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[Bert]

I could see both sides being basically identical, so you can play left handed and you can split it into two controllers for simple multiplayer.

Could the controllers bend or change somehow when off the console so when held sideways theyre more like the handled shape of other controllers?

Like if they had two hinges, one each side of the stick and face buttons in the centre, maybe these hinges expose scroll wheels for shoulder buttons when you move them. Maybe this is all far too complex.

 

[Oersted]

Did someone use childlabour to get this drawing done?

 

[ggx2ac]

The A/B/X/Y buttons are out of order...

It's possible that they mixed up the buttons because of Xbox. This probably would have been pointed out by the source to have been mentioned.

 

[Skittzo0413]

Okay, now that is legitimately suspicious and making me question it.

The cocktail napkin sketch is really throwing people off? This was presumably drawn by someone who saw the devkit or was given a description of it, I doubt they would get every detail correct in this sketch especially the labels on the buttons. Hell, I've owned every Nintendo console and handheld besides the virtual boy and I can't remember the button arrangement off the top of my head.

Then again I have a terrible memory but I digress.

 

[BDGAME]

Ok, I'm start to thinking how make a ergonomic mockup. So, I try to understand the standard format of current controls. They basic idea is 2 analogic, 1 dpad and 4 front buttons, with a curvature, like that:

That curvature is necessary to maintain the comfort for long playtimes in one of the 3 ways you need to hold the control:

Two hands in the 2 analogics. Most used for full 3D games.

One hand in one analogic and other hand in the buttons.

One hand in the Dpad and other in the buttons. The classic mode.

Most of the games you fix your hand in one of these 3 positions. You can push the others buttons but most of the time your hand will be fixed in that.

Now lets look at 3DS design:

They put the Apad and Dpad in line, but don't do the same on the other site, because they know it will make it bad to hold.

The truth is that, in a portable, the upper part in the best to put the buttons or analogic and the lower is a bad choice.

Sony try to make a tradicional desing with vita, but in the end, the small analogics don't help for long play times.

So, the best we can have in a portable, is put the main buttons or analogic in the upper part. But since it can chance for each game you play, how they can do that?

Simple:

and

The curvature to use different ways is not necessary if you ca always chance the main buttons or pads. Problem solved.

 

[Nanashrew]

Sometimes I forget the position of X and Y and have to remind myself by looking at an SNES controller or the Wii U gamepad.

If you were to ask me on the spot and draw it out, I'd likely mix them up.

 

[Neoxon]

I just realized something. What of the shoulder buttons for the two halves?

 

[Filter]

Okay, now that is legitimately suspicious and making me question it.



What world do you live in where leakers post proof? Do you understand what a leak is?

What? Famous leakers like deepthroat or Snowden? Worthwhile leaks offer verifiable information.
Do you know what a leaker is?

What we have here is unsubstantiated rumour. Not a leak.
Not that I don't enjoy it.

 

[Hero Prinny]

It's pretty hard to prove something that's heavily NDA'd without getting someone fired or sued. Also, she's not the only one reporting on this. LPVG and NintendoLife both back it

Okay, now that is legitimately suspicious and making me question it.



What world do you live in where leakers post proof? Do you understand what a leak is?

its more that she's always second guessing it like "oh i heard this but it might not be it might no longer be the case" like she's trying to cover her tracks, if it ends up happening everyone goes SHE WAS RIGHT HER SOURCE IS LEGIT but if its not she was probably right and it just no longer was the case. Right or wrong, i still think she's full of shit. If she's right it was pure luck/ piggy backing off ppl that have legit sources.

also muchomalo, you're the one that clearly doesn't understand what a leak is so stop trying to be a smart ass.

 

[Filter]

its more that she's always second guessing it like "oh i heard this but it might not be it might no longer be the case" like she's trying to cover her tracks, if it ends up happening everyone goes SHE WAS RIGHT HER SOURCE IS LEGIT but if its not she was probably right and it just no longer was the case. Right or wrong, i still think she's full of shit. If she's right it was pure luck/ piggy backing off ppl that have legit sources.

Pretty much how a 'psychic' operates.

 

[Nanashrew]

Who else you guys gonna follow for leaks and rumors when it comes to Nintendo? There's not much else out there and Trev outed his original source to Nintendo and Happy Nintendo Fan is some random person on the internet who has nothing.

EDIT: And if all this thread is going to do is bicker and moan about where the information is coming from, maybe it should just get locked. Thanks for ruining another thread and being asses amidst discussion.

 

[Dark Cloud]

Guys, just stop arguing about who is right and who has good or bad sources. It keeps devolving into this stuff and its what got the last NX thread locked.

