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This could be a very big deal if people actually use it. But I'm skeptical. I don't ever see myself buying an ARM computer other than a smartphone or something.
I guess this means I won't have to give up Windows Boot Camp if Mac ever switches to ARM.
Chromebooks.This could be a very big deal if people actually use it. But I'm skeptical. I don't ever see myself buying an ARM computer other than a smartphone or something.
It has 64-bit ARM support (they demoed it running on a 64-bit Snapdragon), but x86 compatibility is 32-bit only.
#RIPNote7
#HelloSurfacePhone
will 2017 be the year i go back to a phone running windows?!?
If performance and battery life are on point this should murder a chrome book
The big limitation here is that the x86 emulator can only run x86 apps, which is to say, 32-bit x86 apps, not x86_64. Considering how much software is going 64-bit, that's actually a big downside.
I'm also curious what the performance will be like. Notepad or whatever will be fine, but Photoshop? 3D gaming?
I hadn't even considered the laptop form factor. Would be great to get a light/cheap/good battery life laptop running Windows.
And that is exactly the point here.
Nobody wants Windows on phones, MS. Give it up already.
You forgot Windows Phone 8The joke is that it won't work, no one will care, and oh by the way good luck making a dent in the roughly 2 blllion smartphones installed base worldwide at this point.
This will be I think the 4th, yes FOURTH, time that MS has rebooted the Windows platform for phones. There was Windows Mobile, then Windows Phone 7, then Windows Phone 10, and now this is Windows 10 for Cellular PCs. I mean this is like how they keep rebooting the Hulk in the MCU, well I think they've given up on poor Hulk now at this point. He just shows up for Avengers films now and then goes away again. Kind of like how Windows on phones just shows up when a new version of Windows is released and then goes away again come to think of it.
The joke is that it won't work, no one will care, and oh by the way good luck making a dent in the roughly 2 blllion smartphones installed base worldwide at this point.
This will be I think the 4th, yes FOURTH, time that MS has rebooted the Windows platform for phones. There was Windows Mobile, then Windows Phone 7, then Windows Phone 10, and now this is Windows 10 for Cellular PCs. I mean this is like how they keep rebooting the Hulk in the MCU, well I think they've given up on poor Hulk now at this point. He just shows up for Avengers films now and then goes away again. Kind of like how Windows on phones just shows up when a new version of Windows is released and then goes away again come to think of it.
You forgot Windows Phone 8
You forgot Windows Phone 8
Wow I can't believe we're announcing this already. It's been in the works for a really really long time and I thought we weren't going to talk about this until next year :-D
It's the real deal. Those demos aren't faked. Yes, x86 Photoshop running on a true ARM chip with no modifications of any sort. No sandboxing, no forcing it through the Store, or anything else. It's just a PC on ARM.
Never.
You will have to use Continuum on W10M since there are no x86 chips for phones anymore.
I'm not knocking the technical achievement, running x86 emulation on ARM with any decent speed is a real technical feat. It's just a solution looking for a problem that doesn't exist. I mean seriously, how many people have looked at their phone and thought, "Damn, I wish this thing was running Windows. I wish I could run Photoshop on my phone."?
Windows Phone 8 was backwards compatible with 7 wasn't it? Or am I remembering incorrectly?
edit: Oh, the post above me. So the second reboot was from 7 to 8, 8 was forwards compatible with 10.
Serious question though: Why?
The reason that iOS and Android dominate the tiny screen space is because no one cares about running x86 Photoshop on a phone. I mean, what would you even do with Photoshop on a 5" screen? The minimum screen size for Photoshop is probably a tablet and Windows 10 is already available on x86 tablets like the Surface. The Surface sells more or less in line with it's specialized niche uses, there just aren't that many people who need full-blown Windows on a tablet form factor.
I'm not knocking the technical achievement, running x86 emulation on ARM with any decent speed is a real technical feat. It's just a solution looking for a problem that doesn't exist. I mean seriously, how many people have looked at their phone and thought, "Damn, I wish this thing was running Windows. I wish I could run Photoshop on my phone."?
Cheap lightweight laptops and hybrids that can replace your work provided laptop.Serious question though: Why?
Wow I can't believe we're announcing this already. It's been in the works for a really really long time and I thought we weren't going to talk about this until next year :-D
It's the real deal. Those demos aren't faked. Yes, x86 Photoshop running on a true ARM chip with no modifications of any sort. No sandboxing, no forcing it through the Store, or anything else. It's just a PC on ARM.
Wow I can't believe we're announcing this already. It's been in the works for a really really long time and I thought we weren't going to talk about this until next year :-D
It's the real deal. Those demos aren't faked. Yes, x86 Photoshop running on a true ARM chip with no modifications of any sort. No sandboxing, no forcing it through the Store, or anything else. It's just a PC on ARM.
Serious question though: Why?
