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Police expect Trump to lift limits on surplus military gear

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Beefy

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If president-elect Donald Trump keeps his promise, surplus military grenade launchers, bayonets, tracked armored vehicles and high-powered firearms and ammunition will once again be available to state and local U.S. police departments.

National police organizations say they'll hold Trump to that promise.

President Barack Obama issued an executive order restricting that access in 2015 amid an outcry over police use of armored vehicles and other war-fighting gear to confront protesters in Ferguson, Missouri, after the fatal shooting of Michael Brown. Since then, federal officials have recalled more than 1,800 items, which have been destroyed through target practice or otherwise disposed of, officials say.

During his campaign, Trump sided with the police. In September, he promised to rescind the executive order in a written response to a Fraternal Order of Police questionnaire that helped him win an endorsement from the organization of rank-and-file officers.

"The 1033 program is an excellent program that enhances community safety. I will rescind the current executive order," reads the response posted on the group's website.

"We take him at his word," Executive Director James Pasco said in a recent telephone interview.

The Trump transition team did not respond to questions from The Associated Press about the executive order.

National Sheriffs' Association Executive Director Jonathan F. Thompson said his group has pressed the topic in discussions with Trump's transition team. And William J. Johnson, executive director of the National Association of Police Organizations, said he was encouraged by his conversations with Trump representatives before the Nov. 8 election.

"The feeling that we got is they absolutely hear us and they share our concerns," he said.

Obama's order was triggered partly by police use of military-style gear and vehicles in response to the 2014 unrest in Ferguson. The order prohibited the federal government from providing grenade launchers, bayonets, tracked armored vehicles, weaponized aircraft and vehicles, and firearms and ammunition of .50-caliber or greater to state and local police agencies.

Since then, the Defense Logistics Agency has recalled 138 grenade launchers, more than 1,600 bayonets and 126 tracked vehicles — those that run on continuous, tank-like tracks instead of wheels — that were provided through the military's 1033 program, agency spokeswoman Michelle McCaskill said.

https://apnews.com/a62985c95a074ccc...n=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP
 
grenade launchers, bayonets, tracked armored vehicles, weaponized aircraft and vehicles, and firearms and ammunition of .50-caliber or greater
When you're using that, you are no longer a police officer but a soldier in a conflict zone. Let's not do that.

That police agencies want this stuff is very troubling.
 

Geist-

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Fucking bayonets? Are they planning to skewer black people now? The current ways to kill just not creative enough?
 
LAW AND ORDER.

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Well I'm sure they'll also be implementing military advisors to teach police officers how to deescalate situations.

No? Oh... Okay.

Proper military do not go around brandishing grenade launchers, point assault rifles at unarmed civilians or ride in entirely impractical military vehicles. They know better.
 
So replace the fire hoses and teargas with miniguns and rocket launchers. Got it.

I do really feel that at some point we're going to have a group of officers where they'll just open fire into a crowd and won't be reprimanded for it.
 

Shaanyboi

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Well I'm sure they'll also be implementing military advisors to teach police officers how to deescalate situations.

No? Oh... Okay.

Proper military do not go around brandishing grenade launchers, point assault rifles at unarmed civilians or ride in entirely impractical military vehicles. They know better.
Yeah they just use drone strikes instead.
 

Ri'Orius

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Donald always said inner cities were like a war zone. Guess he wants to make that statement true.

lol, like he cares about what's true.
 

Dierce

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Ah yes, the rise of the fascist police sate on top of the most corrupt institutions in the United States.

It just makes me laugh thinking about those conspiracy idiots making a big deal when the military had training exercises in Texas while ignoring the fact that the local police is arming themselves to the teeth.
 
You can never be too prepared when shit hits the fan.

The more cops have access to weapons which can stop terrorists and possible terrorist attacks which target innocent people, in their tracks., the better. But if only they get proper training to know how to use a fucking grenade launcher lol.

agreed. I've seen riot police with grenade launchers shooting smoke/teargas. Bayonets are fine too. Anybody can own a bayonet.
 
What the fuck do they think the corner weed dealer is packing an AK-47 and 3 RPG's like what the hell do you need assault rifles and tanks for in fucking Des Moines?

Just more reason for me to stay inside and never leave. Now that weed is legal in MA I can just get it delivered to my house.
 
agreed. I've seen riot police with grenade launchers shooting smoke/teargas. Bayonets are fine too. Anybody can own a bayonet.

Bayonets are stupid and wanting them really just shows that the police are pursuing this stuff out of gee-whiz wannabe soldier syndrome rather than any practical needs.

Bayonets are a joke in the military. Bayonet training is the single most hilariously outdated and useless part of basic combat training, and it's really only kept in because we all kind of like taking a day off to beat each other up with pugil sticks and pretend like we're on American Gladiator.
 

thefro

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Some big city police departments could actually use some of that stuff for Swat teams, but Ferguson getting all that crap made no fucking sense.
 
Remember, they're for fighting terrorists. Economic terrorists, you see. Like those "Fight for $15" people. Did you know that "15" is actually ARABIC?

/s because it really does need to be added.
 
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