poppedcollar69
Member
man these games are fuckin rough tonight.
so much fucking roach promote
so much fucking roach promote
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Led_Zeppelin
Member
I blame Youtubers that pushed for that. I am thinking of building a Scoia'tel deck, I just got lucky again and got Isengrim and with gotting Ele'yas some days ago is like CDPR is telling me to build a Commando Neophyte deck, I think I only need to craft The last Wish, decoy and Eithne and I could build a really OP Scoia'tel deck that I see kinda often now with the exception of Ele'yas for some reason.
toastyToast
Member
Yeah games are a bit much at this point. Super duper meta decks every game. Can't just wing it and swap out stuff if I intend on winning anything. I've not played anyone without all the key cards for their builds in days now. My win rate for the first 3 weeks was absurdly high (some days I did 3 levels with no losses) but things changed after the patch when I assume a lot of people got a bunch of scraps from the leader rarity change then bought all the good stuff.
I could join in on the NR cheese mania since I have most of the cards but then I'd feel dirty
I could join in on the NR cheese mania since I have most of the cards but then I'd feel dirty
Exentryk
Member
I am still going strong with NR and not really cheesing (only have one Swallow and Roach and a single promote just for that off chance where it might help, but it's not my main strat.)
Played about 7-8 games to get 2 kegs for the day and only lost once. I want to get Aeromancy, but I should wait until the weather nerf patch hits. Borkh would be nice, but he is more useful for abusing that Roach-Promote techs as it gets opponents to pass, and my current deck isn't built for that.
Might hold off on the scraps until the patch hits and go from there maybe. It'd be nice if I get some legendaries in a keg. Last one I got was the Last Wish. I would love to get some Scoia legendaries.
For new people, here is a summary image of Gwent's current reward system (courtesy of reddit):
Played about 7-8 games to get 2 kegs for the day and only lost once. I want to get Aeromancy, but I should wait until the weather nerf patch hits. Borkh would be nice, but he is more useful for abusing that Roach-Promote techs as it gets opponents to pass, and my current deck isn't built for that.
Might hold off on the scraps until the patch hits and go from there maybe. It'd be nice if I get some legendaries in a keg. Last one I got was the Last Wish. I would love to get some Scoia legendaries.
For new people, here is a summary image of Gwent's current reward system (courtesy of reddit):
Led_Zeppelin
Member
I got lucky today (either that or CDPR increased the drop rate of legendary cards) I opened 2 kegs after leveling up twice and got Isengrim. I really need to check out how to build that commando deck around him but I need The Last Wish and Aglais, that allows you to reuse a special card. With that I could flood the board with commando units and also buffing Ele'yas.
But it is a vulnerable strategy since I usually while playing Skellige I would revive 2 bears at the end of the round if I think the other is basically buffing up their graveyard with special cards, today I denied that play by basically reviving another bear on the board and the 2 bears wipe out the Neophyte units as they were coming up and I am sure his last card was a Thunderbolt potion.
For some reason I still love playing as Skellige but I feel like the meta in skellige went towards savage bears and the bear buffed by the wounded units.
Exentryk
Member
Man, your luck is still as strong as ever.
But yeah, I've faced quite a few Scoia special removal spam decks with Isengrim as the last card. It works well as long as Scoia can get turn advantage over opponent, which should be easy if you know what you're doing. The bears can be killed off if Scoia has a strong removal deck. They should definitely be targetted as a priority.
Also, if I'm reading one of the Nilfgaard card's ability correctly, it would pretty much destroy Skellige. So, might want to be careful with investing into Skellige too much.
I definitely want to build a Scoia deck eventually, but currently I need pretty much all of the legendaries in that faction.
So yeah, give me some of your luck is what I'm saying
toastyToast
Member
Neophytes are in a weird spot in that the only way to reliably spawn a bunch is with Isengrim which is a third round play since he makes Aglais a lot less useful. Stuff like Ele'yas, Aelierinn and I guess Saskia since she works best when the board is flooded all seem to synergize with playing Isengrim. I think they said they were gonna work on making neophytes a bit more compelling. Right now even if you get a bunch they're so easy to take out, it's sad.