The reason that iOS and Android dominate the tiny screen space is because no one cares about running x86 Photoshop on a phone. I mean, what would you even do with Photoshop on a 5" screen?
I mean seriously, how many people have looked at their phone and thought, "Damn, I wish this thing was running Windows. I wish I could run Photoshop on my phone."?
All the healthcare software the hospitals I work for is exclusive to windows. And as mobile continues to grow it would be great for care givers to have access to a lot of it from their phone.
Cheap lightweight laptops and hybrids that can replace your work provided laptop.
A single phone sized device that can dock into a full no compromises PC environment and behave like a smartphone otherwise. Don't even need to carry two devices.
Enterprise should eat this stuff up. They wouldn't even need to worry about their terrible legacy desktop apps. They'll just run.
You wouldn't use PS on your phone, you'd plug your phone into a dock with a mouse, keyboard and monitor and use it as an ultra portable PC.
For MANY people a phone would be powerful enough for the things they use a computer for.
Well that sounds promising.Wow I can't believe we're announcing this already. It's been in the works for a really really long time and I thought we weren't going to talk about this until next year :-D
It's the real deal. Those demos aren't faked. Yes, x86 Photoshop running on a true ARM chip with no modifications of any sort. No sandboxing, no forcing it through the Store, or anything else. It's just a PC on ARM.
Windows Phone 8 was backwards compatible with 7 wasn't it? Or am I remembering incorrectly?
edit: Oh, the post above me. So the second reboot was from 7 to 8, 8 was forwards compatible with 10.
Serious question though: Why?
The reason that iOS and Android dominate the tiny screen space is because no one cares about running x86 Photoshop on a phone. I mean, what would you even do with Photoshop on a 5" screen? The minimum screen size for Photoshop is probably a tablet and Windows 10 is already available on x86 tablets like the Surface. The Surface sells more or less in line with it's specialized niche uses, there just aren't that many people who need full-blown Windows on a tablet form factor.
I'm not knocking the technical achievement, running x86 emulation on ARM with any decent speed is a real technical feat. It's just a solution looking for a problem that doesn't exist. I mean seriously, how many people have looked at their phone and thought, "Damn, I wish this thing was running Windows. I wish I could run Photoshop on my phone."?
I mean they sort of already tried this a few years ago with a version of Windows 8(Windows RT) on the Surface RT, and it failed.
But this might have better x86 app compatibility? I dunno. We'll have to see how well it actually works in the real world and see if people want it.
Microsoft Switch please. I need that.
Cell phones aren't the only form factor running ARM chips. This could make for more really cheap Windows notebooks to compete with Chromebooks, as has been pointed out in this thread. Or tablets with docking capabilities.
Intel has pretty much abandoned mobile.But there are already really cheap Windows notebooks which sell for $100-150. And the Surface already exists, as do other tablets which also dock from other manufacturers. Those are all already devices which run natively on Intel x86, no need for ARM with an emulator.
Big deal is an x86 emulation layer and a more open W10 on ARM. As for the benefits, it means cheaper win10 tablet/low power devices that can run about anything on a normal PC, along with making large enterprise customers happy. Chromebooks use arm fine as all it needs is Linux and chrome, both of which are tried and true champions on ARM arch.Im not sure I get the big deal here. Cant you get MS office in the cloud now. Its available on anything and everything.
And can someone tell me the benefits of ARM in notebooks? If its so great then why arent they a big deal in chromebooks?
Seemingly.How is this different from Microsoft's previous attempts to get x86 applications working on Windows RT? Is it emulation magic instead of a direct port?
How is this different from Microsoft's previous attempts to get x86 applications working on Windows RT? Is it emulation magic instead of a direct port?
x86 devices under 11.6" have stagnated for three years. My 8" Dell V8P 5830 (Bay Trail, 2GB ram) that's three years old is still performance competitive with the newest stuff out. The Cherry Trail update had a GPU improvement that let them put in a 1080p screen, but sacrificed battery life.But there are already really cheap Windows notebooks which sell for $100-150. And the Surface already exists, as do other tablets which also dock from other manufacturers. Those are all already devices which run natively on Intel x86, no need for ARM with an emulator.
How is this different from Microsoft's previous attempts to get x86 applications working on Windows RT? Is it emulation magic instead of a direct port?
PPC on x86 for the XBone and now x86 on ARM. Reminders that MS employs some damn good engineers.
I don't think you guys understand what rebooting means. That's like saying iOS 5 to iOS 6 is rebooting the OS lol
They have only rebooted twice. Windows Mobile to WP 7 and WP 7 to WP 8.
All WP8 were upgradable to W10 Mobile. All apps were backward compatible.
And yes I am not defending it, even rebooting twice was terrible idea. And WP7 to WP8 transition was painful. Lot of developers and fans gave up on the platform after that move.