joecanada
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Bitterblack Isle was also so good? BBI was where the game started!
Does steam version have controller support, I may have to revisit this again.
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I liked Dragon's Dogma PC better than Dark Souls 3 this year
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Bitterblack Isle was also so good? BBI was where the game started!
Does steam version have controller support, I may have to revisit this again.
I'm with you on that. I swear, I feel like the rest of the world has taken crazy pills whenever I see people fawning over this game. The world is one of the most generic, lifeless settings I've ever seen in an RPG. And the much vaunted combat, as stated earlier, is repetitive as all hell. Honestly, it doesn't make much sense to even compare DD to the Souls series, because unlike the Souls games, DD's combat is entirely progression based, with next to no player skill required to perform well. It's a joke.
DD is not a masterpiece. It's nowhere close to any Souls game in terms of quality. Hell, it's bottom rung in pretty much every aspect one could rate an RPG.
Art Vandilay
Member
This is the game I regret not playing on 360 the most. I wish I had a PC capable of playing it. Hopefully there will either be a remaster, sequel and/or BC on the XB1.
very!
I've always found strange how no one seemed to give a damn about this game until I read people here on GAF talking about the PC port, and damn if you guys are hyping this up for me. I remember seeing someone tweet a Platinum-like cheesy song from this game too? I'm all about that.
Are console versions really that bad, though? I think I own Dark Arisen via PS+ and don't own a capable PC, but I'd love to try this now that I'm done with all Souls games until the next DS3 DLC drops.
What the hell.
Are console versions really that bad, though? I think I own Dark Arisen via PS+ and don't own a capable PC, but I'd love to try this now that I'm done with all Souls games until the next DS3 DLC drops.
What the hell.
Just very laggy in Vanilla, like trying to play an MMO on good settings, but being mostly fine, but then you go raid or enter a very populated area and gets laggy. That level of lag was on PS3 anyway.
I dont know if they fixed or improved it with their expansion on 360\ps3
I enjoyed (loved) the PS3 version just fine, though I'm not all that picky when it comes to frame rate issues.
AsylumBlue
Member
Yeah, it's sub-HD, runs like shit, and is letterboxed. If you already have it and it's your only way to play it, it's still worth trying, in my opinion.
bobawesome
Member
Capcom's rights to the song expired and they used a much better song for Dark Arisen. If you *really* want it though, it's possible to mod the original song back in.
nitekrawlwer
Member
Many of the martial skills are flat out DMC moves reskinned in many cases. I mean the infamous Stinger is one of the most similar and one of the earliest available skills you get in DD.
It has a simpler version of the timing based inputs to do different moves and combos much like DMC.
It baffles me that you can even type that the combat isn't remotely similar unless your talking about casters or some other game.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
This is completely subjective ofc.
Personally I don't remember a single song in dks1-3 aside from the ornstein and smough battle. DDs songs however are burnt into my soul; gorechimera, hydra, griffin, grigori themes are all ridiculously good.
Art direction is also where I vastly prefer DD, just the way a griffin goes into panic while it shakes its feathers when it's on fire is downright -beautiful-.
I love this game. I completed DD on ps3, and then played through twice on the excellent pc version. There is nothing out there with combat as fun and varied as DD. The ranged combat is outstanding, dual wielding melee is amazing, shield combat is fun, two handed combat is visceral and feels powerful, and the magic and hybrid classes are a blast to play. Magic Archer is like a fucking pyrotechnic show every battle, it's so much fun.
Now is a great time to try the pc version at 60fps. Don't go into looking for an engaging story, do it for the combat and open world. There's nothing out there like it. Just getting from point a to point b in this game, especially at night, usually results in epic unscripted mayhem. Oh and the BBI DLC is amazing. It's like DnD mixed with a Souls game, with DD's fun combat system.
Now is a great time to try the pc version at 60fps. Don't go into looking for an engaging story, do it for the combat and open world. There's nothing out there like it. Just getting from point a to point b in this game, especially at night, usually results in epic unscripted mayhem. Oh and the BBI DLC is amazing. It's like DnD mixed with a Souls game, with DD's fun combat system.
Moff
Member
Yeah I agree on the combat as well, but I didn't want to mention it because I probably didnt get into the game enough, I just finished it once and also played as a socerer and rarely did the whole climbing monster stuff, which does look fun. But magic in this game is incredibly boring as well, sure the spells are big and flashy, but gameplaywise among the most sleep inducing I have ever seen in a game, and I always go magic. standing still for super long casts is just boring and makes it even more repetitive than it already is.
That and the terrible overworld, the non existing story and the laughable characters and quests didn't really motivate me to finish the game, but I still forced myself through because I always thought I missed or didn't get something.
Biggest disappointment of the year for me with Mafia 3.
The minute-to-minute experience with the combat is completely different. Just because there's one or two moves that are reminiscent of moves in DMC doesn't mean that the combat is suddenly comparable in a way that "makes it like DMC". The actual pacing and feeling of combat in the two games are night and day.
