Obama kind of sucked in retrospect, the guy weakened the shit out of the Democratic party and I have no idea why
I'm in Pittsburgh. Both Trump and Clinton were here several times. The difference is that Hillary never went outside largely populated areas like Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. Trump did. Since Pennsylvania has voted Democrat for so many previous elections, I guess she didn't feel that she needed to actually campaign in the rural areas. She ignored those voters, and in turn, they either didn't vote or they voted Trump.This, pretty much. He at least acknowledge their existence, which was more or less a step up from Clinton. He ran campaigns there and showed up for meet and greets and rallies and talked about bringing jobs back to the south. Clinton did nothing.
In before: Its Bernie Sander's Fault she couldn't figure out why she was running
"She's with you" or "She's with us" would have been much better imo.
The solution is not the constantly yell at those people they are racist, but to take those issues and explain why you have better solutions.He ain't wrong though. Trump's campaign was all about blaming "the other" for the issues of the white working class. He let them blame Hispanics for their lack of jobs, Muslims for their general insecurity, and African-Americans for the government not keeping things they way they liked it. His entire campaign was built on racism, full-stop.
Trump saying "I'm with you" certainly made her slogan seem super shitty at least.
The solution is not the constantly yell at those people they are racist, but to take those issues and explain why you have better solutions.
I'm in Pittsburgh. Both Trump and Clinton were here several times. The difference is that Hillary never went outside largely populated areas like Pittsburgh and Philadelphia. Trump did. Since Pennsylvania has voted Democrat for so many previous elections, I guess she didn't feel that she needed to actually campaign in the rural areas. She ignored those voters, and in turn, they either didn't vote or they voted Trump.
You can't feed families with equality.
The solution is not the constantly yell at those people they are racist, but to take those issues and explain why you have better solutions.
"I'm With Her" will go down as one of the worst campaign slogans.
"You can't eat equality" is a horrible phrase.
For the record Clinton won the demographic most likely to be hungry. Like people forget she won the under 50 000$ a year vote.
The solution is not the constantly yell at those people they are racist, but to take those issues and explain why you have better solutions.
A portion of them, sure. But the people who stayed home or switched votes could definitely be kept in the Democratic camp by someone who could bring the message across.The other guy openly lied to them about bringing back the way of life they lost, anything else is going to sound like shit. By giving them an other to blame, he lied to them. He gave them someone to fight against, someone, who if they beat, could return to them what they lost. You can't compete against that with the truth and the fact is even Obama probably wouldn't have won against he.
Trump sold them a lie they wanted to believe. A lie steeped in hate. Arguing better solutions in the face of that is useless because they want to believe the lie.
If you already tell people they are unredeemable, good luck winning them over for your cause. That is the mindset that is having progressives losing at the moment. You might be right, you might be sure of it, but you still need to convince people. And you don't do that by presenting yourself as the superior person telling the little guys what to do and think.It has been done countless times. In the words of Clinton herself, those people are unredeemable. They appeal to racism and bigotry even if such views lead to their own personal nightmare.
I'm not saying people are rational. If they were, Trump would have lost. That is why you need to offer your solutions from a standpoint they can identify with, instead of telling them they are terrible people.And yet so many of them who rely on the ACA voted for the guy who is going to repeal it. And it's healthcare costs that have eaten into people's wages the most.
The solution is not the constantly yell at those people they are racist, but to take those issues and explain why you have better solutions.
I agree.
They need to be more racist.
She was running because it was her turn dammit. And she had loaded the party up with the loony hacks like DWS to ensure the grandest coronation.
Not everyone who voted for or supported Trump was racist. A lot of them were simply able to ignore massively racist undertones. There's a difference.
Yeah, no one is winning PA by just flying into Philly, Pittsburgh, and Harrisburg.
It wasn't just her not turning out either. There literally wasn't any kind investment or engagement in the suburban and rural areas. If rumors coming out of Michigan are true, it was hubris by the DNC and Clinton's campaign that they didn't need to do a ground game and that tv ads were enough.
