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PlayStation Meeting announced. September 7th 3PM ET (PS4 Neo Reveal)
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Obliterator
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Someone somewhere mentioned that Sony 1st party studios asked for more RAM for the Neo. Can't for the life of me remember who or where. I think it was in one if the various Neo threads
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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Never give up gaf.
Since the inception of videogames, it was always about games. Not blast processing, not power differential, but the sheer breadth of good quality games on a particular system. Personally i don't think Neo being 2TF weaker than Scorpio will affect the sales in any significance, especially if former is released one year in advance.
Players who thirst for every bit of processing power are already playing on much stronger rigs and have huge Steam libraries. If they look at the console space, it's only because of exclusives (that's why Nintendo will always do good and have an audience no matter what). They won't get Neo or Scorpio.
So the target demographics are console players. Players won't switch their primary platform and leave their friends just because there's a Neo or Scorpio on the market. Primarily Playstation players who can afford it will get Neo doesn't matter if it's 4.2TF or 5.5TF, and their decision will not be impacted by Scorpio staying 6TF or going to 8TF.
It's all ultimately a great deal we get as consumers. I'd personally want a $399 4.2TF console, and spend that saved money on more content.
Players who thirst for every bit of processing power are already playing on much stronger rigs and have huge Steam libraries. If they look at the console space, it's only because of exclusives (that's why Nintendo will always do good and have an audience no matter what). They won't get Neo or Scorpio.
So the target demographics are console players. Players won't switch their primary platform and leave their friends just because there's a Neo or Scorpio on the market. Primarily Playstation players who can afford it will get Neo doesn't matter if it's 4.2TF or 5.5TF, and their decision will not be impacted by Scorpio staying 6TF or going to 8TF.
It's all ultimately a great deal we get as consumers. I'd personally want a $399 4.2TF console, and spend that saved money on more content.
Tarnpanzer
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For 12gb, you need a 384-Bit interface.
Won't happen...
Won't happen...
I seen that as well in a Neo thread. Weren't devs discussing it on Twitter or something? Or was it a post by OsirisBlack? Can't remember but 1st party devs definitely asked for more RAM.
matrix-cat
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JuanLatino
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not since e3 2015
Obliterator
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It wasn't Osiris but I can't remember who said it.
Tarnpanzer
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They get 0,5gb more from the reserved RAM-pool of the OS, thats it.
And some people expect Red Dead 3 to be there, lol.
disco potato
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I know what you're talking about. What I'm saying is that 12GB isn't a normal gddr5 configuration. With RAM prices being what they are, why go after custom chips? If they are bumping RAM, it's not going to be 10 or 12Gb.
geordiemp
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Neo has roughly same components as slim except the optical out....
So for the box to be bigger than OG Ps4 there must be some serious overclocking above the leaked specs to need that space.
I am guessing
2.4 Ghz PUMA CPU
5.2 TF GPU (effectively a lower clock 480)
Big quality cooler
12 - 16 GB RAM - Makes no sense to go for 4K without room for textures
Upped the RAM speed or bus width for more bandwidth
SATA 3 Hard drive connections, space for larger HD
$ 499
So for the box to be bigger than OG Ps4 there must be some serious overclocking above the leaked specs to need that space.
I am guessing
2.4 Ghz PUMA CPU
5.2 TF GPU (effectively a lower clock 480)
Big quality cooler
12 - 16 GB RAM - Makes no sense to go for 4K without room for textures
Upped the RAM speed or bus width for more bandwidth
SATA 3 Hard drive connections, space for larger HD
$ 499
THE:MILKMAN
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That was KennyLinder. He doesn't know as yet if their request was met.
I do think though it would most likely be a bigger portion of the 8GB than extra total RAM (say 6GB versus the current 5.5GB for Neo mode). The only "realistic" option for more RAM would be going 16GB or 16 chips. 12GB would require a 384Bit bus on the chip I believe and that ain't happening.
Doesn't really mean anything.
I'd be on board with this. I can imagine this happening, though I didn't check how feasible it all is.
Obliterator
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Yeah I hear you I'm just curious to see what happens there. A large RAM pool can make a huge difference for 4k but as you guys said it would be weird for them to configure a 10 or 12 GB set up, but then again I can't see them putting 16GB in the system.
It's probably just gonna end up the same 8GB with a larger portion given to games.
Wishmaster92
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5TF master Cerny. Make this future proof and a big step up in visuals.
No way GoW is spring 17.
Here's why I personally want more power.
Console games have, for a long time dictated what new graphics tech devs incorporate across consoles and PC. People will dispute this claim but it's very apparent, because when new consoles are released and they're more powerful, we see new graphics technology being used across both platforms. PC's have been able to handle advanced graphical features the consoles have not, but we never see these being utilised because it's just not worth the hassle and costs when only a fraction of the userbase will play on PC compared to consoles when the consoles can't use this tech.
When the PS5 comes out we will see more games using advanced technology which PC'S of today can already handle.
If these step up Consoles like Neo and Scorpio are as powerful as possibly can be at a reasonable price we will see new graphics tech being used on both PC and consoles because now it will become worth it for devs to incorporate. More power invigorates Devs to push the boundaries and we will see the benefits on PC which helps everyone!
Beast PC's with 12TF of processing power don't get access to advanced lighting in games such as RTGI because consoles are too weak. Instead PC'S are held back and are limited to simply a bit better textures, resolution, draw distance etc. If Devs were given more power to play with and use it how they've been saying they will instead of simply targeting 4k we will get these advanced features.
I went off track a bit there but I hope you can understand where I'm coming from.