 

[Hero Prinny]

Who else you guys gonna follow for leaks and rumors when it comes to Nintendo? There's not much else out there and Trev outed his original source to Nintendo and Happy Nintendo Fan is some random person on the internet who has nothing.

and she isn't a random? whats her right/wrong ratio when it comes to these rumors? legit question.

Guys, just stop arguing about who is right and who has good or bad sources. It keeps devolving into this stuff and its what got the last NX thread locked.

maybe these threads shouldn't be made when the person sharing the rumor hasn't even proved to be creditable tho.

 

[Mediking]

Ok, I'm start to thinking how make a ergonomic mockup. So, I try to understand the standard format of current controls. They basic idea is 2 analogic, 1 dpad and 4 front buttons, with a curvature, like that:



That curvature is necessary to maintain the comfort for long playtimes in one of the 3 ways you need to hold the control:


Two hands in the 2 analogics. Most used for full 3D games.


One hand in one analogic and other hand in the buttons.


One hand in the Dpad and other in the buttons. The classic mode.

Most of the games you fix your hand in one of these 3 positions. You can push the others buttons but most of the time your hand will be fixed in that.

Now lets look at 3DS design:

They put the Apad and Dpad in line, but don't do the same on the other site, because they know it will make it bad to hold.

The truth is that, in a portable, the upper part in the best to put the buttons or analogic and the lower is a bad choice.

Sony try to make a tradicional desing with vita, but in the end, the small analogics don't help for long play times.

So, the best we can have in a portable, is put the main buttons or analogic in the upper part. But since it can chance for each game you play, how they can do that?

Simple:

and


The curvature to use different ways is not necessary if you ca always chance the main buttons or pads. Problem solved.

THE LOGIC...

 

[ggx2ac]

maybe these threads shouldn't be made when the person sharing the rumor hasn't even proved to be creditable tho.

The original report in this thread came from LPVG in which Emily corroborated it and Nintendo Life(?), even NateDrake mentioned hearing it some time ago.

It lines up with new dev kits being sent out in August from... Oh I don't know some time from the 19th onwards when Rosti was expecting to hear news not before or on the 18th about something unknown to us. (Maybe, speculation.)

Edit: making corrections.

 

[Skittzo0413]

The original report in this thread came from LPVG in which Emily corroborated it and Nintendo Life(?), even NateDrake mentioned hearing it some time ago.

It lines up with new dev kits being sent out in August from... Oh I don't know the 18th when Rosti was expecting to hear news. (Maybe, speculation.)

Minor correction, Rosti was not expecting to hear news before August 18th, he never once said he expected to hear news on the 18th. This is how rumor-telephone happens, let's make sure we don't misquote people.

 

[MuchoMalo]

What? Famous leakers like deepthroat or Snowden? Worthwhile leaks offer verifiable information.
Do you know what a leaker is?

What we have here is unsubstantiated rumour. Not a leak.
Not that I don't enjoy it.

its more that she's always second guessing it like "oh i heard this but it might not be it might no longer be the case" like she's trying to cover her tracks, if it ends up happening everyone goes SHE WAS RIGHT HER SOURCE IS LEGIT but if its not she was probably right and it just no longer was the case. Right or wrong, i still think she's full of shit. If she's right it was pure luck/ piggy backing off ppl that have legit sources.

also muchomalo, you're the one that clearly doesn't understand what a leak is so stop trying to be a smart ass.

In this case, a leak would come from someone under NDA. The only way to verify it would be to expose the source of the leak, unless it's a document or picture. Thast's what I meant. A leak contains secret information, and the only time it'll be substantiated is of it comes from a primary source willing to reveal his/her identity, if it's a document or picture that leaked (though even that can be faked), or if the leaker is an idiot. That's why this conversation is stupid and we should just get back on topic before this gets locked last one. If you have an opinion, just keep it to yourself unless you really want this thread locked ASAP.

 

[Yort]

I really don't like split D-pads, and Nintendo typically makes the best D-pads. This is truly the most concerning NX rumour.

 

[-Horizon-]

No opinion on the share button since I've never used it on the PS4 but good for people who wanted it if true

 

[Nanashrew]

I really don't like split D-pads, and Nintendo typically makes the best D-pads. This is truly the most concerning NX rumour.

I think that's what makes me curious at the same time. Nintendo make very good D-pads, I'm curious what their take on a split D-pad would be and how it will feel.

 

[ggx2ac]

Minor correction, Rosti was not expecting to hear news before August 18th, he never once said he expected to hear news on the 18th. This is how rumor-telephone happens, let's make sure we don't misquote people.

It's hard to remember when it was so vague. I'll edit it to say not before the 18th or on the 18th.

 

[Dark Cloud]

I really don't like split D-pads, and Nintendo typically makes the best D-pads. This is truly the most concerning NX rumour.

I'm sure Nintendo can make the best split d-pads too.

