The Buzzfeed article headline doesn't say anything about Trump, it only says alt-right.
Good on them.
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Oculus Diversity Program Members Shocked And Dismayed By Founders Alt-Right Ties
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The Buzzfeed article headline doesn't say anything about Trump, it only says alt-right.
Good on them.
Green Yoshi
Member
It's more about that:
"Nimble America says its dedicated to proving that shitposting is powerful and meme magic is real, according to the companys introductory statement, and has taken credit for a billboard its founders say was posted outside of Pittsburgh with a cartoonishly large image of Clintons face alongside the words Too Big to Jail.
We conquered Reddit and drive narrative on social media, conquered the [mainstream media, now its time to get our most delicious memes in front of Americans whether they like it or not, a representative for the group wrote in an introductory post on Reddit."]
Wow, that's so fresh.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
Facebook should say something instead of quietly approving of Palmer.
Lightning_Roller
Banned
Especially considering that Zuckerberg donated to Clinton's campaign and supports her.
Facebook, save yourselves. Throw Palmers ignorant ass under the bus and end this.
The Jackdog
Member
facebook probably wants to keep this as quiet as humanly possible. this big investment can hardly even be called "launched"
Lightning_Roller
Banned
There is no way they can keep this under wraps when there are articles being made ever since it was revealed. That and the big oculus event coming up means that he might be there. Or he might be smart and stay away. Won't help oculus either way though.
NoFaceNico
Member
Um. You mean the guy in Alaska? I think he's Inuit, which would make him Native American, not Asian. But I get your point.
RichiRamjag
Member
Stay on his ass!
Yeah, this is where I am with the coverage of this.
FunkyMunkey
Banned
good, fuck you luckey you're a piece of shit
I get some joy thinking how mad palmer gets when he goes to work having to see all the minorities that have rights and him fuming the company employs them.
I want to see a giant racist like him have to suffer for having the worst kind of prejudices you can have. When will these racist and racist group resize people are just people, we're all equal, just stop judging others because of their skin color
I want to see a giant racist like him have to suffer for having the worst kind of prejudices you can have. When will these racist and racist group resize people are just people, we're all equal, just stop judging others because of their skin color
Version 3.0
Member
You know, I never thought about it, but what do anti-immigrant type racists think of Native Americans? I mean, they're not immigrants.
I assume they hate them, too, but their flimsy "we were here first" rationale obviously fails extra hard in the face of someone whose ancestors were literally here first.
EricDiesel
Member
Probably "they should be more grateful for us letting them have some land, giving them technology, and fishing rights!"
"What is even is Gamergate anyways I'm just asking questions."
I'm a little less inclined to accuse people of this at this point because a lot of news sources are reporting what Palmer did was just support Trump and don't mention the fact that it was actually an alt-right hate group he was funding/founding.
That said, it only takes a Google search or actually reading the the article in the OP to figure that out.
Many others have responded above to make it clear this isn't about supporting a candidate.
Beyond this specific incident, though, your assertion raises troubling questions. It's an easy statement to make and fits well within a culture where freedom of speech is valued. The problem is that there are political positions that go well beyond differences of opinion. Consider the political position that gay people should be executed by the government for the good of society. That was an actual ballot measure proposal right here in my home state of California. It's clearly a political view. Did it not warrant loud and pointed opposition? Were its supporters not demonstrably a danger to the well-being and freedom of others?
Where do you draw the line? In this election we have people either tiptoeing up to and occasionally stomping all over the line depending on how you draw it. Palmer Luckey isn't just supporting ideas I disagree with. He's supporting a movement that would do significant direct harm to people I care about given half a chance.
EatinOlives
Member
I'm amazed that both Oculus' and Facebook's response to this has essentially been ¯_(ツ
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Fuck them both
_/¯Fuck them both
Exactly.
Its not about Trump and him running for President. Lets leave Trump and politics out of this.
Its the views Trump has and the ppl that share his views, especially the ones that share it to the extreme.
The guy is a billionaire and he's not supporting the political process hardly at all? BURN VALVE HQ DOWN
Seriously though get involved, Newell.
BRocknRolla
Member
This is an excellent point. This is way worse than just Trump. This is taking the most extreme aspects of Trump, even the stuff that he wouldn't openly admit, and going full in on supporting them. This is funding a hate group.
Lightning_Roller
Banned
Yep.
This is why people are in an uproar about this.
This is why these people are dismayed and feel betrayed about this.
This is why Facebook needs give Palmer the damn boot and slam the door behind him.
This isn't about supporting a political figure. Even though the figure in question is the reason these disgusting people are feeling bold now.
This is about supporting a disgusting group with disgusting ideals that could harm innocent people just because of their skin color, sex or nationality.
