky.
Nevertheless, I think Blarg coming Hot Out The Door#2 on that claik suggests that he felt he needed to jump the gun on somebody.
Hmm, interesting, why?
melonrabbit
Member
Why?
Well...maybe the Xbox explodes and kills the winner the next night, turning Price Is Right into Price Is Wrong.
melonrabbit
Member
Kark,
Are you serious about this 21st player business?
Are you serious about this 21st player business?
I'm getting to your question btw Kyan. Just wanted to get this out first.
What's the end game you envisioned here, Blarg? You would lie about the contestants by linking them to the opening flavor, knowing you would get called out in your lie by Sophia, and just say 'NO IT'S OKAY IT WAS ALL A PART OF MY PLAN' and paint yourself as Town's hero? Did you not expect any resistance to that? That we would all hold hands and say 'golly, thanks blarg for getting sophia to clarify that by lying now let's go catch scum!'.
Also I apologize for you using a past game against you. I've even said before this game that using past games as evidence is both unfair to new players who don't know of that specific game and current players because hey, how can you defend that? So let me use what's currently in this game so far.
1. You come in claiming you were a contestant last Night and that you won the Xbox. You claim it is tied to the opening flavor and it is assumed we would know the contestants of each Night phase through the flavor. However, folks start chiming in either that they didn't play and were in the opening OR that they played and their names were never mentioned. This is where you start to falter.
2. Once conflicting claims come up you start playing all over the place. 'I didn't get the Xbox', 'I'm the Town Watcher', and finally 'well maybe the others are lying'. You start throwing out ideas to see what sticks and you finally settle on the last one and double down on the opening flavor. You even throw out your '''poem''' that you sent Sophia last Night. I said it before but that was what really set off my alarm bells for you because you were desperately trying to say 'see! see! it's just like the flavor like i said!!'. You were trying to show that the flavor WAS right and that those who didn't play were wrong.
3. Sophia enters and clarifies the opening flavor. You grow silent, however I'm assuming that's just due to timezone differences. Yet when you come back you have completely changed your strategy. No longer 'care-free Blarg' but now fully-blown 'Aggro Blarg' and you go all-in attacking those who questioned you. This is where your 'IT WAS ALL PART OF MY MASTER PLAN' comes in and, frankly, I find that BS. If you're trying to tell me that this whole scheme was in order to generate discussion and get clarification I don't believe you for a second.
What discussion were you trying to generate anyway? To get the real winner and contestants to open up? Which, by the way, is essentially role fishing seeing as the item probably gives you some sort of ability.
Also, throughout ALL of this, you did not scum hunt at all. If this truly was your ~*~*~master plan~*~*~ when you finally pulled the curtains back I was expecting some grandiose 'HERE is your scum!'. But there was nothing. Nothing expect trying to save yourself and throw others under the bus hoping you could generate enough uncertainty to let yourself live.
I'm sorry Blarg, but you are the weakest link.
What's the end game you envisioned here, Blarg? You would lie about the contestants by linking them to the opening flavor, knowing you would get called out in your lie by Sophia, and just say 'NO IT'S OKAY IT WAS ALL A PART OF MY PLAN' and paint yourself as Town's hero? Did you not expect any resistance to that? That we would all hold hands and say 'golly, thanks blarg for getting sophia to clarify that by lying now let's go catch scum!'.
Also I apologize for you using a past game against you. I've even said before this game that using past games as evidence is both unfair to new players who don't know of that specific game and current players because hey, how can you defend that? So let me use what's currently in this game so far.
1. You come in claiming you were a contestant last Night and that you won the Xbox. You claim it is tied to the opening flavor and it is assumed we would know the contestants of each Night phase through the flavor. However, folks start chiming in either that they didn't play and were in the opening OR that they played and their names were never mentioned. This is where you start to falter.
2. Once conflicting claims come up you start playing all over the place. 'I didn't get the Xbox', 'I'm the Town Watcher', and finally 'well maybe the others are lying'. You start throwing out ideas to see what sticks and you finally settle on the last one and double down on the opening flavor. You even throw out your '''poem''' that you sent Sophia last Night. I said it before but that was what really set off my alarm bells for you because you were desperately trying to say 'see! see! it's just like the flavor like i said!!'. You were trying to show that the flavor WAS right and that those who didn't play were wrong.
3. Sophia enters and clarifies the opening flavor. You grow silent, however I'm assuming that's just due to timezone differences. Yet when you come back you have completely changed your strategy. No longer 'care-free Blarg' but now fully-blown 'Aggro Blarg' and you go all-in attacking those who questioned you. This is where your 'IT WAS ALL PART OF MY MASTER PLAN' comes in and, frankly, I find that BS. If you're trying to tell me that this whole scheme was in order to generate discussion and get clarification I don't believe you for a second.
What discussion were you trying to generate anyway? To get the real winner and contestants to open up? Which, by the way, is essentially role fishing seeing as the item probably gives you some sort of ability.
Also, throughout ALL of this, you did not scum hunt at all. If this truly was your ~*~*~master plan~*~*~ when you finally pulled the curtains back I was expecting some grandiose 'HERE is your scum!'. But there was nothing. Nothing expect trying to save yourself and throw others under the bus hoping you could generate enough uncertainty to let yourself live.
I'm sorry Blarg, but you are the weakest link.
Well I don't know if there's a #21, but I do think the even-numbered player count is an unusual thing that's being counter-balanced in some unusual way.
HOLD UP.
I'm going back to answer Kyan's post and I interestingly come across this:
However, Splinter doesn't say a word against this even though he quotes this exact post. A page later he catches Dragonz on a similar 'slip' and hasn't let it go since.
please explain splints.