Led_Zeppelin
Member
Now I am interested. I want to see how Nilfgaard will play mostly because I want to see a shake up in the meta game now, I am tired of playing NR Radovid Control deck or Promote heavy deck or in the case of monsters a heavy weather deck. Is like people are not even trying to build their own decks. The only decks I can't see a pattern so far is Scoia'tel (outside of the heavy control deck) and Skellige that while having their own meta neither is exceptionally strong so people aren't heavily focused on them while with Monster and NR is like everyone is playing with the exact same deck.
I like Skellige because I can mix the discard deck and the self wounding deck though I had to get rid of Lugos to make space for Cerys since I no longer discard all my deck to the graveyard but the bears and the savage bears offer a little more opportunities to mix up the game and strategies. I think Skellige only needs some units that would perform a War Cry and maybe they could be as annoyingly powerful as NR deck, still the deck is heavily weak against weather and every single monster player is currently playing weather deck.
Also is someone close of completing the collection of cards? I am currently 2 cards away of completing the Skellige Deck (I am only missing Morkvarg and Kambi. The rest of the decks are kinda incomplete for me so far, specially Scoia'tel.
Exentryk
Member
Nilfgaard's gimmick is that they can see some of opponent's cards. Their other cards are strong as well, so definitely be interesting how it shakes up the meta.
Regarding card collection, I am 3 cards short of completing my NR collection. I'm missing Pavetta, Dijkstra and Roche. Not sure if I'll spend scraps on them though.
Other factions I'm missing about 15-20 cards.
Regarding card collection, I am 3 cards short of completing my NR collection. I'm missing Pavetta, Dijkstra and Roche. Not sure if I'll spend scraps on them though.
Other factions I'm missing about 15-20 cards.
I've been trying out control with Skellige. I can shut down Monsters most of the time, and Northern Realms some of the time. However, Scoia is completely impenetrable unless they completely mess up. Eithne is a ridiculous card and I hope she gets borked.
People don't GG often if you do control decks i've found.
People don't GG often if you do control decks i've found.
toastyToast
Member
If you're up against one of those Scoia'tael decks that spams special cards try to take out the Elven Mercenary asap. Once they've exhausted all of them their plan kind of goes out the window.
poppedcollar69
Member
finally made my first big crafting splurge, the witcher trio
seems to be helping a fair amount, though ive only put them in my skellige deck so far... it can get a bit silly trying to mulligan for only 1 of the witchers and only 1 of the pirates
seems to be helping a fair amount, though ive only put them in my skellige deck so far... it can get a bit silly trying to mulligan for only 1 of the witchers and only 1 of the pirates
waxinlyrical
Member
I've been wanting to try out Scoia'tael special card spam deck for a while now, but just really didn't have the card quality to support it.
This pack I just opened helped a lot though:
This pack I just opened helped a lot though:
toastyToast
Member
Good gravy
Reddit: I'm not progressing as a player, and it sucks. I know it's my fault and not the game's.
We're working on a number of things that should help you.
Our matchmaking has some issues and we're addressing them, we hope some changes in this will occur next week. Can't promise that, but it is a high priority for us
Beyond that we also have some plans to change how the daily rewards and some other things work to be a little more generous to those who are losing games. This will allow you to work on upgrading your decks a bit more easily we hope
Led_Zeppelin
Member
That sounds interesting, I hope the counter for promotion decks and weather decks are interesting and balance some of the weakness in certain decks against this type of decks.
I've been wanting to try out Scoia'tael special card spam deck for a while now, but just really didn't have the card quality to support it.
This pack I just opened helped a lot though:
Holy crap 2 legendary cards in one keg? Damn and I though I was lucky.
I still need Agalis and Last Wish to build that Scoia'tel deck but today I got Morkvarg on a keg, god damn it why I always get the legendary cards that were nerfed to death? First Lugos, then Hjalmar and now Morkvarg and all from Skellige!
Now I only need Kambi and I have my Skellige Deck complete, though I think Kambi is among the more useless legendary cards.
DiscoShark
Banned
First time going against a discard Skellige, 4 damage coming from 2 boat cards everytime he discarded, got damn was it effective. First time I'd come across a real "offensive" deck since siege Northern Realm decks, and at least those were based on a time limit. This guy was doing way more damage with the skellige variation.
poppedcollar69
Member
heres something i just realized.... even though ciri, woodland sprit, ermion, and others are gold, they're still only epic, and thus cheap to craft!!
sackboy2197
Member
I have also met a deck like that, and sadly there wasn't much I could do. Didn't have enough to destroy those (and if I did he probably would have resurrected them using Freya), so he pretty much destroyed everything I had which wasn't gold.