And yet people still have the damn nerve to say "He's just supporting Trump, what's the big deal?"
COME ON, REALLY?!?
The Oculus CEO already said they are a-ok with it. What else is there to say? Stop supporting Oculus if that's a concern to you. I for my part won't buy anything from them at this point.
Rubin is involved too?
My shit list has been getting bigger exponentially the past couple of years, so many people I used to respect are outing themselves as racist. From actors accepting whitewashed roles, or supporting genocide in Gaza, to wrestlers going on racist tirades, and now game developers too.
I always thought Palmer Luckey was a dick, but I respected Jason Rubin for what he did a few years ago.
Well, there's enough content out there to not support these idiots, so fuck them.
Not to further muddy the waters here but just because he's of Aboriginal descent and from Alaska doesn't necessarily make him part of an Inuit group. He could a Yupik, a Gwich’in or an Aleut which are all common in Alaska. Also, most Alaskan Inuit are Iñupiat. (I live in the Arctic and I'll take whatever chance I get to spread a little knowledge!)
A LOT of people that "donated to democrats" in the past are outing themselves as racists the past two years, including Trump himself.
It's depressing how many people are outing themselves as racist, so nothing will shock me anymore.
Rubin isn't really involved but his statement on the issue was like "I trust Palmers apology and take him as his word also we have great VR games coming soon."
Not good enough, from recent events, those non-apologies just mean that they're racist but too afraid to admit it.
I hope I'm wrong and he's just tone deaf, which isn't an excuse, but he can at least join the massive tone deaf populace.
I would imagine its more likely that he isn't going say anything bad about another employee on social media. I guess I am not entirely sure what people expected him to say and I am sort of surprised he said anything at all.
that bullshit non-apology was Facebook/Oculus saying something. Their PR was directing journalists to it and everyone involved was like "hey, I take him at his word. guess he isn't a massive prick. buy our shit"
this is the official Oculus stance at the moment so fuck them too.
Baron von Loathsome
Member
I would've expected him to be more libertarian, considering how Steam is run nowadays and how Valve has traditionally been run.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Their statement may as well have been an emoji shrug.
They most definitely will. They absolutely love companies that back their racist bullshit.
Judging political views based on platform is stupid, otherwise all PC/Android users would be libertarian and all console/iOS users would be socialists.
Pretty much. Fuck Oculus and Facebook both for waiting on this to die down instead of taking swift action.
drotahorror
Member
If this nimble america thing never existed and he said that he was supporting Trump everyone would have still been trying to roast him. You can't lean right and be a public figure. You will get shunned and looked at as if you were a leper. Surprised he didn't know this.
Yep it has absolutely nothing to do with him donating to a white supremacist group. People are upset because he "leans right".
Of course you'd have to ignore everything he and his girlfriend have been posting on twitter for months that people had no problem with and also ignore that this didn't blow up until it came out that he was supporting a white supremacist group.
Edit:Oops too late
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Donald_Trump_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016
please point to the people who were shunned
edit: nvm banned.
Even if you put aside all the absolutely horrible, racist things Nimble America and its founders stand for (which you shouldn't because dear god, we need to talk about that more), I'm still confused about why you'd put money behind a group that thinks shitposting is a really effective and helpful tool for communication. Like, under which circumstances does their goal seem noble? Like, even if they were doing it for, let's say, spreading info on Global Warming... it's still shitposting and acting like total dickwads on the internet. How is that a worthy cause to pledge money towards?
There's so much here that goes way beyond Trump, in terms of looking at Luckey's philosophy. It's basically coming down what he believes is acceptable communication, what he thinks are the right things to be saying on the internet, and the ways they should be said. It's all hateful, festering, nonsense. You should never put any faith in a person that believes in this.
There's so much here that goes way beyond Trump, in terms of looking at Luckey's philosophy. It's basically coming down what he believes is acceptable communication, what he thinks are the right things to be saying on the internet, and the ways they should be said. It's all hateful, festering, nonsense. You should never put any faith in a person that believes in this.
OfTheOverflow
Member
Yep, well, never buying an Occulus product. Palmer sounds like an absolute asshole, so disappointing that he hasn't already be canned.
The point of shit posting "delicious memes" is to make racism, bigotry and misogyny "funny". They photoshop some shitty racist/misogynistic joke copy onto a funny picture from chan/reddit culture. Then people repost it as a "joke".
This normalizes hate in people's minds and then the culture at large. This is one of the tactics of the alt-right.
This is what Palmer Luckey was talking about when he posted this:
Palmer Luckey said:
You should read this article, it is a fantastic overview of the alt-right:
http://www.vox.com/2016/4/18/11434098/alt-right-explained