But Marvel's batman is "Fuck The Police"Let's see what Marvel's Batman says
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Do Batman's parents need to be murdered?
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Shut up old man
Batman at least needs some sort of traumatic event I feel. Some part of his brain has to snap for him to decide that dressing up in a goofy costume in punching thugs is a good idea. I'm not sure if both his parents need to be murdered, or if you can have one murdered and one die of natural causes, but one of them's got to go.
I wonder what it would take though for Batman not to have his strong "no kill" code of ethics. I mean, would it take an even more traumatic event, like the death of his hypothetical wife and kids (the Punisher route), or would it just require him to have no morally just guardian raising him after his parent's death (meaning no Alfred).
I wonder what it would take though for Batman not to have his strong "no kill" code of ethics. I mean, would it take an even more traumatic event, like the death of his hypothetical wife and kids (the Punisher route), or would it just require him to have no morally just guardian raising him after his parent's death (meaning no Alfred).
beyond_death
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Batman is Batman because his parents were murdered in front of him. Do they have to die for someone to decide to become a vigilante? Nope. But that's another character.
Batmans origin is very important to his mythos. This might be an unpopular opinion of mine but I actually think not enough references were made in the Nolan movies past Begins. I've always thought the very last shot of Rises should have been Bruce at their graves.
Batmans origin is very important to his mythos. This might be an unpopular opinion of mine but I actually think not enough references were made in the Nolan movies past Begins. I've always thought the very last shot of Rises should have been Bruce at their graves.
QuantumBro
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If his parents didn't get murdered when he was a kid, he would've turned into Trump.
Rabbi_Vole
Banned
They should always die, but I'd like to see a filmmaker shake things up. You could have his parents die protecting Batmans secret identity. Maybe toss in a tornado.
Only if he gets raped in prison
Fluffernutter Pancake
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Not sure how he becomes Batman with his parents breathing down his neck. Not only would the motivation not be there as strongly but he'd have no freedom to set up the Batcave and use his vast fortune privately until his parents both were dead, and by then, hed be well past his physical prime.
BronsonLee
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Got damn it Snyder
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
No way, Trump didn't have an Alfred Pennyworth to teach him how to behave like a real human being.
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Lord Virgin
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No.
Maybe he is just bored.
Maybe he is just bored.
Memento Mori
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That would have meant more if Daredevil's own father wasn't killed by the mob.Let's see what Marvel's Batman says
Barry Allen did it for him
Man Called Aerodynamics
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Flashpoint Thomas Wayne is best Batman anyway.
King Tubby
Member
What if Batman's dad just got slapped around a bit and then his parents got divorced shortly afterwards and it was messy and she took the house and the car
They already did Thomas Wayne might have been cheating on Bruce's mom
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
What if a turkey crashed through the window instead of a bat?
Principate
Saint Titanfall
He wasn't bitten by a radioactive spider in the first set of movies.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
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Yup, an awesome way to become a superhero. Still the goat backstory.
But was the death of his father his motivation to become Daredevil? IIRC He became DD well after he got revenge on his father's killers. He became DD because the law was incapable of putting criminals like Fisk away.
Sgt. Kabukiman
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Our lord and saviour Grant Morrison explored that idea in Batman RIP / Final Crisis.
Yes.
A different superhero can absolutely exist without that exact trauma.
Batman as we know him cannot. Some aspect of him would need significant re-tooling.
The drive, the skillset, the almost obsessive need to protect life, that exact combination needs something to incite it.
A different superhero can absolutely exist without that exact trauma.
Batman as we know him cannot. Some aspect of him would need significant re-tooling.
The drive, the skillset, the almost obsessive need to protect life, that exact combination needs something to incite it.
LordOfLore
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Apparently what happens in the Bombshell universe. The Wayne's almost get killed by a thug but Batwoman saves their lives and Bruce grows up to become a detective instead(with a bat theme due to his savior). Of course all this takes place in a world where "the present" is WW2 so...
There's an older Batman story called "To Kill a Legend" where he gets a chance to save his parents in an alternative universe.
Spoiler: the Bruce Wayne whose parents live grows up to be Batman anyway.
Here's the relevant panel:
Is that Clark as his father.
Does Superman need to be an alien from another planet?
You're not adding an interesting wrinkle by letting them live, you're tossing out his primary motivation for 75 years. At that point you have a wildly different character. You can do whatever you want with fictional characters, but by that point, you're simply creating an elseworlds variation on a cemented backstory rather than an evolution of one.
You're not adding an interesting wrinkle by letting them live, you're tossing out his primary motivation for 75 years. At that point you have a wildly different character. You can do whatever you want with fictional characters, but by that point, you're simply creating an elseworlds variation on a cemented backstory rather than an evolution of one.
teruterubozu
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Yes, otherwise his Batcave would be the ultimate reference to otaku parents' basement NEET nerd lifestyle.
moltonasty
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Weird question OP, considering it's literally the entire reason he becomes Batman
Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!
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In the Adam West Batman, he only mentions that his parents were murdered in passing a couple of times. It's definitely not an important part of the show. You could remove those couple of lines and the show and character would work fine.
Finaika
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Yeah that part was physically impossible.
Let's see what Marvel's Batman says
But this isn't a response to the thread at all
Batman doesn't believe only tragedy can make one take up the cause, part of his fight is preventing what happened to him from happening to anyone else.
And Barb and Tim and even Damian are his sidekicks that aren't born out of personal tragedies. (Though no idea what Tim's in the new 52)
SYMBOLISM
I wish more cape movies would take a note from Tim Burton's Batman. It was such a great way to handle that origin. Didn't need to open the film with a big retelling of the pearls getting snatched and the bodies falling down. Mid-way through the film, Bruce just visits the theater where they died. No need to waste time dedicating the first half the movie to the origin story when you can just get straight to the superheroing and touch on the origin later.
Superman: Secret Identity answers this question.
Inferno313
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Honestly, I think when it comes to characters like Batman, we're past the point that we need to see the origin at all. Sure, give little visual cues when the story justifies it, but everyone in the world knows Batman's origin at this point. We don't need to see it in film for a good 25 years at this point, imo.
Extra Sauce
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Matter of fact, let's have him be raised by a pack of turtles and rename him Turtle Man.
Let's see what Marvel's Batman says
......wasn't Daredevil's dad murdered by the mob?
Sgt. Kabukiman
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Superhero origin stories should automatically be skipped nowadays. Tim Burton had the right idea. Once you get past Batman, Superman and Spider-Man, most origins stories are either boring or redundant. That's one of the reasons I'm a little apprehensive about the Doctor Strange movie. I like the character but I really don't give a shit about his origin story.
ffejeromdiks
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Isn't Batman the OG "fuck the police" comic book hero?
Wasn't there a controversy over depicting the GCPD as fundamentally corrupt? Depicting the police in a negative way in mass media was super edgy at the time.
Wag
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I mean, he clearly does the Batman thing in part because he enjoys beating people up, which comes from his Mommy/Daddy issues and being helpless that night.
Without that, there's just no motivation. He does a lot of good obviously but let's not pretend it isn't cathartic for him.
Without that, there's just no motivation. He does a lot of good obviously but let's not pretend it isn't cathartic for him.
Let's see what Marvel's Batman says
Chip on the shoulder much dd
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
You could make it work without his parents dying. I've always viewed their murder as being an extremely traumatic experience that opened his eyes to how broken Gotham is. Even if they're just shot and hospitalized, that could be a wakeup call to a young Bruce. Throw in a little family obligation in there too. That the Wayne family has always been a force for change in Gotham and Batman is Bruce's attempt at keeping that legacy going.
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