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Jimquisition: Delayed Reaction (August 22, 2016)

Acorn

Member
This reminds me... I can remember when Jim Sterling used to write the most embarassingly childish anti-FF articles back when he worked for Destructoid.

He still do anything like that these days?
He changed from being a raving right wing lunatic to being fairly normal ages ago now.
 

Aaron D.

Member
Holy crap that was viscous!

And sadly, so true.

You're a beautiful, beautiful man, Mr. Sterling.

Keep doing The Lord's work.
 

Zafir

Member
It is quite ridiculous how angry and how people throw verbal insults all over the place about this stuff.

I mean I can understand people being disappointed over XV. It's been a 10 years wait, and just when people thought they may finally get it, another delay. Getting so angry and crazy over it is just insane though, even more so when it's not even at the people who caused the delay - it's baffling!

I've been asking myself what happened to people for a long time though. It's not unique to hype. I mean you look at how people act in games and stuff. Back when I first started playing online, somewhere around when the first WoW came out, I rarely experienced that kind of bad behaviour. Not in WoW, not in Counter Strike Source which I briefly played(I mean yeah there was some comments but it wasn't any where near as bad), don't remember it in Halo 2 either. Now you get people being dicks in at least 50% of MOBA matches/PVP matches/Shooters.
 

KingBroly

Banned
The first time I remember people getting upset about a delay was Super Smash Bros. Brawl being delayed a month for North America almost immediately after the game released in Japan.
 
The first time I remember people getting upset about a delay was Super Smash Bros. Brawl being delayed a month for North America almost immediately after the game released in Japan.

I assume people were mad at NIntendo rather than the press reporting the delay. Because people generally didn't behave like fucking morons then.
 

Kuraudo

Banned
Am I being too naive in thinking that most of this frothing is just children and teenagers? I think they just like getting attention online and this is a way to get it.

Nope. Look back at how you behaved when you were a child or teenager. It was probably nothing like this weird frenzy that accompanies every major consumer product.

There's an odd infantilisation going on culturally right now. It's tempting to point the finger at consumerism in general, as an infantilised me-focus has always been intrinsic to being a good consumer. But the infantilising of the last couple of years is so much more sudden and ravenous than it was during the happy nineties, neoliberal utopia of a pre-9/11 world.

Part of it's marketing. The marketing industries learned a lot from the last couple of Harry Potter novels and have basically refined it over the last decade, where each product that comes out is marketed in such a way that positions it as a cultural phenomenon and, if you aren't interested in it, there's something wrong with you. The way Star Wars is marketed is the current epitome of that, but there are so many microcosms of that generating hype from all angles. For the videogame industry it was probably Halo 3 which was the first to use these techniques, but now every AAA title has access to them.

It's troubling anyway, because really, what's the endpoint of this?
 

I was there then. People will always freak out about a subjective game score for a beloved franchise. Especially back then when System Wars was literally a clown fiesta of sanctioned trolling among all posters.

The subject of this discussion is people freaking out over factual news. How simply reporting the objective truth (like a game delay in the case of Final Fantasy or a feature not being in the product in the case of NMS) sends people off the deep end.
 

redcrayon

Member
Am I being too naive in thinking that most of this frothing is just children and teenagers? I think they just like getting attention online and this is a way to get it.
It's easy to blame children and teenagers for anonymous childish behaviour, but anonymity brings the worst out in adults too. I'd guess the people moaning about FF are far less likely to be kids/teenagers who weren't even born in the series heyday than it is to be adults who just like talking shit online and take their hobby a bit too seriously. I'm always amazed at how people can take a product delay as a personal insult, as if it's the highlight of their year and their time with the game is being robbed.
 
It's easy to be a complete dick on the internet.

Websites have, at least, to worry about reputation, but the reporters also put themselves at risk, both their careers and, as we've seen, their personal safety and mental health because of the pricks who are able to hide behind anonymous comments and handles. Randomers online? Nah, they can do what they want because they're not accountable.
 
I wonder if being European and when I was younger getting shat upon a lot when it came to game releases has just given me a thick skin when it comes to these delays.

