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Microsoft Is Bringing Windows 10 To ARM, x86 Apps Included
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Frustrated_me
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This is HUGE news.. this is how Microsoft enters in the mobile market - doesn't have to be in the form of a phone btw.
Unknown Soldier
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Nobody wants Windows on phones, MS. Give it up already.
NeOak
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Holy shit. x86 apps on the go.
Surface Phone will be very interesting.
It is only happening because Intel is leaving that area when it canceled the Broxton and Sofia Atoms.
Shush
Surface Phone will be very interesting.
It is only happening because Intel is leaving that area when it canceled the Broxton and Sofia Atoms.
Shush
Microsoft's container/emulation technology is always impressive.
Microsoft has been perfecting this tech for a long while. I'm pretty damned sure that it's partly/mostly/entirely* the reason why they even have backwards compatibility on Xbox One that allows them to play 360 games built in a different architecture as well.
*I'm leaning towards entirely.
The x86 apps are able to run using some level of emulation.
Microsoft has been perfecting this tech for a long while. I'm pretty damned sure that it's partly/mostly/entirely* the reason why they even have backwards compatibility on Xbox One that allows them to play 360 games built in a different architecture as well.
*I'm leaning towards entirely.
VanquishUK
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Damn. How long until we see a Surface Phone with a desktop OS.
NeOak
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Never.
You will have to use Continuum on W10M since there are no x86 chips for phones anymore.
BronsonLee
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wtf what in the world
Probably only works when plugged into a power outlet and in desktop mode.
Zvonimir Boban
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No. I need something to replace my 920 so Panos needs to get his arse in gear and get that Surface Phone done.
Mr. Wonderful
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This will be the question. Even still, there will be lots of uses for this.
In the video it says it is.
I wonder how long it'll take for this to release to final consumers, since I would love an ARM-based Windows tablet with the ability to use normal apps. One of the biggest reasons why Windows RT failed so badly was because it was unable to run Win32 apps, but with this that issue is gone.
-Pyromaniac-
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Apple is already going to switch to their own chips. If MS makes the same move....lol intel. It's all their fault anyway with their silly delays and not being able to keep up anyway.
Frustrated_me
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Microsoft now refers to mobile smartphones as "cellular PCs".
Dr. Benton Quest
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This is really really big.
Unknown Soldier
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If you can't break into an existing market, create a new one with a different name!
Frustrated_me
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And that is exactly the point here.
nobody else will
RandomExpletive
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Exciting times, ARM is killing it
and i just sold my surface RT...oh well
It wouldn't be getting it anyway
TheLaughingStock
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Definitely will be interesting to see how they could piecemeal it so people can have that last bit of flexibility they may be looking for with an iOS or Android device to do everything they need.
BeforeU
Oft hope is born when all is forlorn.
I don't think Apple really cares about their Mac sales. It has different audience and Windows on ARM doesn't eat Mac share.
This is going to keep MS in the fight with Google's chromebook
Pretty sure they're referring to ARM-equipped tablets that will be running this Windows 10 OS
This is taking aim at ipad more than anything.
Microsofts engineers are god like with their emulation. The fact that an Xbox One can emulate a 360 with better performance says volumes about the quality work they do.
The Faceless Master
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#RIPNote7
#HelloSurfacePhone
will 2017 be the year i go back to a phone running windows?!?
#HelloSurfacePhone
will 2017 be the year i go back to a phone running windows?!?
tiredheadcrab
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Doesnt surprise me. Intel has been a bit of a letdown lately. Just ask Apple and MS. Intel put a lot of grief in MS after the Skylake debacle. I hope this could lead to MS customizing their own chips similar to what Apple does with iOS.
The future of computing is moving towards devices being thinner and faster and ARM is doing really well in this area.
The future of computing is moving towards devices being thinner and faster and ARM is doing really well in this area.
The big limitation here is that the x86 emulator can only run x86 apps, which is to say, 32-bit x86 apps, not x86_64. Considering how much software is going 64-bit, that's actually a big downside.
I'm also curious what the performance will be like. Notepad or whatever will be fine, but Photoshop? 3D gaming?
I'm also curious what the performance will be like. Notepad or whatever will be fine, but Photoshop? 3D gaming?
Bruce Springsteen
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and how would that even be usable?
Dock that thang.
Same way Continuum works now but with a full OS instead. Windows Mobile UI when not docked to a monitor.
Frustrated_me
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Continuum.
The approach seems to be have the OS adapt when docked to a large screen like Continuum.
Edit: Beaten!
It has 64-bit ARM support (they demoed it running on a 64-bit Snapdragon), but x86 compatibility is 32-bit only.
Sky Interloper
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So, should we expect to RTM around the time the Surface 5/Surface Pro 5/Phone (?) launches - namely, Redstone 3?
I assume this was in response to Intel cancelling their low-powered Atom line, which effectively killed the next Surface until MS shipped this capability. After all, Microsoft needs a product to compete in that price range and also opens the floodgates for mobile hardware makers to introduce new devices without the costs associated with Intel processors.
The only thing that remains is to see how is the performance with an emulator. Things as AutoCAD, Solidworks or MATLAB are obviously out of range for such platform, but if this thing is enough to drive light PC gaming and Office, it might good enough for several use cases.
I assume this was in response to Intel cancelling their low-powered Atom line, which effectively killed the next Surface until MS shipped this capability. After all, Microsoft needs a product to compete in that price range and also opens the floodgates for mobile hardware makers to introduce new devices without the costs associated with Intel processors.
The only thing that remains is to see how is the performance with an emulator. Things as AutoCAD, Solidworks or MATLAB are obviously out of range for such platform, but if this thing is enough to drive light PC gaming and Office, it might good enough for several use cases.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
I guess this means I won't have to give up Windows Boot Camp if Mac ever switches to ARM.
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