Are there some things you can link to DMC and action games in general, sure, but what I said was that the comparison was grossly over exaggerated by fans and it's done constantly.
My favourite combat RPG controls thus far. Suits me even better than From games.
I liked the style of it and the lighting and look. Loved it was actually properly dark at night - really makes venturing out feel like a risk.
Plot though was pretty damn muddled and while quite interesting the endgame bonkers in what it does to the overworld.
My dream RPG would be Witcher 3 level size and quest approach with DD combat and approach to dungeons and internal structures such as temples.
On PC with high fps it's amazing fun tackling bigger creatures.
I liked the style of it and the lighting and look. Loved it was actually properly dark at night - really makes venturing out feel like a risk.
Plot though was pretty damn muddled and while quite interesting the endgame bonkers in what it does to the overworld.
My dream RPG would be Witcher 3 level size and quest approach with DD combat and approach to dungeons and internal structures such as temples.
On PC with high fps it's amazing fun tackling bigger creatures.
For me Assassin is the definite vocation for the game. It can use dodgeroll, counterattack, bow, most effective attack when climbing on monster, and being really squishy adds some challenge to surviving in BBI, where it's frequent to get one-shot by high level mobs.
Assassin also learns some abilities that help in no pawn play, for those who dislike pawns
Yeah that's my stance too. I loved DS1 and Bloodborne but when I got to join DS3 closed beta the series has grown more familiar than I'd have liked.
I still die a lot in Souls games, but at some point you'd begin to predict which corner the enemies are hiding correctly and that's when I'm glad Miyazaki announced his intention to move on from Souls.
Reizo Ryuu
Member
I'm seeing more ppl mentioning this, but BBI/Dark arisen was not dlc, it wasn't some add on you could download, it was an updated version of the game.
I don't get the hype for dragons dogma. I played until i entered the last dungeon and then gave up when they just threw more of the same enemies i had fought a million times at me. None of the quests were memorable to me other than going to kill the griffin. The combat had potential but the enemy variety just makes it a repetitive mess.
Bloodborne's creator is really crappy when it comes to physique. You're limited to slight variations of the same lanky build.
I completely agree, but (as we are comparing Dragon's Dogma to the Souls series here) I must admit I felt that the capital and the area surrounding it in DD felt like a 1:1 spiritual recreation of World 1 - Boletarian Palace, in Demon's Souls. Both equally ugly, dull and lifeless.
Basically, it's not like the older Souls games didn't have badly designed and ugly areas too. That's especially true with Demon's Souls, remember the brown orange mess that was World 2 - Stonefang Tunnel, filled with these guys:
Dragon's Dogma isn't a good looking game, but it's at least on par with the worst areas in the Souls series visually.
I completely agree, but (as we are comparing Dragon's Dogma to the Souls series here) I must admit I felt that the capital and the area surrounding it in DD felt like a 1:1 spiritual recreation of World 1 - Boletarian Palace, in Demon's Souls. Both equally ugly, dull and lifeless.
Basically, it's not like the older Souls games didn't have badly designed and ugly areas too. That's especially true with Demon's Souls, remember the brown orange mess that was World 2 - Stonefang Tunnel, filled with these guys:
Dragon's Dogma isn't a good looking game, but it's at least on par with the worst areas in the Souls series visually.
The entirety of Dragon's Dogma looks like the worst areas of Demon's Souls. Yeah, that's probably right.
And after hearing someone actually liken DD's combat to DMC, I feel it must be reiterated: Dragon's Dogma ISN'T a skill based action RPG. Your success or failure relies almost entirely upon your level and the stats of your current equipment. Comparing DD's combat to the Souls series is silly enough, but to compare it to DMC is outright insanity.
Dragon's Dogma on PS3 was one of the very few games I ever dropped because of terrible technical issues. The terrible framerate, the shitty ass resolution, the terrible IQ even with the black bars
NeededSleep
Member
Oh god I'd kill for a remaster with mods.
I wonder if Capcom has any interest in DD anymore.
Dragon's Dogma Online even has a superior soundtrack (IMO) to the original, which is saying something. Just listen to this stuff:
Lindwurm/Minor Dragon Battle Theme
End of the Struggle, DDON Version
Battle with Diamantes
The Golden Alchemical Dragon
I just love the style they have going here. Too bad about the lack of a Western release, tho. Still waiting for it, even.
nitekrawlwer
Member
The core design team came from Devil May Cry 4, including the director, Hideaki Itsuno. The influences from that game are pretty strong in here. We didn’t want to just take the Devil May Cry system and throw it in this game. We wanted to take the influence of that game.
For example, some of the controls will feel very familiar because they have been inspired by Devil May Cry. We looked at what we did in Devil May Cry, for example the way Dante and Nero interact with the enemies. We took what’s good about fighting enemies up close and personal and tried to put that in Dragon’s Dogma. We also tried to take that to the next level and tried to make it feel more realistic.