The first time I remember people getting upset about a delay was Super Smash Bros. Brawl being delayed a month for North America almost immediately after the game released in Japan.
As soon as I heard Jim say Gamestop I couldn't help but think of this legendary forum post about Super Smash Bros. Brawl:
http://smashboards.com/threads/lets-end-the-delay.137150/#post-3719849
At the time Americans were freaking out about that delay Europe didn't even have a release date
 

RoboPlato

I'd be in the dick
The past couple episodes have been excellent. Jim's been spitting hot fire.

And Fuck Konami News certainly delivered this week.
 
Preaching on a soapbox is Jim's entire shtick.
I mean, he doesn't even yell for one thing. He's extremely articulate and intelligent and everything he says is very very careful considered, in stark contrast to 99 percent of popular gaming YouTube channels.
 

Sanctuary

Member
This is literally the first time I've ever heard GameFAQs being pronounced like Game F-A-Qs.
Anyway, Jim thrives on this kind of stuff, and he knows it.
 

Gestault

Member
This reminds me... I can remember when Jim Sterling used to write the most embarassingly childish anti-FF articles back when he worked for Destructoid.

He still do anything like that these days?

I remember his FF XIII review, but is there something you could link to? His style in general is more out there, but I never got the impression of him "going after" Final Fantasy any more that someone being critical of bad games.
 
I feel like outrage like this has been fairly normal on message boards and the comment section but I don't know if it's just me but lately that outrage has turned into death threats, personal attacks on Twitter and ddos attacks on sites themselves. If people want to vent on a forum then fine whatever you can avoid it if you choose but when that outrage moves to the next level that's a problem. I admittedly like to vent as well but I can also control my anger like a rational adult. Some of these people aren't remotely rational.
 

Steroyd

Member
You know, I'm amazed that Konami is still capable of giving Jim material for #FucKonami, I thought he'd be done with the segment before 2015 ended because they couldn't do as bad as they did last year and MGSV released.

I'm actually impressed, in how they proved me wrong.
 
I mean I like Jim and all, but his thinking that Square are delaying this for a good reason... I'm trying to stay positive, but I can't help think this game is going to release in 3 months time and still be a total technical nightmare
 

Steroyd

Member
I mean I like Jim and all, but his thinking that Square are delaying this for a good reason... I'm trying to stay positive, but I can't help think this game is going to release in 3 months time and still be a total technical nightmare

I find this backlash amusing if it's to avoid a day one patch, which everyone loves about the new age of consoles
 

Jobbs

Banned
Count them.

Count how many episodes are actually about this.

I don't catalogue every episode in my head, so I don't know off hand, but the last two have just been blasting some amorphous unspecific bad actor -- Groups of fanboys/trolls. You chastised trolls on the internet and last video you yelled at people who were overzealous defenders of No Man's Sky.

I don't personally find these sorts of videos very compelling, because it's already well known that people on the internet are horrible. There's no face to it so it's unsatisfying. Fuck Konami, by comparison, is satisfying because I know who and what Konami is. There's something to direct my anger against and thus some kind of cathartic pay off. "People on the internet being awful" just feels empty as a topic.

My 2 cents
 

Lashley

Why does he wear the mask!?
This really pissed me off

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SomTervo

Member
I feel that this has little to do with hype but more with the growing audience trust disorders of anything resembling institution. Everything has to be a conspiracy, if something you didn't like is happening it isn't for some mundane reason but because there is a hidden, sinister truth behind it. The flipside is that any rumor uttered by fucking nutters are always legitimate.

I think that's a good analysis and I think it also goes both ways - hype train and hate train.
 

Nzyme32

Member
Another good video to highlight the shity folk that are so emotionally tied to gaming as "gamers". Only thing I would mention is that there are literal clickbait sites, still claiming HL3's impending reveal / release every month, as they did with FFXV and other crap people search for. I'm pretty sure that isn't really the purview of the video, but I still find it funny that such sites do exist
 

Gaogaogao

Member
how is it that people don't realize that the delayed version will be better than if they just released whatever they have now?
 

Aretak

Member
This reminds me... I can remember when Jim Sterling used to write the most embarassingly childish anti-FF articles back when he worked for Destructoid.

He still do anything like that these days?
All I can recall is his FFXIII review where he, one hundred percent correctly, noted that it was a steaming pile of shit.
 

Necron

Member
"We laugh because it's better than crying..."

They should print that on the back of the Metal Gear Survive box. Really great episode and emphasises the extremes of the so called "hype culture" very well.
 
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