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CNN : Biden: Clinton never figured out why she was running
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DiipuSurotu
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ok
Now what?
Now what?
outunderthestars
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I agree on the elitism criticism. The Democratic party lost too much of the average working class voter and needs to do more to resonate with them.
BlazinSkatinAxel
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His son died.
wesleyshark
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Wise Joe is wise.
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I agree.
They need to be more racist.
Pizza con salsiccia
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Did Biden ever say why he didn't take a shot at being the democrat candidate?
shadowsdarknes
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Other than her being the most qualified to do the job, I sort of agree. To resonate with voters, the voters have to truly understand what the candidate stands for.
DrunkShogun
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Go back to pranking with Obama joe. Everyone has a lot to say post election but Clinton should never have ran.
diablos991
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Nobody wants to run against a Clinton. Her campaign machine slings mud with the finest. He was smart to wait like he did if he cares for his public image.
BlueTsunami
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Thats about it. Nothing more energizing than honoring somones position in line.
excelsiorlef
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Which is why Obama and Sanders are so unpopular now... Oh wait.
wesleyshark
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Can't tell if sarcasm but ignoring the working class has nothing to do with catering to racists.
His son died.
You can't feed families with equality.
PdotMichael
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Next time maybe running real primaries to determine the best candidate.
CrimsonSquall
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He has already said his son dying took a toll on him. Also Obama said it's okay Joe, don't run. Joe confidently said he would have won too but I can't blame him for not running
Because Obama convinced him not to do it so Clinton would have a chance. http://www.politico.com/magazine/st...ign-primary-joe-biden-elizabeth-warren-214023
"I believe that we were not letting an awful lot of people -- high school-educated, mostly Caucasian, but also people of color -- know that we understood their problems"
Yeah, I'm not so sure about that one. Especially given so many of them voted against their own interests anyway.
Besides, if the other side is willing to just straight lie about what's possible, your answer to their problem is never gonna sound great.
Yeah, I'm not so sure about that one. Especially given so many of them voted against their own interests anyway.
Besides, if the other side is willing to just straight lie about what's possible, your answer to their problem is never gonna sound great.
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What has Trump said to the working class that resonated with them, that Hillary hadn't?
America is already great because America is good
I'm very well aware of that. It's still a bummer that he still chose not to..
Literally anything
I would say entitled. Everyone in the DNC basically paved the way for her, including Obama telling Biden to stand down, and she ran her campaign in a pretty weak way as a result. She's a reflection of a lot of the problems with the Democratic party. I hope she quietly goes away and the party can fix itself.
"She's with you" or "She's with us" would have been much better imo.
No clear vision? I don't know about that considering all the documentation she released on her health plans and social plans. Lack of vision seems like the least of what her problems was.
Lack of concise, easily digested message? Sure. Failed to resonate but lets not act like she didn't have a lot to say regarding what she wanted.
Anyway most of this is moot, regardless of where the DNC goes it's on the backfoot now as we don't hold any majorities at the federal level and got routed at the state level with governorships. I wish them luck, they'll need it by the looks of it. Not looking forward to people fighting the primary to 2018.
Lack of concise, easily digested message? Sure. Failed to resonate but lets not act like she didn't have a lot to say regarding what she wanted.
Anyway most of this is moot, regardless of where the DNC goes it's on the backfoot now as we don't hold any majorities at the federal level and got routed at the state level with governorships. I wish them luck, they'll need it by the looks of it. Not looking forward to people fighting the primary to 2018.
dskillzhtown
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If his son didn't die, I am sure he would have.
outunderthestars
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This is the exact kind of bullshit that alienates voters while adding nothing of substance to a discussion.
Maybe in certain states, but not overall. Hillary had more people vote for her than Obama had in 2012. And only Obama in 2008 had more voters in any US presidential election.
This, pretty much. He at least acknowledge their existence, which was more or less a step up from Clinton. He ran campaigns there and showed up for meet and greets and rallies and talked about bringing jobs back to the south. Clinton did nothing.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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You're very aware but still putting him down like that wasn't a valid reason. OK
Great analysis, Joe. The primary reason why we hear shit like "Both parties are the same. Both parties are flawed." was the apparent elitism prevalent on the Democratic side this election cycle.
It's easy to label half of America as 'racist' to justify such a shocking loss but it has been evident, particularly after the election, that Hillary and the people whom she surrounded herself with simply were not personable, which can be mistaken for and easily misconstrued into a false sense of corruption.
With somebody like Obama on the campaign trail, you got the sense that he legitimately cared about the problems of ordinary Americans and had undergone many hardships himself. That was not present this cycle and needs to be addressed when choosing a candidate for 2020.
It's easy to label half of America as 'racist' to justify such a shocking loss but it has been evident, particularly after the election, that Hillary and the people whom she surrounded herself with simply were not personable, which can be mistaken for and easily misconstrued into a false sense of corruption.
With somebody like Obama on the campaign trail, you got the sense that he legitimately cared about the problems of ordinary Americans and had undergone many hardships himself. That was not present this cycle and needs to be addressed when choosing a candidate for 2020.
wesleyshark
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He went to these places. He spoke to them. He didn't pretend they didn't exist or were already "in the bag" to vote.
"I'll bring your jobs back that the Chinese and Mexicans stole!"
Just a question though, if you support someone because they make you an economic promise, but that promise is steeped in blatant bigotry and lies, does that reflect on you in any way?
He ain't wrong though. Trump's campaign was all about blaming "the other" for the issues of the white working class. He let them blame Hispanics for their lack of jobs, Muslims for their general insecurity, and African-Americans for the government not keeping things they way they liked it. His entire campaign was built on racism, full-stop.
Obama kind of sucked in retrospect, the guy weakened the shit out of the Democratic party and I have no idea why
TheLaughingStock
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That sounds like a load of BS. And white voters as well as people of color already know Democrats say they care.
andythinkpad
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She ran it for power obviously.
Time to burn down the old DEM house.
Time to burn down the old DEM house.
Nah. I'm a harsh Obama critic but I wouldn't go that far. He wasn't the messiah but he wasn't a terrible president, merely one with significant flaws.
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