Minor correction, Rosti was not expecting to hear news before August 18th, he never once said he expected to hear news on the 18th. This is how rumor-telephone happens, let's make sure we don't misquote people.

A couple things. Rosti had also mentioned Nintendo got caught in some sort of snag and they got it fixed. I believe he was talking in relation of them revealing it? I can't quite remember.

And John Harker said around that same time he's not sure if Nintendo would be able to meet the TGS timeframe of revealing the NX, I believe.

It sounds like there was a problem, but it was resolved, but maybe it caused them to push it back a week or two? That's just me speculating.

I think Rosti said it was NDA related so he can't really clarify.

 

[Refreshment.01]

I could see both sides being basically identical, so you can play left handed and you can split it into two controllers for simple multiplayer.

There are some strong reasons to go in such away both in terms of making the interface intutive and in terms of Nintendo saving considerable costs. Manufacturing one model multiplied by millions potentially, we are talking quiet a lot of money. This has been pointed out many times.

Yet here we have 2 "different" sources with the "traditional" Dpad Left/4 face button Right setup. No aditional inputs near the bottom Wii Remote style.

ANother interesting take away from this latest rumor, is that something like a splitted Dpad and a share button are things that i would consider late additions in the design pipeline. Things that are added once much of the control design or it's most important features are set in stone.

Either, someone is piggybacking from someone else or these things are been purposedly vague and omitting details, to protect a source maybe? In this case im just limiting myself to comment on what's shown to us, if we go with other things one could imagine to work, then there would be 1000's of solutions and as consequence an even more chaotic discussion.

Doesn't Nintendo have a patent or something on their "Control Pad" design? Does not make sense why they would change something iconic like that.

Both things has been adressed at some points in this thread.

The patent for the + Dpad design expired some years ago. 2005 i think?

The reason for a splitted Dpad is to be more homogeneous with the 4 face buttons on the other half of the controller. So in the possible scenario of simple 2 player multiplayer games, each user gets a closer to equivalent input system.

 

[Hero Prinny]

There are some strong reasons to go in such away both in terms of making the interface intutive and in terms of Nintendo saving considerable costs. Manufacturing one model multiplied by millions potentially, we are talking quiet a lot of money. This has been pointed out many times.

Yet 2 different sources with the "traditional" Dpad Left/4 face button Right setup. No aditional inputs near the bottom Wii Remote style.

ANother interesting take away from this latest rumor, is that something like a splitted Dpad and a share button are things that i would consider late additions in the design pipeline. Things that are added once much of the control design or it's most important features are set in stone.

Either, someone is piggybacking from someone else or these things are been purposedly vague and omitting details, to protect a source maybe? In this case im just limiting myself to comment on what's shown to us, if we go with other things one could imagine could work then there would be 1000's of solutions and an even ore chaotic discussion.

oh someone is most definitely piggy backing but apparently you're an asshole if you question said person's credibility even tho no one has yet to show me any proof that said person is credible.

 

[zroid]

Doesn't Nintendo have a patent or something on their "Control Pad" design? Does not make sense why they would change something iconic like that.

 

[Peltz]

Ok, I'm start to thinking how make a ergonomic mockup. So, I try to understand the standard format of current controls. They basic idea is 2 analogic, 1 dpad and 4 front buttons, with a curvature, like that:



That curvature is necessary to maintain the comfort for long playtimes in one of the 3 ways you need to hold the control:


Two hands in the 2 analogics. Most used for full 3D games.


One hand in one analogic and other hand in the buttons.


One hand in the Dpad and other in the buttons. The classic mode.

Most of the games you fix your hand in one of these 3 positions. You can push the others buttons but most of the time your hand will be fixed in that.

Now lets look at 3DS design:

They put the Apad and Dpad in line, but don't do the same on the other site, because they know it will make it bad to hold.

The truth is that, in a portable, the upper part in the best to put the buttons or analogic and the lower is a bad choice.

Sony try to make a tradicional desing with vita, but in the end, the small analogics don't help for long play times.

So, the best we can have in a portable, is put the main buttons or analogic in the upper part. But since it can chance for each game you play, how they can do that?

Simple:

and


The curvature to use different ways is not necessary if you ca always chance the main buttons or pads. Problem solved.

Cool, but this thing can't look like a jigsaw puzzle and be a viable product I think. People will be turned off.

It has to look and feel ergonomic in all form factors.

 

[Nanashrew]

Doesn't Nintendo have a patent or something on their "Control Pad" design? Does not make sense why they would change something iconic like that.

They did up until 2005. Their D-pad is no longer under patent.

 

[James Scott]

I just realized something. What of the shoulder buttons for the two halves?

