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[BigEmil]

Glad I held off on buying a 4k TV.
I'll buy one in 2019/2020 at the least.

Gah, this is making me not want to make the jump to 4k for a long time. Really thinking I might stick with 1080p for the rest of this gen and go 4k when PS5 comes out.

That's my plan too

 

[televator]

I hope Scorpio is set to use adaptive sync. I'll buy into Microsoft for it.

 

[DieH@rd]

Nvidia will fully support an industry standard. There's no question about that.
(This is similar to how Nvidia fully supports Vulkan but did not support Mantle)

Adaptive Sync is an official Display Port standard. It's a part of it's free spec. Anybody can use it, and nobody prevents Nvidia to do so now.

AMD decided to give it name "Freesync" when in use with their Radeon GPUs. Nvidia can call their Adaptive Sync support however they want [gSync Basic or smth].

 

[jett]

Guess I'm more than good with my current TV now. I'll get a new one when this shit drops a few years from now.

 

[Samurai G0SU]

Gah how much will these new cables cost.

Right now we have 18gbs as the high speed right?
Now we move to 46gbs? Sheesh!

 

[VincentMatts]

Probably not unless you can actually install a separate breakout box that goes the TV like some of the Samsungs. Also who knows if any of the panels that are out right now can actually support some of this from the get-go.

Ouuu mine has that (KS8000), interesting.

 

[farisr]

Oh shit, variable refresh rates is a big deal from what I've heard. Maybe this will be to the next-gen consoles what HDR is right now (the feature that keeps the costs of TVs up).

 

[Orin GA]

Oh damn, so glad I didn't drop a grand on a new TV in the sales, my 1080p bad boy can do another year or two.

Glad I waited before purchasing a new monitor.

 

[Crimson_Gold]

So I won't be buying an AVR for a bit now

 

[Future PhaZe]

Good thing I kept my KS8000 box in great condition

Seems like TV's supporting this won't be available until 18 though.

 

[Caayn]

Nvidia will fully support an industry standard. There's no question about that.
(This is similar to how Nvidia fully supports Vulkan but did not support Mantle)

Nvidia doesn't support adaptive-sync even though it's part of the displayport standard. Even then Nvidia's mobile parts support adaptive-sync, but this is very limited and put under the g-sync banner.

I don't have any faith in Nvidia supporting a standard unless they invented it themselves or absolutely need to support it.

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...n-21-of-the-hdmi-specification-300384117.html



Should probably include this information in the OP to avoid confusion.

I don't think that means that HDMI 2.0 are forward compatible with HDMI 2.1. If you can give me clarification I'll add it to the OP.

 

[paskowitz]

TV manufacturers, you now have no excuse to not support Freesync/VRR on HDTVs. Thank you.

 

[metareferential]

Come on, bring the 4k120hz HRD gsync projectors on.

LIKE NOW

 

[Kaako]

Gah how much will these new cables cost.

Right now we have 18gbs as the high speed right?
Now we move to 46gbs? Sheesh!

Monoprice for under $10, guaranteed. No worries on cable costs.

 

[farisr]

So I won't be buying an AVR for a bit now

Yeah, same.

Also, I'm fine with my 4ktv purchase that I made a couple of months ago. These kinds of TVs (at least good/decent ones) are very likely not going to be in my pricerange till 2022.

 

[VincentMatts]

Good thing I kept my KS8000 box in great condition

Seems like TV's supporting this won't be available until 18 though.

This TV has a separate breakout box that could potentially be upgraded, if the TV support those features. Hopefully, it does.

 

[Izuna]

I hope Scorpio is set to use adaptive sync. I'll buy into Microsoft for it.

If it all possible, they should do whatever they can.

 

[kami_sama]

Nvidia will fully support an industry standard. There's no question about that.
(This is similar to how Nvidia fully supports Vulkan but did not support Mantle)

Isn't Adaptive-sync a vesa standard? An optional one, but still.

 

[AstroNut325]

I hope the CEs start using 2.1 this year.

 

[DieH@rd]

Isn't Adaptive-sync a vesa standard? An optional one, but still.

