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[StarSketch]

I'm aware of sounds like bullshit. I should have realized "ask burb for information" means "I didn't give you all the info and you really need to talk to burb" I'd like of burb confirmed the Incomplete PM, but it's his perorgative as GM.

 

[Fireblend]

Alright, here's some reads. I hope you appreciate them Sawneeks since you were bugging me the most about them.

Melon: So Melon has been active throughout the game; she provided a readlist on D1 in which she said she thought both Bronx and Topo were scum out of our current flips, and that she couldn't make up his mind about Splinter, though she did say she was leaning town on him later. She got some heat during the end of day 1 in the form of 2 votes from Splinter and Barry (plus Sophia expressed suspicion), and during D2 some people suggested they would have been willing to vote for her, but seemingly most couldn't justify that very well. Hasn't really tunneled anyone, except for Verelios a bit during D2, and then today with Sophia/Sketch. Generally I feel ok with Melon; she felt pretty proactive on D1 and D2, and I generally agree with what she's said so far. Very little fluff too. Leaning town.

Nin: Most of his posts come from D1, distributed mostly between his argument for a no-lynch vote, a bit of clashing with Sophia, and a series of reads that he got some heat for since they were mostly null reads. There was some fluff with the Nin 2.2 stuff at the beginning of the day, but his posts have become super short and "dry" lately. He protested the Bronx lynch, and placed a vote on Gorlak and Roy on D1 and D2 without much justification (specially for Gorlak's). A null read for me, mostly because his votes have had little impact in the game, though he's been calling people out specially the Bronx voters. Fake edit: he posted like 20 times in a row just now, consider those outside of the scope of this read.

L_P: I'd call him inactive at best, coasting scum at worst. Less than 40 posts of actual value, voted for Ferret and Gorlak on D1 and D2 respectively, 2 low-impact votes. Ferret's was justified, but Gorlak's was a poke vote it seems? Seems generally frustrated about the state of the game and how he's being perceived, specially after being called out for that Gorlak vote. I like some of his posts and they make more sense than some of my scumreads like Ynnek and Verelios, but it's gonna be a null-leaning-scum nonetheless.

To be honest, their trainer doesn't seem town aligned, but maybe their superior win condition is neutral? I don't like it either way. Are we sure a PR's abilities get sealed when caught though? If they do then regardless of affiliation I'd want the trainers lynched.

Are you caught up with the thread? Because after reading that question I don't think so.

I think I could place my vote on Verelios or Sketch right now. Verelios has been called out by plenty of people throughout the game and I think his flip could strengthen some of my thoughts on players like Melon and Ferret - I tunneled him on D2 but nothing he's said since has made me feel better about him. On the other hand Sketch is, as far as I'm concerned, willfully protecting someone who's blatantly anti-town and holding up the game; the trainer would have my vote if we knew who that was. My other scum reads are inactives and I'd rather lynch people who could yield some info atm.

Gonna go lie down as I still feel terrible. Back later and if not tomorrow.

 

[nin1000]

Let's talk then. What is your current thoughts on the game? Who's your town/scum list. Anything and everything you can share.

I would probably first get rid of sophia/SS since i dont believe that she was cought and if she was cought that she is indeed part of a town team. Then go after Yennek who i read as a first time scum player

Yeah? why do you think that? Not engaging seems very counterproductive in scum hunting. There has been a lull of activity for almost this entire day phase, plenty of time to jump in before Sawneeks called you out.

I just got home : ( Furthermore i read over the day phase and responded to everything that jumped out on me on first sight. Will go over it again and dig deeper.



It's fine if you want to spring-board of my post. As long as you're posting finally.

I disagree that is a better list. The omission of several high profile inactives however you wanna define is very strange.

i agree on that. Thats why i made a follow up post with a list of every remaining player there is to this game.

 

[Gorlak]

sophia gets shouted out by a loud kid.

not cool but thats the game.

Okay. I try to make this clear as calmly as I can right now and believe me that's extremely hard to do.

First of all, are you referring to me?

Secondly did I cross a line? If so WHERE?

I merely brought up my argument against Sophia. I did not follow on who said anything against her or not or whatever happened today, this much should be clear by now. I saw her using the double vote and the response by a mod. Thus I repeated my argument from yesterday. She responded with an empty phrase, I explained myself, she gave me a whatever, she wasn't aware of WHAT I was talking about, this becomes clear in her last post. Am I responsible for her dropping out? Was it overtly aggressive?