I'm going back to answer Kyan's post and I interestingly come across this:
However, Splinter doesn't say a word against this even though he quotes this exact post. A page later he catches Dragonz on a similar 'slip' and hasn't let it go since.
please explain splints.
Why
melonrabbit
Member
Forgive my ignorance, but why are even numbers bad?
And really, it's an Xbox One...let's not assume these 'prizes' are helpful.
Come now fellow Garbo, this is a difference between the generic, or Royal, four and the specific four. Melon meant the first dragonz the second.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
I don't know what to tell you, honestly. Normally I'm a lot more thoughtful but right now I'm working on just my emotions and what I'm feeling so i can understand how it may be a bit erratic, sorry.
Lone_Prodigy
Member
I don't think there's a Kinect-ion between the number of players and how contestants are chosen.
However, there may be a chance of a host/announcer type player who choose the contestants. But that's a lot of PM's to go through in one shortened Night phase.
However, there may be a chance of a host/announcer type player who choose the contestants. But that's a lot of PM's to go through in one shortened Night phase.
There's a few reasons, like avoiding ties in the votes (basically becomes a gridlock near the end), makes the game end on a Day vote instead of a NK.
Oops. I thought it was clear earlier i'm terrible with numbers. I'm also from America so royalty means nothing to me, including royal numbers.
Um, what am I explaining here?
4 contestants was a common assumption at the time, no? Based on the game show?
That isn't like Dragonz slip, where she accidentally revealed knowing a 3rd contestant ahead of time.
Or you know a successful block/failed kill. If only we had had a night with no deaths that could make that the simplest solution beyond this phantom 21st player.
Cabot, are you playing?? If you are you have to tell me. Otherwise, that's entrapment.
I don't see how that speculation is going to get us anywhere. Given how insane these games can get, with all sorts of roles, I think it seems a bit far-fetched to read too much into the number of players.
Um, what am I explaining here?
4 contestants was a common assumption at the time, no? Based on the game show?
That isn't like Dragonz slip, where she accidentally revealed knowing a 3rd contestant ahead of time.
....
maybe it's because I haven't had breakfast yet but I'm lost.
If 4 contestants was the general assumption then how is it weird that Dragonz talked about a 3rd?
Knowing that there is a 3rd and 4th contestant is different than knowing who is the 3rd or 4th contestant.
On N0? Well, at least I'm not the only one wildly speculating. Stay woke!
Scum Blarg:
Dusk: Town. Unless this was a calculated play by the Scum team I highly doubt they would bus their own teammate so early.The whole 50/50 discussion earlier can just be placed under the 'confused townie' umbrella.
Splinter: Also Town, mainly for his incessant tunneling on Blarg currently and his early-game feelings of Blarg being Scum. Same as above, I doubt scum would bus their teammate so early.
OceanicAir: Scum....? Mainly for this post here. Felt like a scum teammate getting nervous that their scum buddy Blarg was under fire so early.
Kark: Scum? Besides playing oddly all game many of the early questions of the Day involve him subtly deflecting questions or just one sentance comments. Example Here. Can I also mention that the Plinko game started right after Blarg said he lied about the Xbox? And Plinko seems very much like a Blarg idea.
CM: They mentioned early on how they had intense feelings of disliking Blarg ( HERE ) only to come back later and say they weren't quite sure what to do. More of a null but I lean scum here because of the backing down on their earlier thoughts once the heat grew on Blarg.
Town Blarg:
Splinter: Still Town. Weaker than the above read but this early of a tunnel on a player seems like an odd move, even for Splinter.
Dusk: Scum....? His early game is weird no matter how it is spun and it still feels like Scum being pushed into a corner and not knowing how to escape. The only saving grace right now is if Blarg ends up Scum.
Kark: The Biggest Null Read of them All. 50/50, Plinko, and now invisible playing Lizardmen. I think he needs to see a Doctor because something is wrong, I just can't tell what.
CM: Oddly enough I have a stronger Scum read if Blarg is Town. The example above can be used here as well but it felt like early-game Scum throwing shade only to back down once things got a little more uncertain. Not to mention a lack of anything else for this Day 1.
Overall though it's a lot of null reads. This were just the ones I can instantly think of that would be connected to a Blarg flip in any way. There are others who I think are Town/Scum but haven't really connected themselves to the Blarg Problem.
Well I be. I guess assuming that a doctor could exist is just as out there as an imaginary 21st player who is pulling the strings around us all.
You got me Kark.
WhereAreMahDragonz
Banned
Yeah, and I thought it was Stan because I'm an idiot and I didn't read it right
Ok Saw, one more time
At this point, we knew of 2 contestants: Blarg and Kawl.
K?
Also while looking for this I found the final nail in WAMD's coffin. Brb
At this point, we knew of 2 contestants: Blarg and Kawl.
"There are 4, who is the last? Because you know we already know 3 and only 1 is missing"
K?
Also while looking for this I found the final nail in WAMD's coffin. Brb
Lone_Prodigy
Member
Stop speculating on even/odd players. I haven't seen a game that maps out the number of players remaining at end-game because there are so many ways the game can (and will) go.
Any alternatives today besides Blarg?
Any alternatives today besides Blarg?
But Dragonz never said she knew the 3rd, she only asked who was the last contestant. Going by the quote Splinter keeps using it just looked like she misinterpreted who the contestants were and thought there were 3 at the time who had claimed instead of just 2.
Multiple, it's Day 1. The vote count is probably going to be weird and end up on someone else entirely.
Eeeeehh
now I see why people aren't super convinced.
I'll take a look at that final nail for 500, Splinter.
Hey dawg I was just explaining why it tracks that splinter was all up in wamds grill and left that comment from melon alone.
Go reap some more.
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