LPVG says they're looking into it. I'm interested. No one has mentioned the scroll wheels, analog triggers, or anything really.
Especially if the controllers are supposed to function like Wii Mote/Vive controllers when detached.
A bit of a prediction/wishful thinking:
Like the L button on the 3DS boat, the shoulder buttons are going to be part of the system with ZR/ZL being on the detachable unit
Would make the until smaller and allow for more games to be playable with only the touch screen if you decide not to bring your controller

 

[zroid]

They did up until 2005. Their D-pad is no longer under patent.

ah, I see.

 

[BY2K]

LPVG says they're looking into it. I'm interested. No one has mentioned the scroll wheels, analog triggers, or anything really.
Especially if the controllers are supposed to function like Wii Mote/Vive controllers when detached.
A bit of a prediction/wishful thinking:
Like the L button on the 3DS boat, the shoulder buttons are going to be part of the system with ZR/ZL being on the detachable unit

The scrolling shoulder wheels WOULD have been mentioned for sure if they were there. I don't think those are happening.

 

[Yokai]

I think emily is full of shit. she's always saying something but never has any proof. :|

Right?


I feel like we've had a ton of rumors from her that haven't materialized, some of which being outright incorrect.

 

[BY2K]

I think emily is full of shit. she's always saying something but never has any proof. :|

She told me what was in today's report before the article came out.

 

[doop_]

She told me what was in today's report before the article came out.

And why should we trust you

 

[Father_Brain]

She told me what was in today's report before the article came out.

She's not infallible, of course (female Link says hi), but no one person ever is.

 

[evanmisha]

There's a reason why people give Emily Rogers credibility. She's been dead on a number of times and when she's not, we often find out she was right but a project got cancelled after the fact (like GTA on the Wii U).

This is totally anecdotal, but I can't think of anything she completely missed the mark on.

Granted, Mother 3 when.

EDIT: Ah, female Link. There's one. I guess Soul Calibur Wii U too.

 

[10k]

She told me what was in today's report before the article came out.

Ditto.

 

[Brad Grenz]

I think they'll use that Sharp LCD technology to put tiny displays in the split D-pad that will change from arrows to ABXY when detached for horizontal use.

 

[10k]

I think they'll use that Sharp LCD technology to put tiny displays in the split D-pad that will change from arrows to ABXY when detached for horizontal use.

This sound bad ass and I like it. What's the battery drain on that feature though?

 

[majik13]

I think they'll use that Sharp LCD technology to put tiny displays in the split D-pad that will change from arrows to ABXY when detached for horizontal use.

Thats basically what we were talking about in here earlier today. That if you decide to flip the right side controller. So analog is on bottom and face buttons on top or vice versa the button oreintation would flip as well on the LCD buttons. Thats if you can attach each split controller from either side in the first place. Made me think of the free form display stuff, but not sure that would relate to multiple face buttons/dpad.

Would be cool if the buttons showed custom icons and what not, they could animate to show you how to do moves(Hydoken firebal), or pulse when an item is charged up, etc.

Ugh, getting ahead of myself.

 

[Roto Prime]

This sound bad ass and I like it. What's the battery drain on that feature though?

What if the screen is like a kindle......................on the buttons i mean.

 

[partime]

People love abusing their sticks & buttons. I can't imagine how frustrated I'd be having it slide out during Olli Olli, or after wear & tear having each individual circle become loose, wiggling in the socket.

 

[Roto Prime]

People love abusing their sticks & buttons. I can't imagine how frustrated I'd be having it slide out during Olli Olli, or after wear & tear having each individual circle become loose, wiggling in the socket.

Im sure it will have a cover that locks in like the GBA slot for the DS lite for the sticks and d-pad and buttons. My guess anyways.

 

[bigpumbaa]

ICONIC

Welcome to my
Caucasian home.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

She's not infallible, of course (female Link says hi), but no one person ever is.

She never said anything about a female Link.
At least when saying she got something wrong, be right about it.

 

[Retromelon]

Please no more circle pads nintendo, they are terrible at recognizing any subtle movements. And could you put out an ergonomic portable for once, trying to play mario kart 7 with the 3ds's shoulder buttons was an excruciating experience

 

[deleted]

Simple:

and


The curvature to use different ways is not necessary if you ca always chance the main buttons or pads. Problem solved.

Just to add to this trail of thought:

You wouldn't have to switch out the buttons or dpads like in the patent. If the rumors are right, it's enough to rearrange the two pads that stick on the sides of the system to the other side as to change up the position of the buttons and the stick.

 

[Mihael Mello Keehl]

Welcome to my
Caucasian home.

Honestly, honestly

 

[guek]

She told me what was in today's report before the article came out.

Ditto.

Throw me in among those vouching for her. She's not bandwagoning here.

 

[Dark Cloud]

I'm starting to wonder who she didn't tell because apparently most of you already knew this stuff...

 

[tali'zorah84]

Honestly, honestly

Truly...