You called my comment "revisionist in the wake of FFXV".
It's not. That's been my consistent opinion of this series since I started playing it back in 1990-whatever.
Not because I'm making excuses for FFXV, but because the FF series having weak nonsensical story lines "is the reality we live in".
Based on the 15 hours I've played I wonder where the "amazing dungeons" compliment comes from? All the dungeons so far have been super linear caves with a different texture set and a regular enemy as the boss...
No cut-scenes, no puzzles, no nothing.
As someone who tends to do every sidequest in RPGs, I thought FFXV activities are pretty lame. Fetch quests and 'Go kill that please' hunts are not what I consider fun or clever. Also, the game design is very paradoxial because if you do every quest, you end up overpowered for the story, so it's yet another case where developers don't know how to strike a balance between free roaming and story. This is the case of most open-world games by the way, and why I'm very skeptical about Breath of the Wild (another story this one!).
It hurts my head when I read something this stupid when in the FFXV ad campaign they had Ken Levine speak about how influential FF7's story to him was and what it meant for games and stories at the time.
WAT!
The Witcher 3 did not have bad story...Unless you're grading on super strict Steven Spielberg bar.
Best jrpg of the gen. Having so much fun in it, still got tons of stuff to do after 150 hours. I careless about the story but they will have more DLCs coming, maybe the story will be better with a twist?
I don't want to be that ass to say that doesn't really add/subtract from the point I was making, but it doesn't add/subtract anything from the point I was making.Err, not really wanting to dive into the FF narrative pool, but the story of FFVII wasn't actually all that interesting to me, and I "guess" it was just the translation, but it had so many plot holes that were never addressed. The characters were the most memorable thing about it, but not necessarily what they were doing. I don't really care how many believe FFVII is the epitome of storytelling when IV, IX, but especially Tactics and VI were far more memorable to me.
Based on the 15 hours I've played I wonder where the "amazing dungeons" compliment comes from? All the dungeons so far have been super linear caves with a different texture set and a regular enemy as the boss...
No cut-scenes, no puzzles, no nothing.
From what I've read, the story isn't so great. However I'm itching for a JRPG, and if the consensus seems to be that the world/combat/things to do in the world are good enough, I'll probably bite on the Amazon deal currently running. Thanks!
You don't get to say they never were their strong point when that's the reality we live in.
It's like saying Star Wars the first trilogy was pretty meh for cinema, so Joseph Campbell textbook. Unremarkable brand of sci fi.
Let's be real that doesn't say anything. The west specifically hasn't had too many JRPGs yet this gen.
Like what are comparing this too? Atelier? Tales?
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It's his opinion. If the stories never clicked with him, they never did. What are you getting on about? This is some of the most backwards posting I've ever seen. Guy has said he's said from the beginning he thought the FF stories were unremarkable. Then you come back and say 'you can't say that, they were great'. That's like someone saying the Sonic games were never good. You can say that, if that's what you thought when they came out. I'm one of those people. Grew up with Sonic, I always thought the series was mediocre.
I don't get your argument.
Based on the 15 hours I've played I wonder where the "amazing dungeons" compliment comes from? All the dungeons so far have been super linear caves with a different texture set and a regular enemy as the boss...
No cut-scenes, no puzzles, no nothing.
The bolded is your problem. If you just hold O, it will become a Potion Drinking Simulator. Otherwise, you can probably get unscathed in most battles.
This was never about personal opinion but a commentary about a stupid narrative that has risen within the release of FFXV that is just factually untrue.
Like I said in my opinion black is pink. Because it's muh opinion??? What do you say to that???
It doesn't change the fact that black is not pink.
This was never about personal opinion but a commentary about a stupid narrative that has risen within the release of FFXV that is just factually untrue.
Like I said in my opinion black is pink. Because it's muh opinion??? What do you say to that???
It doesn't change the fact that black is not pink.
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It's his opinion. If the stories never clicked with him, they never did. What are you getting on about? This is some of the most backwards posting I've ever seen. Guy has said he's said from the beginning he thought the FF stories were unremarkable. Then you come back and say 'you can't say that, they were great'. That's like someone saying the Sonic games were never good. You can say that, if that's what you thought when they came out. I'm one of those people. Grew up with Sonic, I always thought the series was mediocre.
I don't get your argument.
You're just being silly now. You do you and make any statements you want with your only defense being "it's muh opinion". That's basically like saying I don't want to engage.So, because someone has an opinion that fits within a narrative, it's to be dismissed?
To use your strange color metaphor, why are you so quick to jump to white and black when the world is filled with grays?