My immediate thought was to drop out as well, because this is bullshit. Now I'm being pissed at from the side for something, I don't want to take the responsibility. If I am responsible I will withdraw on the spot. I need opinions here.

Probably the best to talk about it in the main thread because this isn't related to ongoing ingame events.

 

[Verelios]

Alright, I've been quiet today because I was trying to figure out what we should do, but I think I've made up my mind. We have to lynch the trainer. Worst case scenario we lose an incredibly anti town role, more likely we lynch neutral/scum. Either way we would likely only have 1 trainer remaining, which should put this "superior win" bullshit to rest.

Any objections?

If there's no other options I'd support this, but only if we're sure the trainer negates PR's power.

 

[melonrabbit]

I would probably first get rid of sophia/SS since i dont believe that she was cought and if she was cought that she is indeed part of a town team. Then go after Yennek who i read as a first time scum player.

Why don't you believe Sophia/SS has been caught?

i agree on that. Thats why i made a follow up post with a list of every remaining player there is to this game.

I did see your follow-up post. Yes.

I guess I'm just surprised that The G didn't immediately jump to mind when making your list. The G has 9 posts, exactly the same since I called him out earlier. Star has more and she just subbed in.

 

[Burbeting]

NOTE:

Can you all stop the conversation of "<x> made Sophia drop out". She didn't drop out due to any player, but due to issues unrelated to the game. Thanks .

Anyone with any extra inguiry about the issue can PM me directly.

 

[nin1000]

I guess I'm just surprised that The G didn't immediately jump to mind when making your list. The G has 9 posts, exactly the same since I called him out earlier. Star has more and she just subbed in.

I mean that only shows how effective he has been playing until now. He did not leave any impressions. None whatsoever

 

[nin1000]

Why don't you believe Sophia/SS has been caught?

I dont believe the fact that she is in the same team as El-topo. I think she made it up in order to seem town first and the last post of SS just cemented my belief.

What i am trying to say is that no one should take it as granted. Thats why i called Swaneeks out for already implementing something that has been said as a solid fact.

Just telling everyone to watch your backs and question everything

 

[*Splinter]

Okay. I try to make this clear as calmly as I can right now and believe me that's extremely hard to do.

First of all, are you referring to me?

Secondly did I cross a line? If so WHERE?

I merely brought up my argument against Sophia. I did not follow on who said anything against her or not or whatever happened today, this much should be clear by now. I saw her using the double vote and the response by a mod. Thus I repeated my argument from yesterday. She responded with an empty phrase, I explained myself, she gave me a whatever, she wasn't aware of WHAT I was talking about, this becomes clear in her last post. Am I responsible for her dropping out? Was it overtly aggressive?

My immediate thought was to drop out as well, because this is bullshit. Now I'm being pissed at from the side for something, I don't want to take the responsibility. If I am responsible I will withdraw on the spot. I need opinions here.

Probably the best to talk about it in the main thread because this isn't related to ongoing ingame events.

((Relax. I don't know why Sophia dropped out but I don't feel like you (or anyone else) were out of line.))

 

[nin1000]

going to bed now.

I had a great day

 

[*Splinter]

Sorry Burb didn't see your note.

 

[Verelios]

Are you caught up with the thread? Because after reading that question I don't think so.

I think I could place my vote on Verelios or Sketch right now. Verelios has been called out by plenty of people throughout the game and I think his flip could strengthen some of my thoughts on players like Melon and Ferret - I tunneled him on D2 but nothing he's said since has made me feel better about him. On the other hand Sketch is, as far as I'm concerned, willfully protecting someone who's blatantly anti-town and holding up the game; the trainer would have my vote if we knew who that was. My other scum reads are inactives and I'd rather lynch people who could yield some info atm.

Gonna go lie down as I still feel terrible. Back later and if not tomorrow.

Again, is there any proof the trainer negated PR powers? Earlier in the thread there was an interesting discussion on Sophia/Sketch's power which I thought fit; double vote has a cool down after use. So I can't be sure on that. Which other one are you talking about from the flips?

Most of things you say have a tone of generality, like you're not sure if you can explain but also want to seem as if you're putting in the effort to. This is the main problem I have with your posts, none of them have any substance. Instead there's a constant piggy backing on others arguments and deflecting to them whenever you need to give specifics.

