cireza
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This sounds like the management at PG was not doing so good.
We need more single player games.
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Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]
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We need more single player games.
Salty Rice
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Means not much to be honest. As long its not officially canceled you gonna mention it of course.
Scalebound was mentioned for 2017 until this week too after all.
This is the last I heard about it http://m.ign.com/articles/2016/12/05/crackdown-3-aiming-for-holiday-2017-or-earlier-release-date
So as of 1 month ago it's a 2017 holiday release or sooner.
My guess is it'll be at e3 in full force. If not it's dead.
I think this was the last thing.
Far from impresive.
I never saw this, where'd this come from?
anothertech
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I just realized we saw FAR more gameplay and footage of Scalebound than we ever did of Crackdown. We never even had gameplay did we??
Oh sht moment
Oh sht moment
We did have gameplay (pre-alpha) of Crackdown, and it always looked better than Scalebound (imo of course)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EWANLy9TjRc
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anothertech
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No that's the tech demo stuff from a year and a half ago.
I mean actual gameplay footage like we got for the last year from Scalebound.
lol at 'always looked better' btw.
Why is that lol?
Scalebound never looked fun to me. I always felt that demonstrations did more harm than good. Crackdowns footage had the opposite effect, even though it was pre-alpha footage.
I doubt I'm the only one, look at how differently these presentations were received here:
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1090704
http://m.neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=1232689
How is Scalebounds footage 'actual gameplay' and Crackdowns not?
In both cases, devs are actually playing the unfinished game...
Did you ever used the word impressive with anything related to Xbox? In a positive way?
yurinka
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Some of you keep mentioning Below as a MS exclusive, but it's a timed exclusive. Like Inside it will be released in PS4 too:
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-08-08-capybaras-roguelike-below-is-only-a-timed-exclusive-for-xbox-one
Don't get me wrong, I love the C3 footage. But as far as I know we have only seen a third person avatar destroying stuff, mainly buildings, and not the actual game around it. Impressive as hell but it still seems more of a tech display than an actual slice of end product gameplay.
"Far from impressive"I think this was the last thing.
Far from impresive.
u wot m8
The tech behind what's been shown is incredibly impressive. Unsure on the complete implementation in the final game but I'm looking forward to seeing what they can show off. Crackdown will be fine.
Kssio_Aug
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TBH giving the level of graphics in that gif (flat boxes, empty scenario), it is not that impressive indeed. I used to do similar things with Crysis sandbox tool without the cloud computing.
onemanasylum
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It's your right, but buying a console for a game we barely have seen anything out of and is not out yet is not exactly smart.
Clicked on the latest Podcast unlocked, curious to see what they'll say and how Ryan was going to react
Saw he wasn't there.....oh....
Then his colleagues say, "He's sending out a tweetstorm that everything is fine." and I thought, 'Yep, that's Ryan all right."
Do note the word tweetstorm was used.
Saw he wasn't there.....oh....
Then his colleagues say, "He's sending out a tweetstorm that everything is fine." and I thought, 'Yep, that's Ryan all right."
Do note the word tweetstorm was used.
Kssio_Aug
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I understand, opinions and all, but... let's suppose Crackdown 3 and / or Sea of Thieves end up not delivering expectations. What MS would have to compensate for that? Except if the player do enjoy Halo, Gears and Forza M./H., and if MS releases all of them in the same year (unlikely, expensive and counter productive), there's a big chance they fail to deliver the players expectatives with only these things in project.
That's the problem. They may have couple different options from their classic trio, but they need more studios working on more games for them, otherwise they barely have any emergency exit in case something goes wrong.
Bad games releases all the time for every platform. But in the case of Sony and Nintendo they still have plenty of different options so people can still end up satisfied. MS had in their hands plenty of studios and deals too, but instead of keeping with them a good relationship they wiped everything away... and that's an issue.
Yes, Scalebound was impressive.