Exactly. And I thought I made it clear that I judge the basis for "good story" on fiction as a whole, explicitly calling out fantasy novels and comic books (which I was most certainly reading when those FFs came out) as being so far past even the best FF that these games aren't even in the same discussion.
Where is the FF equivalent of Watchmen? The FF equivalent of Kraven's last hunt? Knightfall? Days of future past? The Hyperion Cantos? Game of Thrones? Dark Tower? A wrinkle in time?
FF has never been anywhere close to the level of these works in terms of fiction, but this is the bar that for ME a work needs to hit in order to qualify as "good story." You weren't exposed to these things early and often then that's a shame, but it doesn't make FF7 a masterwork just because you weren't aware of what else exists.
Why would you spend 120 hours on a game that you thought had horrible combat when the story is relatively short and at 120 hours you would be doing a lot of combat. I'm not saying your opinion is wrong because it's yours but I'm legitimately confused as to why you would invest so much time in a game that you thought the combat was shit.
It's 2016's GOTY.
has anyone called out folks for not watching the anime or kingsglaive yet?
You're just being silly now. You do you and make any statements you want with your only defense being "it's muh opinion". That's basically like saying I don't want to engage.
So I'm also not going to engage. That doesn't even go into the fact that you're making 0 sense with that last sentence.
The actual development time for this game should have been expanded one more year to fix certain things. This certainly feels like a game that needs development around 4 years. While we have been waiting 10 years, the development for this final product was only around 3 years. I'm not sure they even had a chance for balancing checks before getting the game shipped out.
Zelda might not turn out so bad because they are given time to make it.
Even if anyone did, that wouldn't even come close to repair the lack of story development within the game for me.
I don't even time would have fixed the fundamental flaws in the combat and progression. Zelda is probably going to turn out fine because they're making progression gear oriented rather than using levels of any kind, combined with aggressive durability, makes exploration more worthwhile. I also thnk the korok Sidequest on the great plateau is what we can expect from most Sidequests in the game.
No. There are more.
Not in the open world portion of the game - don't give the man false hope.
How varied is the open world environment. Be brutally honest. Is it just the desert and green field environments? Not talking about cities or towns.
FFXV is fantastic. It's in the running for my Game of the Year, competing with DOOM and Pokemon Sun and Moon.
I love its characters, its world, and yes, its plot, even if the narrative is loosely structured in some regards. The game is full of neat concepts, cool lore and memorable moments, and the dots all connect, albeit hurriedly sometimes. But I always wanted to see what happened next, and I thoroughly enjoyed (and continue to enjoy) every moment in it. It's a wonderful experience, one that I frankly am enjoying more than FFVII, which I'm playing for the first time alongside it. Oh, and the ending is SO GOOD. The most moving ending in a videogame since The Last of Us and 999... Heck, it gave me similar feelings to the endings of Pan's Labyrinth and Titanic. Thematically, this game is strong. FFXV has tremendous heart.
And the combat is sublime. It has this scrappy quality to it, which feels a bit frantic as first but quickly becomes second-nature as you warp-strike in and out of the fray, phasing through attacks, toppling enemies with broadsword strikes, air-dancing with daggers, shattering appendages with a satisfying crunch, and imploding the entire goddamn battlefield with magic that actually feels POWERFUL. Seriously, it's so good. Most exhilarating combat system I've experienced in a JRPG.
The dungeon design is also top-notch. Some take multiple hours, and one is entirely composed of platforming — no enemies — and it works brilliantly. Of course, the enemy encounters are also great. One of the best bestiaries I've ever seen.
.There is a volcano, there are forests and rivers
That's more than he mentioned, no?
Ha! Well, I have the same concerns about RE7. I already miss the emphasis on characters and combat. But RE7 is looking promising. Resident Evil is many things, so I bet it'll fit in its own way.Neiteio never lies.
^ one my Trusted Gaf membersexcept when the day comes and he acknowledges RE7 as a true resident evil
Ha! Well, I have the same concerns about RE7. I already miss the emphasis on characters and combat. But RE7 is looking promising. Resident Evil is many things, so I bet it'll fit in its own way.
No I've been calling this argument in general(because it has popped up around the FFXV discussion a lot that's why I'm referring to that in my statement) revisionist in the wake of FF history as a whole.
Many of the beloved FF stories where true greats when they hit at the time for the whole medium of games. Many of them even inspiring people to become devs themselves.
Some of them arguably still hold up but that's another discussion.
You don't get to say they never were their strong point when that's the reality we live in.
It's like saying Star Wars the first trilogy was pretty meh for cinema, so Joseph Campbell textbook. Unremarkable brand of sci fi.