I'm not sure how I'd read this, because after I fucked up with Royal I'm unsure of what tells to look for, but if you have reads give an effort to substantiate them, that's all.

 

[*Splinter]

How do you plan to figure out who the trainer is though? Pressure Sketch into revealing it?

Sure? I don't see why not?

If we agree as a group that this is what we should do then Sketch doesn't have any way to justify refusing to cooperate.

 

[roytheone]

I dont believe the fact that she is in the same team as El-topo. I think she made it up in order to seem town first and the last post of SS just cemented my belief.

What i am trying to say is that no one should take it as granted. Thats why i called Swaneeks out for already implementing something that has been said as a solid fact.

Just telling everyone to watch your backs and question everything

Isn't that a huge risk though? I assume someone got added to team topo last night, so if its a lie she could have been easily countered. Even if nobody got caught last night by that team, everybody that gets caught later and doesn't see sophiasketch in the chat would know she lied.

 

[*Splinter]

Again, is there any proof the trainer negated PR powers? Earlier in the thread there was an interesting discussion on Sophia/Sketch's power which I thought fit; double vote has a cool down after use. So I can't be sure on that. Which other one are you talking about from the flips?

We don't have proof exactly, but both Topo and Sophia have claimed it.

 

[*Splinter]

I'm aware of sounds like bullshit. I should have realized "ask burb for information" means "I didn't give you all the info and you really need to talk to burb" I'd like of burb confirmed the Incomplete PM, but it's his perorgative as GM.

I don't expect Burb to confirm this, but I can believe it anyway.

 

[nin1000]

Isn't that a huge risk though? I assume someone got added to team topo last night, so if its a lie she could have been easily countered. Even if nobody got caught last night by that team, everybody that gets caught later and doesn't see sophiasketch in the chat would know she lied.

Fair point right there Roy. That only leaves the other option open that she might got caught by a sum faction. Will have to sleep over it. I hope Yennek TgD Salva and all the other inactives show up.

 

[melonrabbit]

Isn't that a huge risk though? I assume someone got added to team topo last night, so if its a lie she could have been easily countered. Even if nobody got caught last night by that team, everybody that gets caught later and doesn't see sophiasketch in the chat would know she lied.

The only way I could see this working is if the other person added to Topo team was also scum and therefore won't counter her gambit.

 

[Dusk Soldier]

Blarg keeps bubbling about revealing who el topos trainer might be

Spoiler

never reveals anything but goes back into the darkness and everyone takes it as granted.

Blarg did come back. He thinks the trainer was Ynnek7.

And tell me, who has an avatar of a mountain top? Of someone "leaving" for the mountain top?

Why, none other than--

Ynnek7.

Tell me; why would El Topo say something like that about a mountain top, twice even? The sayings just stick out too much. Especially in the context of the PiR mention, and it just so happens that Ynnek7's got a PiR, mountain-climbing avatar. Huh.

We know he had to have been caught on N1, it was the only opportunity for a Trainer to do so, and these posts of his were Yesterday, D2; the very same Day during which he decided to claim being captured, before his oh-so untimely demise last Night.

Therefore, your Trainer, Sophia, according to what you have alleged Today regarding your capture and the identity of said captor being of the same personage as El Topo's, must be Ynnek7.

NOW WHAT

 

[*Splinter]

Topo, Sophia, and now Sketch have all townread the trainer, so if it's anyone other than Sawneeks or maybe Roy I'm going to be very disappointed in them for not revealing sooner.

 

[Verelios]

Topo, Sophia, and now Sketch have all townread the trainer, so if it's anyone other than Sawneeks or maybe Roy I'm going to be very disappointed in them for not revealing sooner.

Well, the moment they reveal is the day they die, not surprised they're hesitant

 

[*Splinter]

Well, the moment they reveal is the day they die, not surprised they're hesitant

No I mean Sophia/Sketch should have revealed by now. I don't expect the trainer to reveal themselves.

 

[Unmasked Ferret]

Or, crazy new (impossibly dumb) idea. Ty was Topo's trainer, and upon seeing Ty's flip scum Sophia(now Sketch) assumed this and decided to take a bit of an unnecessary gambit claiming to have been captured by the same trainer. Either no one else would step up to confirm or deny this because they couldn't, or she would potentially out another player as having been captured (not really useful info) or even the trainer maybe.