Holundrian
Unconfirmed Member
My winrates plummeting right now(level 28 currently) :-x facing insanely well thought out decks.
Henselt promote focusing on general gold card synergy beats me a lot. It feels really hard to counter unless you have the righ removal cards in your hands and even then it's a toss up because the decks is quite enduring in the way it can procure unit cards unlike most promote decks I faced before which break down by removing their main buffing target.
The other deck which just pummels me is the Ethne special removal spam deck + traps making passing against them deadly. I will say though that I can still win against it but it feels like more because the enemy is misplaying hard instead of me playing good.
The decks seems incredibly strong but also a bit harder to play than most.
Maybe people can give me tips on how to refine my shitty deck that don't cost too much scrap.
I run:
Gold Cards:
Geralt, Geralt Igni, Ciri, Draug
Silver Cards:
Prize-Winning Cow, Commander Horn, Scorch, Manticore, Giant Toad
Bronze Cards:
3xFoglet, 3xWild Hunt Rider, Alzurs thunder, 2x Ancient Foglet, Thunderbold Potion, 2xFiend, Lacerate, Griffin, 2x Impenetrable Fog
It's a shitty deck which surprisingly made me win a lot(like at least 70%) for a long time. My best match ups were cookie cutter NR decks that just break down with well timed scorches/igni and revive/buff focused Skellige(Stealing key cards with the griffin generally won me games there)
Currently thinking on throwing Draug out cause I don't face a lot of decks anymore where it's useful, only had him in cause it helped a bit fucking up NR's buff plan + me facing a good amount of breeding decks.
Henselt promote focusing on general gold card synergy beats me a lot. It feels really hard to counter unless you have the righ removal cards in your hands and even then it's a toss up because the decks is quite enduring in the way it can procure unit cards unlike most promote decks I faced before which break down by removing their main buffing target.
The other deck which just pummels me is the Ethne special removal spam deck + traps making passing against them deadly. I will say though that I can still win against it but it feels like more because the enemy is misplaying hard instead of me playing good.
The decks seems incredibly strong but also a bit harder to play than most.
Maybe people can give me tips on how to refine my shitty deck that don't cost too much scrap.
I run:
Gold Cards:
Geralt, Geralt Igni, Ciri, Draug
Silver Cards:
Prize-Winning Cow, Commander Horn, Scorch, Manticore, Giant Toad
Bronze Cards:
3xFoglet, 3xWild Hunt Rider, Alzurs thunder, 2x Ancient Foglet, Thunderbold Potion, 2xFiend, Lacerate, Griffin, 2x Impenetrable Fog
It's a shitty deck which surprisingly made me win a lot(like at least 70%) for a long time. My best match ups were cookie cutter NR decks that just break down with well timed scorches/igni and revive/buff focused Skellige(Stealing key cards with the griffin generally won me games there)
Currently thinking on throwing Draug out cause I don't face a lot of decks anymore where it's useful, only had him in cause it helped a bit fucking up NR's buff plan + me facing a good amount of breeding decks.
poppedcollar69
Member
game is really hard right now
i don't have any sage advice but i just wanna say, king bran is not a very good leader
waxinlyrical
Member
Yeah, I see him being used in Skellige discard decks, but I really don't think he's a very good leader. You're essentially using up 3 cards ( 2 discarded, one from the Bran leader card itself) to guarantee you're drawing the single card you want. Sure you can use the An Crait Radiers, Pirate Captains and War Longships to get some value out of the discards but it feels like too much set up to get good value out of it, as opposed to Crach which gives you +10 strength without any set up and can give you +14 with just a single Axeman out.
toastyToast
Member
King Bran stinks. Even if you can't afford The Last Wish you can still thin your deck to 1 card with Ermion, Birna, Donar and Svanrige. Worst leader in the game.
Hydrophobic
Member
Are there any sites with information about deck building, meta, etc? I got into the beta on Wednesday but I just really tried giving it a spin yesterday and I didn't win a single game, so I'm hoping to learn a bit more.