Yeah I would say Sony and Nintendo do a much better job than Microsoft of not doing direct sequel after direct sequel on the same console since that's not going to get people to buy your system. If someone isn't interested in Forza then another Forza isn't going to get them to buy your system. Even if you look at Mario, he stars in a lot of games but usually they're nearly all different and there's only been a few direct sequels to Mario games on the same system.
Hahaha, that's a good one.
In the 57 threads that have "scalebound" in its title, you posted in the following:
thread: Scalebound got very little hype. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=873290
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thread: IGN:New Scalebound Details. Klobb: "Has potential to be Game of all Time" http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=970250
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thread: Scalebound, Crackdown and Quantum Break at Gamescom http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1061403
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thread: Gamescom: Microsoft press conference (August 4; Scalebound, Crackdown, QB, H5+ more) http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1072793
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thread: GameSpot says Scalebound, Gears Of War 4 coming to PC, then mentions it was a mistake http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1182803
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thread: Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented] http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1332178&highlight=
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Kssio_Aug
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Their 1st gameplay trailer was really impressive imo. Great action game, nice environments, big enemies and all that. That gameplay they released later of a boss fight was quite ugly though. At first I thought it could be either a) a bad section visually wise; or b) they would still make some improvements there. But I guess the development should already be in hell when they presented it.
Man, the more I think about it the more I feel that the bigger topic here is the fact that so much work, i.e. so many art assets and designs, will be shelved simply because a publisher doesn't believe in the project anymore (in part because it was their own habit of forcing certain design decisions, like online multiplayer in what initially seemed like a single player game, that led to problems in the first place - if the rumors are true). That seems like such a colossal waste and such a downer for the people at PG who worked on this for so long.
I wonder if there could be any way in which PG could salvage things from their work on Scalebound and use them in other projects to some degree. Or is everything to be shelved forever simply because Microsoft paid for the development? If the latter, how fair is that if this could end up sinking PG or at least completely demoralize a large percentage of them? How will gamers benefit from PG closing down in the absolute worst case (Phil Spencer)?
(Frankly, I'm also getting a bit frustrated by all the comments everywhere - not just on Gaf mind you - about people not caring about the cancellation because the game didn't look interesting to them in the first place. Are people really that self-serving that they can't look beyond their own immediate interests at the larger issues with this sudden cancellation? Larger issues such as a development studio entering tough times because of a publisher's decision to end their collaboration (possibly caused by the enforcement of design decisions from higher up that led to differences) and a quite complete looking game that others have in fact been interested in never seeing the light of day? Or the largest issue of all that this could happen to any game in development since publishers and their lawyers have all the power it seems? It's the "I don't care if SFV has no arcade mode because I never played those anyway" argument all over again...)
I wonder if there could be any way in which PG could salvage things from their work on Scalebound and use them in other projects to some degree. Or is everything to be shelved forever simply because Microsoft paid for the development? If the latter, how fair is that if this could end up sinking PG or at least completely demoralize a large percentage of them? How will gamers benefit from PG closing down in the absolute worst case (Phil Spencer)?
(Frankly, I'm also getting a bit frustrated by all the comments everywhere - not just on Gaf mind you - about people not caring about the cancellation because the game didn't look interesting to them in the first place. Are people really that self-serving that they can't look beyond their own immediate interests at the larger issues with this sudden cancellation? Larger issues such as a development studio entering tough times because of a publisher's decision to end their collaboration (possibly caused by the enforcement of design decisions from higher up that led to differences) and a quite complete looking game that others have in fact been interested in never seeing the light of day? Or the largest issue of all that this could happen to any game in development since publishers and their lawyers have all the power it seems? It's the "I don't care if SFV has no arcade mode because I never played those anyway" argument all over again...)
Yea man, I've been into a heated argument with a friend over this aspect of gaming, I was defending the fact that indie games DO sell consoles, not directly, but people still play them, buy them, expect them, etc etc, they're a thing, those "indie games" and that they expand the horizon of a console. So when Sony put a focus on a them during their conference, even if they sell 50k console each, that's still 50k, and then people who already had the console may buy them, enjoy them and enjoy the system even more.