I kinda doubt anyone would actually do this (it's a really not smart plan), and it hinges on a few things we don't really know now such as how much info Topo was making up for his own weird play, and whether or not Ty caught any Pokemon. Still the thought of it made me laugh.

 

[SalvaPot]

I completely forgot about the game.

 

[StarSketch]

No I mean Sophia/Sketch should have revealed by now. I don't expect the trainer to reveal themselves.

Wait, what?

"Revealing the Trainer will probably get them killed"

"SophiaSketch needs to reveal the trainer if they're town"

I get why you guys are adamant about this (dat Roleblock) but I swear we were NOT supposed to actively kill off town players.

 

[Verelios]

I completely forgot about the game.

Convenient

 

[*Splinter]

Wait, what?

"Revealing the Trainer will probably get them killed"

"SophiaSketch needs to reveal the trainer if they're town"

I get why you guys are adamant about this (dat Roleblock) but I swear we were NOT supposed to actively kill off town players.

Spoiler alert:

Spoiler

Your trainer isn't town

 

[Verelios]

Wait, what?

"Revealing the Trainer will probably get them killed"

"SophiaSketch needs to reveal the trainer if they're town"

I get why you guys are adamant about this (dat Roleblock) but I swear we were NOT supposed to actively kill off town players.

The thing is, at this point we're down 5 town, 0 scum caught. We have to latch on to any lead that can help us and strip away anything detrimental.

 

[SalvaPot]

All right, I caught up, or at least I got the gist of it.

Sophia, I voted for you right out the gate because I wanted to check if your Piplup claim was true, as well as check if you still had shots. Your continued survival in the subsequent nights since your outing yourself as a PR, in addition to your contributing to the lynch both days, read very suspiciously to me.

However, now that you have been caught by El Topo's trainer, I'm going to trust their judgment if this is true. It seems that all (catchable) Pokemon are town. I don't want another townie to die, so I'll ease off if you attempt a double. Topo said that his PR is disabled after his trainer caught him, and so even if your power isn't one-shot, your double failing will tell ease my fears about you.



Maybe I missed something, but there actually anything conclusive about Barry's (and his successor's) alignment? There was a lot of redacted stuff in his flip.

El Topo and Sophia didn't get to be a part of the trainer's chat at no cost-- the Pokemon lose their PR. Ty's Pokemon can't talk to him, only to each other, but it looks like they retain their PR. I'm not sure yet which is more advantageous for either trainer.

I know Splinter already tackled this one, but it really seems really obvious to me. This part in particular caught my attention.

It seems that all (catchable) Pokemon are town. I don't want another townie to die, so I'll ease off if you attempt a double.

But the dead pm clearly states that you can catch pokemon... and they keep their alignment, so its clear there should be scum pokemon or neutral pokemon, its just to be expected.

But then Why put so many eggs on this basket? I think he is trying to get town confused about the facts on purpose and at the same time voice how townie he is by saying he doesn't want more townies to die... hmm...

Vote: TheGoddamn

 

[SalvaPot]

Convenient

Sue me.

 

[StarSketch]

...fuck it.

Vote: TheGoddamn

If this backfires, I blame Splinter for being so damn pushy about this.

 

[Burbeting]

gorlak (0)
sawneeks 1621 (1651)

lone_prodigy (0)
sophia 1626 (1639)

thegoddamn (4)
sawneeks 1651
*splinter 1660
sophia 1720 (1720)
sophia 1720 (1720)
salvapot 1880
starsketch 1882

starsketch (1)
dusk soldier 1771

stanleypalmtree (0)
stanleypalmtree 1773 (1782)
stanleypalmtree 1773 (1782)

roytheone (0)
gorlak 1793 (1801)

*splinter (1)
gorlak 1801

ynnek7 (1)
nin1000 1822

 

[*Splinter]

Oh, well that's convenient.

VOTE: TheGoddamn

Don't turbo please, I'd like to double check Sophia's (and I guess Topo's) interactions with Darryl/TheG

 

[*Splinter]

Oh my vote was already there. Lol

 

[StarSketch]

Sophia got caught N1, btw, so checking Darryl is mostly pointless.

 

[StarSketch]

I mean N2. I'm dumb.

 

[Verelios]

I'll reserve my vote until I'm sure. Hopefully, TGD joins us sometime to answer questions

 

[melonrabbit]

unvote

I feel more a town vibe from SS than I did with Sophia. I'm still not ... completely convinced. However, I am OK getting rid of some of the dead-weight.