Led_Zeppelin
Member
I don't get King Bran's hate. I like that leader, the problem is that you have to build massive card advantage and use him on the last round only. I usually build card advantage with Decoy/ Birma/ Donar/ Udalryk and then use Bran to get Lugos or some other card that could help turn the ties.
I personally changed Leaders in my Skellige deck to Craite because I am currently running a hybrid discard self wounding deck and with Craite I keep card advantage up to the end which helps a lot against NR Radovid control decks or promote decks or Monster weather decks. My worse match up keep being Scoia'tel control deck since they can keep up the card advantage I may get and usually are a pain in the ass to work around.
I don't know what other Gold cards you have but I would drop Geralt and get the Leshen, also drop one fog. After that I would include another Lacerate, drop the 3 Foglets and change them with a Ghouls or Ekimaras (Ghouls to reuse the corpse that is dropped by the giant toad, that is a good opener, you giant toad a fiend or Manticore and then reuse the card with the Ghoul, Ekimaras for the same reason if you want to rig the RNG for the next round. Also I would get a Grifin only to be used against Skellige or NR so you can steal their best units and avoid being reused.
I personally changed Leaders in my Skellige deck to Craite because I am currently running a hybrid discard self wounding deck and with Craite I keep card advantage up to the end which helps a lot against NR Radovid control decks or promote decks or Monster weather decks. My worse match up keep being Scoia'tel control deck since they can keep up the card advantage I may get and usually are a pain in the ass to work around.
I don't know what other Gold cards you have but I would drop Geralt and get the Leshen, also drop one fog. After that I would include another Lacerate, drop the 3 Foglets and change them with a Ghouls or Ekimaras (Ghouls to reuse the corpse that is dropped by the giant toad, that is a good opener, you giant toad a fiend or Manticore and then reuse the card with the Ghoul, Ekimaras for the same reason if you want to rig the RNG for the next round. Also I would get a Grifin only to be used against Skellige or NR so you can steal their best units and avoid being reused.
Holundrian
Unconfirmed Member
I actually have leshen I think I'm going to try that thanks!. That ghoul opener seems actually pretty good given that my toad often gets scorched, weird that I haven't encountered it more. I get most of the ideas just by copying enemies that beat me, being the casual that I am.
Also dropping the foglets seems to align with my feeling that they're often more detrimental than helpful often making me lose huge value with the carry over. But for some reason I've just been fond of them.
I actually already have a griffin in the deck(it's listed there too) exactly for that purpose
. Works great just sometimes hard to draw. But putting 2 didn't feel great either, too situational.FormallyFamicom
Member
Anybody know what time the game considers the start of a "new day"?
waxinlyrical
Member
4pm pst for me. Not sure if it's a global setting?
toastyToast
Member
An hour and 10 minutes from now
waxinlyrical
Member
Yeah, that card's definitely lost me several rounds.
I actually hate going up against Scoia'tael when they play Ambush cards. I always have to go "Ok wait what Ambush cards are there, and how should I change my play as a result?" I only ever remember the fire trap card and the trapper card, both of which mean "Play a unit that has more than 5 strength on that row" for me.
toastyToast
Member
There's Ciaran which is like Ciri Jr. It can get you to seriously over commit expecting Toruviel
Ida as well but she isn't all that useful since Scoia'tael tends to be playing all the special cards anyway
Ida as well but she isn't all that useful since Scoia'tael tends to be playing all the special cards anyway
poppedcollar69
Member
it was a heckuva grind but i got my 2 levels in
and unbarreled decoy and isengrim :]
and unbarreled decoy and isengrim :]
Conor_Fool
Banned
So this closed beta has no time constrictions? Folks with codes can play until it's open?
That would be badass. I'll paypal someone some $ for a code
That would be badass. I'll paypal someone some $ for a code
Stream notes from the Polish stream (English stream starting in 30 minutes and will have the same information): https://www.reddit.com/r/gwent/comments/5fr68b/changes_from_polish_stream_spoiler_alert/
BoxManLocke
Member
Started this yesterday and I'm having an awful, awful time. I'm losing like 9 games out of 10, and not just losing, I'm getting fucking trounced. The few wins I got were very close or forfeits/disconnects. Also I really don't feel like I'm getting matched with people who have beginner decks like me.