You can argue with me but you can't really with the creators of both games. They are indeed similar. It is by design.
Are they the same. No. I never said as much. But they are similar. So much that they share moves(more than 1 or 2), aesthetics and implementation. You did say "The combat in DD isn't remotely like Devil May Cry"
Yeah, we're just going to have to agree to disagree. For music I'll just say the only thing I remember from DD is the awful starting menu music. As for art design...yeah, there isn't a single area that compares to anything in Dark Souls 3. And the enemy design is fairly unimaginative monsters straight out of a beginners' D&D manual. Like I said, the Souls series truly just outclasses DD in every way, to the point where the comparison feels unfair.
Very true, the Souls series has some of that but not nearly to the degree DD do. For example: I have beaten Dark Souls with a level 1 weapon, and I enjoyed my self.
You can basically use your starting equipment with a few easy to acquire upgrade materials and do absolutely fine. Not so in Dragon's Dogma.
60? 144!
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
I was surprised how fast i got bored with DD. i just didnt enjoy the combat system.
Saying that dark souls 3 was just decent for me. To much "more of the same" for me to really love it like i did DS1 and BB.
Saying that dark souls 3 was just decent for me. To much "more of the same" for me to really love it like i did DS1 and BB.
dragonzdogma
Member
I'm almost going to beat Dark souls 2
and tbf I can't really compare them, since they are very different , but if if had to choose,
I'd pick dragons dogma
BTW dark souls 1 is better than part 2.
cant wait to play 3 one day, when my back log reduced a bit more.
and tbf I can't really compare them, since they are very different , but if if had to choose,
I'd pick dragons dogma
BTW dark souls 1 is better than part 2.
cant wait to play 3 one day, when my back log reduced a bit more.
bobawesome
Member
What are opinions?
The health system is also a large detriment to the game's quality. The fact that you can just pause the game at any time and munch down as much healing items as you want really removes most of the challenge left in the combat system.
The stamina system isn't great either, they tied a fairly slow to regenerate resource to both the combat system and your ability to move around the fairly large world at a reasonable pace. And again the risk of running out of stamina in combat is even less than it is in the Souls series as you can just pause the game and eat stamina restoring items forever. Overall the stamina system in this game just succeeds to annoy the player, never to challenge him.
The stamina system isn't great either, they tied a fairly slow to regenerate resource to both the combat system and your ability to move around the fairly large world at a reasonable pace. And again the risk of running out of stamina in combat is even less than it is in the Souls series as you can just pause the game and eat stamina restoring items forever. Overall the stamina system in this game just succeeds to annoy the player, never to challenge him.
Sanctuary
Member
I enjoyed Dragon's Dogma more as well, and that's even after having already played the console version.
Did you just maybe expect something completely different?
But somehow Dark Souls 2 and TLOU remaster are always exempt from that rule...
Did you just maybe expect something completely different?
But somehow Dark Souls 2 and TLOU remaster are always exempt from that rule...
Great battle system and lack of similar alternatives on console, I guess.
All true. I think the praise Dragon's Dogma gets is largely around how much people enjoy the "feel" of the game. People praise the battle system as one of the best in the genre, but as we've discussed, it requires nothing in the way of skill from the player. Hell, Skyrim, a game frequently derided for its combat system, handles it better. And as you illustrated, the ability to pause and heal robs most encounters of any possible tension.
But you'll still see people say how much they love the combat. And that's because the controls are responsive, and the animations snappy. At least, that's the best explanation I can muster.
FalsettoVibe
Member
I hope they do this. My PC is a bit old to take full advantage.
Imp the Dimp
Member
I played DD on hard on my first and only playthrough and I agree there's a pretty big difficulty gap in the middle of the game where pretty much everything is easy other than nights. The post game is like three times as hard however and definitely requires good mastery of the combat system.
I quote-asked one guy about it, but I don't think he's been back --
-- since this is not only a port, but not even a new PC release. Am I going to be able to max it with a i5/2300k, Geforce 570?
Basically determines if I buy it on Steam or wait until I get a 1060 early next year.
-- since this is not only a port, but not even a new PC release. Am I going to be able to max it with a i5/2300k, Geforce 570?
Basically determines if I buy it on Steam or wait until I get a 1060 early next year.
Unfounded opinions aren't worth that much. Just as an example: you can say the combat in DD is better than the combat in the Souls series, but then you need to respond to the people bringing up the huge flaws said combat system has and refute them, otherwise you will not really convince anyone.
MyOtherBike
Member
Having played both for the first time in the last year, I liked Dark Souls 3 much more than Dragons Dogma. DS3 had a better atmosphere, and I enjoyed the deliberate gameplay so much more than the chaos of combat of DD. While I had a lot of options for combat maneuvers with dragons dogma, the fights themselves were pretty simplistic. I enjoyed both, don't get me wrong, but I loved dark souls 3 whereas I liked dragon's dogma.