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Police kill unarmed black man in California.

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Beefy

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Police officers in El Cajon, a city near San Diego, shot and killed an unarmed black man, prompting crowds to gather at the scene and authorities to call for calm, less than two weeks after similar incidents in two other U.S. cities.

In Tuesday afternoon's incident in El Cajon, two officers responded to calls that an African-American man in his 30s was walking in traffic and "not acting like himself," El Cajon police said.

Days earlier, in Charlotte, North Carolina and in Tulsa, Oklahoma, police and shot and killed black men, igniting protests against racial bias in U.S. policing and demands for greater accountability for officers.

In Charlotte, rioting prompted the authorities to impose a state of emergency and curfew.

Officers found the man behind a restaurant at about 2 p.m. PDT (2100 GMT) and ordered him to remove his hand from his pocket, police said. After he refused, one officer drew a firearm and the other readied a Taser device, police said.

The man paced back and forth as the officers tried to talk to him with their weapons pointed at him, police said.

Moments later, he pulled an object from his front pants pocket, placed both hands together and extended them toward an officer in "what appeared to be a shooting stance," police said

The officers then simultaneously shot and used the Taser on the man, who died after being taken to the hospital, police said. Officials have not identified him.

No weapon was found at the scene, El Cajon Police Chief Jeff Davis told a news conference hours after the shooting. He did not said what the man was pointing. The officers were placed on administrative leave, which is standard procedure in such incidents.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSKCN11Y0SV

Since the link in your post only has a recap of today's news, here's the official information sheet including a picture:

http://www.cityofelcajon.us/Home/Co...?backlist=/your-government/departments/police


UPDATE:


http://www.theroot.com/articles/news...lice-shooting/

Updated Wednesday, Sept. 28, 2:17 a.m. EDT: According to activists on the ground in El Cajon, the police department informed media that it was aware its officers were responding to a “5150” call when Olango was killed. The name of the police officer who killed Olango has not been released.
A “5150” call is defined as:

When a person, as a result of a mental disorder, is a danger to himself/herself or others or is gravely disabled, a peace officer, a member of the attending staff, or another professional person designated by the county may with probable cause take the person into custody and place him or her in a facility for a 72-hour treatment and evaluation.

This information appears to be confirmed by police scanner audio shared by United Against Police Terror—San Diego Copwatch & Campaign for Justice. Calls to the El Cajon Police Department to confirm the authenticity of the audio have not been returned.

Thanx to Moltisanti for the update.


Shoot me I'm black and mental ill if old.
 

sphagnum

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Kind of sounds like suicide by cop or a mental illness if true.

Also what parent thought it was a good idea to name their kid Jeff Davis?
 
Suicide by cop?

Mental Illness from the sound of it. Cops need better training to deal with mentally ill people.

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Are there protocols for police to deal with people with obvious mental issues?

Sure, kill them apparently. Mental health is one of those things that america(especially black america) still sleeps on. My personal psychologist was schooling me about it not too long ago. Mental issues are downplayed immediately when it comes to black people.
 

Dalibor68

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Sure, kill them apparently. Mental health is one of those things that america(especially black america) still sleeps on. My personal psychologist was schooling me about it not too long ago. Mental issues are downplayed immediately when it comes to black people.

What are you talking about? Did you see the picture and read the report? They could be the best psychiatrists in the world, when you're being told to pull your hands away from your suspicious pockets you don't suddenly make a quick motion of acting like you have a gun and aim it at police. You will get shot.
 

JudgeN

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Its a shame but you gotta stop calling the police if you want to help someone while keeping them alive. It just not what they do, you call the police when you want someone dead.

Maybe we should try calling the fire department or hospital.
 

Beefy

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What are you talking about? Did you see the picture and read the report? They could be the best psychiatrists in the world, when you're being told to pull your hands away from your suspicious pockets you don't suddenly make a quick motion of acting like you have a gun and aim it at police. You will get shot.

Again still shouldn't happen. American cops need more training.
 

Skilletor

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What are you talking about? Did you see the picture and read the report? They could be the best psychiatrists in the world, when you're being told to pull your hands away from your suspicious pockets you don't suddenly make a quick motion of acting like you have a gun and aim it at police. You will get shot.

Looks like he's imitating them.

So why did they approach a person with guns drawn? Why do we have to forgive cops for unnecessarily escalating these situations. Fuck this. Stop excusing cops for murdering people. They are accountable for their fucking actions.
 
You mean to tell me these two cops couldn't subdue this one man physically without resorting to killing him? What an exaggeration of force being used here.
 
If it wasn't possible for every citizen to potentially be carrying a gun then perhaps the police wouldn't be so trigger happy.

Again it comes down to the stupid 2nd amendment.
 

Dalibor68

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Looks like he's imitating them.