I opened 3 kegs and didn't get anything really interesting.
I'm gonna soldier on some more because I really like everything surrounding the game but if it keeps going like this I probably won't show up for the final version.
I opened 3 kegs and didn't get anything really interesting.
I'm gonna soldier on some more because I really like everything surrounding the game but if it keeps going like this I probably won't show up for the final version.
Summary from the English stream.
I like most of the changes. Kinda feels like by simplifying some of the character interaction/combos the game might get a bit boring at high level until more cards are added, but almost all of the annoying mechanics are gone. RIP Dandelion, you asshole. Some of the ST buff/nerfs are weird though. Dwarf buffs to avoid special removals but then even counter-able Elf cards nerfed/changed? I guess they're aiming to restrict the crazy third round bullshit. You'll still stay number
toastyToast
Member
Looking forward to the changes. Seems like they're addressing a lot of the frustrating stuff in the game at the moment. Especially looking forward to the new cards.
Exentryk
Member
RIP Dandelion. But why the hell did they nerf Radovid? Promote is pretty much useless now.
Scoia got some nerfs too. Buffed Clear Skies is a like the new cheese for Scoia though.
Where are the weather immune cards for NR and Scoia (only saw 1 for Scoia)? Where are the special cards that grant weather immunity? Thought they said weather will get addressed with this patch (unless there is more changes not noted in the summaries?)
Scoia got some nerfs too. Buffed Clear Skies is a like the new cheese for Scoia though.
Where are the weather immune cards for NR and Scoia (only saw 1 for Scoia)? Where are the special cards that grant weather immunity? Thought they said weather will get addressed with this patch (unless there is more changes not noted in the summaries?)
waxinlyrical
Member
For some reason after I hit level 40 the number of GGs I get has plummeted drastically. This is making me not want to give GGs anymore until I first see a GG from the other player.
Led_Zeppelin
Member
Damn, that image make it look like going up a level is going to be even more of a grindfest.
Also I finally completed my Skellige Deck (and have enough scraps to craft the new cards as soon as they come out) since I got Kambi in my latest keg, I finally tried the Hjalmar-Kambi combo while also playing spies and it has worked wonderfully so far, specially after winning the first round. It is sad that I have to let go Geralt Igni/Cerys to make room for them. I would love for CDPR to expand the amount of silver and gold cards in the hand, but I guess it is a hard number to balance.
I completely stopped playing any other deck but Skellige, I am having too much fun with them despite the massive nerf after the patch, I wonder if I will keep playing them once the new patch is out.
This is after completing daily quests (second tab).
poppedcollar69
Member
i do kinda think clear skies may have been overbuffed
DiscoShark
Banned
Jesus, basically went all 22 levels without any sort of crazy good card drop and the game gives me an Insengrim, Roach, and a Grave Hag in a single pack.
... but of course it was in the final 3 drop and I had to choose only one.
Chose Grave Hag because I run a breeding monster deck that I feel like would synergize ridiculously well with. Probably could have built a deck around Insengrim though ... sigh.
... but of course it was in the final 3 drop and I had to choose only one.
Chose Grave Hag because I run a breeding monster deck that I feel like would synergize ridiculously well with. Probably could have built a deck around Insengrim though ... sigh.
poppedcollar69
Member
the last pack will always have cards of the same rarity
Led_Zeppelin
Member
Oh I didn't saw that, yeah that makes more sense. Still it will be weird to not level up 3/4 levels per day anymore, since it seems that after the dailies it will be impossible to go up a level unless you win 200 games or something.
I am finding that not a lot of people know how to counter Kimbi/Haljmar combo, is actually the best strategy for losing rounds since the opponent needs to keep committing in the round, worse case scenario you made him play their most dangerous cards under those 2 turns while gaining massive card advantage, my only problem is that if I am facing NR, Kambi ended up giving 19 strength to the opponent while I only gain 20 with Hjalmar. Still a great combo that kinda backfires against NR. Don't know if my stats with this deck are better than with Cerys/Geralt Igni but I am certainly having more fun when I am able to basically destroy the entire board. Also I love when I can do it 2 times in the same round by basically stealing Hemselt from the opponent's graveyard it also opens a lot of ways to finish up the game if you have card advantage and basically guarantees you the win.