I would like to hear what, if anything, The G has to say.

 

[Unmasked Ferret]

Wait, why would TheG go through that stuff at the start of the day if he had captured Sophia? I'm very confused. G please come back and explain.

Also if true then parts of this post just seems like he's laughing as he typed it. It's kinda clever.

 

[SalvaPot]

I'll reserve my vote until I'm sure. Hopefully, TGD joins us sometime to answer questions

...you are his partner, aren't you.

 

[melonrabbit]

gorlak (0)
sawneeks 1621 (1651)

lone_prodigy (0)
sophia 1626 (1639)

thegoddamn (4)
sawneeks 1651
*splinter 1660
sophia 1720 (1720)
sophia 1720 (1720)
salvapot 1880
starsketch 1882

starsketch (1)
dusk soldier 1771

Wait. Did my vote for SS not ever go through?

 

[*Splinter]

...you are his partner, aren't you.

Partner?

 

[SalvaPot]

Partner?

scum mate.

 

[StarSketch]

Wait, why would TheG go through that stuff at the start of the day if he had captured Sophia? I'm very confused. G please come back and explain.

Also if true then parts of this post just seems like he's laughing as he typed it. It's kinda clever.

According to the group thread:

G got his capture alert via discord and missed it. As a result he assumed his failure to catch Sophia meant she was scum. Then Sophia posted in the thread and he was like "oh whoops I fucked up"

 

[melonrabbit]

According to the group thread:

G got his capture alert via discord and missed it. As a result he assumed his failure to catch Sophia meant she was scum. Then Sophia posted in the thread and he was like "oh whoops I fucked up"

Huh? I'm so confused by all this.

So you are now confirming G is your trainer.

 

[StarSketch]

Huh? I'm so confused by all this.

So you are now confirming G is your trainer.

...fuck it.

Vote: TheGoddamn

If this backfires, I blame Splinter for being so damn pushy about this.

.

 

[Dusk Soldier]

Vote: TheGodDamn

 

[melonrabbit]

.

Oh. I misread that. Originally thought you were following Salva's lead.

 

[Sawneeks]

...huh.

Well, an interesting turn of events to say the least. My vote on TheG stays, as do my questions for him as well as the questions everyone else has already asked because you all stole what I wanted to say. >.>;

ok but what about a 2 town 1 mafia scenario ?

The thing that bothered me is that you are stating something that sophia /SS said as a fact. That she was indeed caught.

Hm, possible. Considering our win is to remove all 'forces that may disrupt the town' I assume it means we have a Neutral running around. I feel like it could easily fit into a Neutral Trainer who needs to win by having the biggest Team, but I suppose a more 'normal' Neutral would also work as well. Either way I still believe 1 Trainer to be Scum or else that would be weirdly unbalanced for the Scum Team.

And it's already been covered between you and Melon, but I find it odd that you think Star/Sophia was lying about being caught. If they were lying it would just take the Trainer to reveal themselves and say 'no i didn't catch Sophia/Sketch' and we would turn around and lynch them. I mean, it could be a Scum ploy to get the Trainer to reveal but that would mean Scum!Sophia/Star would just be walking into a lynch by lying about being caught.

OK. I think I am finally following this roleblocker trainer discussion coherently. I did wonder what would happen if scum caught Pokemon that have an ability it would make the team far too powerful if scum could also absorb all the abilities like that.

Moreover, do you think that each trainer has an added ability or just in the case of the scum trainer?

Seeing as Ty couldn't speak to his caught Pokemon and the Mystery Trainer ( TheG? ) roleblocks the Pokemon he catches then I think it's a safe assumption to make. Gaga was also mostly [redacted] and while one of those is probably the win condition, the other is probably whatever caveat is in place for that Trainer. What I'm wondering is if the stipulation is based on the alignment of the Trainer ( with the Town-Neutral-Scum Trainers they would all be different ) or if it's just all different in general ( Nin's 2 Town 1 Scum idea with the 2 Town Trainers having different rules )

Alright, here's some reads. I hope you appreciate them Sawneeks since you were bugging me the most about them.

Gonna go lie down as I still feel terrible. Back later and if not tomorrow.

I do appreciate them, thank you Fire. c:

Feel better! <3

If there's no other options I'd support this, but only if we're sure the trainer negates PR's power.

Sophia couldn't use her Doublevote this Day phase.

if that's not confirmation idk what is