So why did they approach a person with guns drawn? Why do we have to forgive cops for unnecessarily escalating these situations. Fuck this. Stop excusing cops for murdering people. They are accountable for their fucking actions.

Maybe read the report.

The subject refused multiple instructions by the first officer on scene to remove his concealed hand from in his pocket. Because the subject did not comply the officer drew his firearm and pointed it at the subject while continuing to give him instructions to remove his hand from his pocket.



The second responding officer arrived on scene and immediately prepared to deploy a less lethal electronic control device while the other officer covered.



The subject paced back and forth while officers tried to talk to him. At one point, the subject rapidly drew an object from his front pants pocket, placed both hands together and extended them rapidly toward the officer taking up what appeared to be a shooting stance. At this time, the officer with the electronic control device discharged his weapon. Simultaneously, the officer with the firearm discharged his weapon several times, striking the subject.
 
It's like the police petulantly thought "oh you think shooting is too much force, well then we're going to tase AND shoot from now on, how'd you like that?"
 

Dalibor68

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It's like the police petulantly thought "oh you think shooting is too much force, well then we're going to tase AND shoot from now on, how'd you like that?"

Please, read the report before making shitposts like this. The second officer was about to use his taser when the suspect made the sudden move imitating the pulling-out of a gun and aiming it at the officer. Link is in the OP.
 

JudgeN

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What the point of 1 officer using a taser and one offer using a gun? Then firing them both at the same time? This happened in the Crutcher case as well and it just seems pointless.
 

TyrantII

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Still shouldn't be a thing.

But how?

It takes a fraction of a second to reach into a pocket and make a gesture like you have a weapon like in the picture above.

If we're going to delegate mental health issues to police, maybe they should have special plain clothes units tasked with call, buy good luck getting any funding.

Suicide by cop is a very tricky issue.
 
What are you talking about? Did you see the picture and read the report? They could be the best psychiatrists in the world, when you're being told to pull your hands away from your suspicious pockets you don't suddenly make a quick motion of acting like you have a gun and aim it at police. You will get shot.

I'm talking about how that mentally ill man probably didn't get any help before this. He committed suicide for a reason.
 

Manbig

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While these instances are always troubling, I can't really fault the cops on this one. Risking letting it go beyond that means risking getting shot.
 

Beefy

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But how?

It takes a fraction of a second to reach into a pocket and make a gesture like you have a weapon like in the picture above.

If we're going to delegate mental health issues to police, maybe they should have special plain clothes units tasked with call, buy good luck getting any funding.

Suicide by cop is a very tricky issue.

You really think that people with a mental health problems should be left to the point they are killed by cop?
 

Henkka

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I did.

In that report, they already have weapons drawn.

Why? Why is somebody not listening to you means to draw your weapon?

Well, what if he had a gun in his pocket? Cops approach without their weapons drawn. Takes him 1 second to pull out his gun, bang bang. Two cops dead, nothing they could've done about it.
 

Beefy

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Well, what if he had a gun in his pocket? Cops approach without their weapons drawn. Takes him 1 second to pull out his gun, bang bang. Two cops dead, nothing they could've done about it.

What if they only tazered the guy, he would still be alive.
 

Dalibor68

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I did.

In that report, they already have weapons drawn.

Why? Why is somebody not listening to you means to draw your weapon?

I find it perfectly reasonable to draw your gun on a non-cooperating suspect who is potentially armed and potentially mentally impaired/instable thus making a sudden, irrational act more likely.
 

Skilletor

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Well, what if he had a gun in his pocket? Cops approach without their weapons drawn. Takes him 1 second to pull out his gun, bang bang. Two cops dead, nothing they could've done about it.

Let's assume everybody is going to kill us sounds like a great way to serve and protect.

I find it perfectly reasonable to draw your gun on a non-cooperating suspect who is potentially armed and potentially mentally impaired/instable thus making a sudden, irrational act more likely.

Okay. I don't. You should only draw your gun if you intend to kill. I've heard people say repeatedly that cops aren't trained to maim or impair. They shoot to kill. A gun shouldn't be used to coerce people into behaving. You think somebody is going to respond more rationally when you've got a gun pointed at them? They're showing you they will kill you. That is not going to get people to behave rationally.
 

TyrantII

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You really think that people with a mental health problems should be left to the point they are killed by cop?

Who said that?

It should never get to this point, and the police shouldn't have to deal with it. But, we don't live in that country. In this country mental health funding is cut, not expanded.
 

Media

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There needs to be a specific mental health crisis division at every police precinct. With but loads of training on how help people that are having a crisis instead of hurting them.

RIP.
 

DrArchon

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RIP. sad this guy couldn't get help before this.

This seems like the biggest issue for me. It's tragic that the cops couldn't de-escalate the situation, but if mental health services were actually functional in this country then maybe the situation would've never popped up.
 
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