It is. And like the rest of the DP licence, it's free for everyone.

 

[Struct09]

Does this mean we'll see variable refresh rate TV's in the coming years? It's great that the cable supports it, but it seems the display tech will have to change to accommodate it.

 

[tuxfool]

Isn't Adaptive-sync a vesa standard? An optional one, but still.

They even support it in laptops.

 

[Sectorseven]

Does this help VR headsets in any way?

 

[Mindwipe]

I hope the CEs start using 2.1 this year.

How? The spec isn't finished until Q2. Where would the silicon come from to put in the sets? It'll be 2018 at best, only on very high end sets, and 2019 for higher priced mainstream ones. And 2021 for everyone.

 

[Wollan]

This standard will upgrade console (and PC) gaming going forward in a significant way. Already the best news of the year and will remain so on December 31st 2017.

 

[viHuGi]

Next gen is going to be so freaking amazing! "

 

[diablos991]

Damn. Fantastic news for those of us not buying 4K sets yet.

Variable refresh rate is a game changer.

 

[Danny Dudekisser]

Can we just move to Displayport, please? Please?

 

[grizzelye]

Finally. Need to buy a new tv and bluray player that have hdmi 2.1 now

... bye bye LG E6

 

[DieH@rd]

How? The spec isn't finished until Q2. Where would the silicon come from to put in the sets? It'll be 2018 at best, only on very high end sets, and 2019 for higher priced mainstream ones. And 2021 for everyone.

It will not be such as long deployment, but yes, this will at best start landing into TVs, monitors and new GPUs in late 2017.

 

[b0bbyJ03]

Glad I held off on buying a 4k TV.
I'll buy one in 2019/2020 at the least.


That's my plan too

I never understand these posts. We all know that its inevitable that tech will evolve every single year. it will never stop. Do we say "Glad I didn't get a PS4 cause the PS5 is coming in 2 years"? It's not like you don't enjoy whatever you get at the time for a few years.

 

[Kaako]

So the new 2017 LG OLEDs won't have HDMI 2.1 correct?
God damn now I'm not sure what to do cause I really would like VRR.

 

[Ricerocket]

Released in Q2 2017, then TVs have to support it in theirs for late 2017, early 2018 at a premium price. Gonna be awhile.

 

[Alexious]

So what you're saying is don't buy a 4K TV this year after all?

Technological innovation never stops. You could make the same argument every year, forever.

 

[Zalusithix]

Does this help VR headsets in any way?

Other than allowing headsets to continue to use HDMI and not jump to being DP only, not much. It has higher bandwidth capabilities than even the most recent DP, but at what distances with the new cable remains to be seen.

 

[VincentMatts]

I never understand these posts. We all know that its inevitable that tech will evolve every single year. it will never stop. Do we say "Glad I didn't get a PS4 cause the PS5 is coming in 2 years"? It's not like you don't enjoy whatever you get at the time for a few years.

yeah i dont get it either. I just bought my KS8000 and im super happy. Theres no way im going to wait another 2 years to "possibly" be able to afford a new TV that has this.

 

[RoboPlato]

I hope some 2017 sets support the spec. Advanced HDR will take a lot of the headaches out of setting it up and adaptive refresh rate is awesome, although it'll probably be a while before consoles support it. Definitely a big boon for living room PC set ups though.

 

[inner-G]

Dynamic HDR...

Your new 4K/HDR TV is outdated

Whoa, is Game Mode VRR like g-sync?

Once HDMI 2.1 is out in the wild, will Gsync be obsolete?

Not until we know how well it works and with what devices.

G-sync outperforms other types of adaptive sync so far.

 

[CrunchyFrog]

Why is VRR something you'd have to toggle and restricted to gaming apps? Why not just have it on for 24/23/48fps video content as well on top of that and just call it a day? Or does enabling VRR have some negative effect on other stuff like bitrate or color gamut or contrast something?