We were saying we are offering our helpnobody wanted [President] Donald Trump, Konst continued, noting that the Bernie world side was offering Clintons team their plansstrategy memos, lists of hardened state organizers, timelines, data, the worksto win over certain voters in areas she ultimately lost but where Sanders had won during the primary.
We were painting them a dire picture, and I couldnt help but think they literally looked like they had no idea what was going on here, she continued. I remember their faces, it was like they had never fucking heard this stuff before. Its what we had been screaming for the past 9 months Its like [they] forgot the basics of Politics 101.
As the days and weeks flew by, the Bernie delegation kept underscoring TPP, jobs, union allies, the youth vote, and the environment, and pitched multiple rallies with Sanders in states such as Pennsylvania and Michigan (a state where Sanders unexpectedly beat Clinton in the Democratic primary, and a state that Clinton actively neglected during the general).
The math that they lost on, is the math we won on, Konst said. So we wrote out a plan, and sent it to them, telling them to stop thinking youre going to get this Obama coalition, its not going to happen.
Assurances were then made with various Clinton senior staffers that they would follow through with subsequent meetings and phone calls to address these gaps and warnings. Instead, meetings were canceled and rescheduled into oblivion.
We could have had a diamond. We got coal.
I think you missed the clearly implied *winkThat ain't much of a difference.
That ain't much of a difference.
I agree.
They need to be more racist.
Not everyone who voted for or supported Trump was racist. A lot of them were simply able to ignore massively racist undertones. There's a difference.
The other guy openly lied to them about bringing back the way of life they lost, anything else is going to sound like shit. By giving them an other to blame, he lied to them. He gave them someone to fight against, someone, who if they beat, could return to them what they lost. You can't compete against that with the truth and the fact is even Obama probably wouldn't have won.
Trump sold them a lie they wanted to believe. A lie steeped in hate. Arguing better solutions in the face of that is useless because they want to believe the lie.
I honestly don't think anyone could tell you how to defeat that. Luckily Trump will have to deliver on his lie, so it shouldn't be as hard to win in four years.
I disagree. Even so you are enabling an environment of racism. Racism and bigotry should be condemned by everyone even if you are not the one who is spreading it. And you start by not voting for the a racist.
Those idiots who voted for the racist and sexist moron are no better than avowed racists and sexists.
This."In the meantime, you can't eat equality," he added.
America is already great because America is good
I disagree. Even so you are enabling an environment of racism. Racism and bigotry should be condemned by everyone even if you are not the one who is spreading it. And you start by not voting for the a racist.
Those idiots who voted for the racist and sexist moron are no better than avowed racists and sexists.
DOESN'T ANYONE RECOGNIZE SARCASM ANYMORE?!?!
"You can't eat equality" is a horrible phrase.
For the record Clinton won the demographic most likely to be hungry. Like people forget she won the under 50 000$ a year vote.
This is infuriating. This forum would be littered with "SHUT UP YOU LOST GO AWAY YOU'RE NOT HELPING" if she didn't... shut up. You're telling me you really want to hear more from her now?I think that's evident by how she disappeared after the election. Losers lay down after elections blah blah is not an excuse. This was not a normal election, Trump is a normal president elect.
1. This is bullshit, no matter how many times it's posted. Obama did not force Biden out, he gave him the reality of the situation which was that the entire establishment was behind Clinton. This is no different from what happened to Romney in 2015.Because Obama convinced him not to do it so Clinton would have a chance. http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ign-primary-joe-biden-elizabeth-warren-214023
His son died.
2. The idea that Biden would beat Hillary is laughable. And I say that as someone who was ready to work on his campaign
Because Obama convinced him not to do it so Clinton would have a chance. http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ign-primary-joe-biden-elizabeth-warren-214023
1. This is bullshit, no matter how many times it's posted. Obama did not force Biden out, he gave him the reality of the situation which was that the entire establishment was behind Clinton. This is no different from what happened to Romney in 2015.
2. The idea that Biden would beat Hillary is laughable. And I say that as someone who was ready to work on his campaign