In short what I'm trying to say is this.
More powerful consoles will entice devs to use graphics techniques that PC can already do but don't because it's not worth it.
Everyone is held back by the power of consoles. PC especially.
LelouchZero
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I strongly believe we'll be seeing Uncharted 4 Neo and Final Fantasy XV, maybe the Last Guardian too, it's pretty much guaranteed to have a Neo mode and it's coming out this year.
I'm not really sure about any other games but we'll probably see more third party games.
They might also mention the recently announced PlayStation Now on PC alongside the wireless adapter.
Yup, this is true, I really hope these new consoles can bring in some great new power, it makes it better for everyone!
I'm not really sure about any other games but we'll probably see more third party games.
They might also mention the recently announced PlayStation Now on PC alongside the wireless adapter.
Yup, this is true, I really hope these new consoles can bring in some great new power, it makes it better for everyone!
It could be Horizon.. My bet is a release in November with an updated Uncharted 4 game included.
You're not getting what we were saying. Devs asked for more RAM to be added, not just released from the current pool.
A MCM with the old APU & a new GPU would be less trouble than designing a new APU with a new GPU in it.
It's been in development for over 4 years.
Darklor01
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I can't recall, but I think the leaked slides in April mentioned the same HDD are launch PS4, however there have been mentions of using a 1tb drive since.
Tarnpanzer
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Yeah, but thats not possible. 16gb is possible, but would be to expensive and 12gb needs an 384-Bit interface, which won't happen.
There are technical limitations with the amount of RAM you can put into a console. It is not like a PC where you can add as much RAM as you wish as long as you have enough slots left.
Does anyone think that with the fact developers have to tailor their games for two different console specs rather than just one it might open them up to including more granular graphics options like in PC games for users to pick and choose what they prefer?
I know it might be unlikely but to me it seems like a good potential catalyst for them to provide console users more of these options, especially if the hardware means Neo could be close to hitting 60fps from a stable 30fps PS4 base game, let users choose lower quality shadows or something to achieve that rather than lumber everyone with 30fps across the board when 60fps might be so close to being achievable..
I know it might be unlikely but to me it seems like a good potential catalyst for them to provide console users more of these options, especially if the hardware means Neo could be close to hitting 60fps from a stable 30fps PS4 base game, let users choose lower quality shadows or something to achieve that rather than lumber everyone with 30fps across the board when 60fps might be so close to being achievable..
PS3? no
Software based PS3 BC is pretty much impossible right now even with Neo's power.
Heck, it wasn't even feasible for Sony to create a software based solution for their PS Now service.
PS2 and PS1 BC is possible though, but those were possible even on the regular ps4 and we still haven't gotten them. Not holding my breath.
People expecting GPU upclocks, a brand new CPU AND 10-12-14-16 RAM are vastly overestimating the point of this device. This thing is not going to change how games work from PS4, and is not supposed to be a generational change, as stated by Sony themselves.
I'll also say that those wanting PC settings should at that point just go for PC, because it seems like that is what you want more than a console. A high end Sony branded PC for 499 that is less open.
I'll also say that those wanting PC settings should at that point just go for PC, because it seems like that is what you want more than a console. A high end Sony branded PC for 499 that is less open.
I can't see this ever happening on consoles and I'm glad
because the effort isn't worth it
BossDarkseid
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M<aybe like TLoU remastered with the 30fps + better shadows thing or 60fps?
In an ideal world (imo) they'd still develop for base PS4 first but just don't lock the framerate so on a basic level the Neo could have higher frame rate for people, and then a tick box for "Enable Neo mode" would be like "Higher res, shadows" or w/e.
With my PS4 slowly dying I am more interested in the Slim/Neo than before, but it'd be pretty cool if say I took an unpatched (to Neo) Uncharted 4, popped it in a Neo and it got some basic advantages (like framerate etc) without needing to be patched. Although I think UC4 is locked to 30fps but I'm pretty sure some PS4 games are unlocked but tend to go no lower than 30 or thereabouts.
It shouldnt be that hard should it? Or do they need to make a Vita emulator or something?
I think it would be a really nice feature
LelouchZero
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16GB could be had by increasing the capacity of the memory chips, I don't think they would have to modify much but it might be expensive to get 8x2GB GDDR5 memory chips.
For 12GB they would have to be some modifications to accommodate the additional memory chips which may be expensive.
Possibly, Insomniac and Sony are pretty close.
Obliterator
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I think the only way we see a new IP there is if Sucker Punch shows up
Colonel Nasty
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I'm positive FF won't be there because it seems Xbox has the marketing. Same with Battlefield. Probably Titanfall, Destiny and Watch Dogs with some first party patches like U4 and Ratchet.
I'm sticking with my prediction of 500$ Neo with 1tb and 299$ slim. Leaked specs.
I'm sticking with my prediction of 500$ Neo with 1tb and 299$ slim. Leaked specs.
disco potato
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With RAM prices being what they are, 16Gb would probably cost them less than a 10-12Gb custom setup. But as other said, 8gb is probably what we'll end up with.
wapplew
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They only show new first party game at E3. If they show SP new game this year, what studio left for new game next E3?
Obliterator
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Oh I'm not anticipating them being there. It's just the only studio I could realistically see having a new IP ready to show. Pretty much all of Sony's other teams are busy.
No they don't. FFXV showed up in both MS and Sony conferences at E3. Square is handling the marketing themselves.
Yeah, this one has Xbox marketing and won't be showing up. Not to mention the PC version has been heavily shown already, there won't be any Neo wow factor for it.
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