 

[mrklaw]

Does eARC finally mean an end to DD5.1 limitations for audio from TV to receiver? If so that's long overdue. They talk about object based stuff but I'd be happy with lossless audio

Might hold off on a receiver purchase until this is available. Need one anyway for 4k/HDR so might as well get hdmi 2.1 as well

 

[Drifters]

So... 4K Pro or 4K+?

God this is going to get more confusing.

 

[Heel]

I don't think that means that HDMI 2.0 are forward compatible with HDMI 2.1. If you can give me clarification I'll add it to the OP.

http://www.cepro.com/article/new_hdmi_2_1_specification_supports_8k60hz_with_hdr_4k120hz

The new specification, which is formally being announced at CES 2017, will be available to all HDMI 2.0 Adopters and they will be notified when it is released early in Q2 2017.

“We have no clear understanding of when products will be out. Many of the HDMI Forum members have an early look at the spec so they may be working on products already,” says Pasqualino. “There will be a requirement for active cables after a certain length. I do not expect to see significant growth in the footprint of the cable. Connectors will be the same.”

A compliance test is being developed. It is underway now but it will take about months to write it, says Pasqualino. Prior to the release of the compliance test, it will be up to the individual companies themselves to test their equipment to the spec.

...

Tobias adds, "How an individual piece of equipment will meet the 2.1 standard will depend on the manufacturer and the features. Some manufacturers may be able to achieve 2.1 compliance with just a firmware upgrade; others will require new hardware," he says.

Depends, it seems. I'd hope the current crop will at least be able to add the dynamic HDR metadata portion of the spec.

 

[Syrus]

So does this mean it can be upgraded via update?

I hope my AVR will update to it or scorpio with 2 hdmi

 

[Wollan]

I'm curious on the extent the HDMI 2.0 adapter standard can be upgraded. It doesn't tell if adaptive sync etc can be applied. If so then PS4 Pro's got a significant new feature (for all that eventually upgrade their TV's).

But if the 2.0 cannot be updated to receive adaptive sync then Microsoft should seriously consider delaying the Scorpio mere months (if needed) to obtain the standard. It's a game changer.

edit: PS4 Pro has HDMI 2.0, base has 1.4.

 

[SeeNoWeevil]

Variable refresh isn't interesting until they can make it work in conjunction with BFI, imo.

HDMI 2.0 buyers really got burnt here.

 

[Trojita]

Fuck Yeah! Except for the likelyhood that I will need to buy ANOTHER receiver when I just bought an Anthem one.

 

[DieH@rd]

I'm curious on the extent the HDMI 2.0 adapter standard can be upgraded. It doesn't tell if adaptive sync etc can be applied. If so then suddenly 50+ million PS4's got a significant new feature (for all that eventually upgrade their TV's).

But if the 2.0 cannot be updated to receive adaptive sync then Microsoft should seriously consider delaying the Scorpio mere months to obtain the standard.

Even if Scorpio's Radeon GPU has the support for it [most likely it does not], what if the HDMI 2.1 transmitter chip costs MS few dozen cents more? Who will in their right mind support that kind of cost [which will add up to millions over life of the console] if only ones who will be able to use it are totally brand new TV owners?

 

[eFKac]

Good timing, PS5 will implement this.

TVs in 2019 should have at least one input as well.

 

[farisr]

So as a person who hasn't seen variable refresh rates in person, would this help games with frame pacing issues, because if so maybe folks who want it can finally have a stutter free Bloodborne with the PS5 (if it's backwards compatible)

I'm curious on the extent the HDMI 2.0 adapter standard can be upgraded. It doesn't tell if adaptive sync etc can be applied. If so then suddenly 50+ million PS4's got a significant new feature (for all that eventually upgrade their TV's).

But if the 2.0 cannot be updated to receive adaptive sync then Microsoft should seriously consider delaying the Scorpio mere months to obtain the standard.

Why delay the Scorpio to obtain a standard nearly all people won't be able to utilize now, when you can hold off on having it be a key differentiating feature for the Sagittarius a few years down the line when it's a bit more common.

 

[b0bbyJ03]

Bros I'll have a heart attack if I somehow end up getting firmware updates that provide me with VRR on my B6 and PS4. That's pretty much the dream right there.