It's supposed to be seen as a network, that only makes sense when you look at the bigger picture. But nope, all he could see was AAA games.
As far as I'm concerned, anything shown at a trade show is just a tech display. They are always sure to mention things may change come the final build.
That said, Without the UI, the traffic and the enemies, Crackdown 3 has looked fun.
Even while having more of the final systems in place, Scalebound looked like it lacked a compelling gameplay loop.
I don't know how else to explain it, but pre-alpha Crackdown looked like a better game to me than ANY of the scalebound builds we've seen.
Damn. We're reaching record levels of pettiness in this thread.
Some people just have too much to keep the size of their e-peens.
Killer Queen
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Someone should ask Kamiya if he has hard feelings for MS
But if you could use cloud computing to handle that aspect of the game, then you'd have freed your PC to do additional interesting things with its local hardware.
That's what makes it impressive.
In fact, this comes from a dev blog using a simplified model about how explosion chains will work. Using it in a context to show how bad the developement of crackdown, when we've seen the early build city part of the game, is pretty disingenuous.
http://www.crackdown.com/2016/03/18/developer-blog-the-art-science-of-blowing-sht-up/
LordKasual
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I think this was the last thing.
Far from impresive.
Boy.
The Crackdown 2 demonstrations were anything but unimpressive.
Savage, sir. Just savage. While others might not like this, I laughed my ass off and like to see folks holding each other accountable and calling out bullshit.
This is why you don't bad-mouth Prince. Got these XBONE owners fucked up.
klabautermann
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I didn't play the Witcher 3, so correct me if I'm wrong, but CDProjeckt has over 100 more employees than Platinum does and also didn't have to shoe horn a multiplayer mode into a game that includes giant set piece bosses and also render 4 players and 4 giant dragons on the screen at the same time. Might be missing the context to your post, but it makes sense for Scalebound to have the performance issues the rumors say it did based on that alone.
intheinbetween
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sorry for bringing this post from several pages back, but just in case anyone has forgotten, From Software has worked with MS developing exclusive titles since OG XBOX:
OG XBOX: Otogi, Otogi II, Marakumo, Thousand Land, and Metal Wolf Chaos
XBOX 360: Chromehounds, Ninja Blade
Development team for The Witcher 3 was well over double in size. There's also a lot more to game development than scale (not to take away from the monumental achievent that is TW3); for example dragons is a notoriously tough subject (just ask any dev who's worked on a game that as 3rd person dragons, like Larian or Factor 5, they are probaly going to say it's living hell in working form) in game development, as the systems it encompasses far eclipse basic bi-peds in complexi
I never thought Scalebound would be a "great" game and I still stand by that based on all the showings. However, I think it was an important game for Microsoft, especially considering their platform is devoid of Japanese content. Xbox really is a hard sell if you don't care for their three big franchises.
hydrophilic attack
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that was a different microsoft and a different xbox department than what we have today
im a sucker for these kinds of games... and to be honest... one of the reasons i DID end up with an XB1 (thank fucking christ it was free) what the shit is MS doing? how are they gonna sell scorpio when they dont have anything for it? (imagine if crackdown was delayed to get rid of cloud-processing to use scorpio processing instead... lol)
ebullientprism
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Fucking LOL.
Huge Succeeded
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I think this was the last thing.
Far from impresive.
if that gif or the thought of that many moving interactive objects in a play space doesn't impress you in some manner then I wanna see the games you've been playing lately
exactly
Sammy Samusu
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Let us talk for a minute.
You got the Nintendo fanboy part right, but believe me when I tell you that I don`t give a fuck about Scalebound.
That was my response to the Scalebound demo.
And my post here on this thread was actually CRITICIZING Nintendo for reviving trash games like Devil`s Third, so I joked about Scalebound being their next pick.
My response to Devil`s Third being revived.
Now stop with the fan fics!
Samurai G0SU
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Detective gaf in full force tonight yall.(not by me)
Better clench ya butts that noneya stuff gets lit on fire and smoke plumes the thread!
Better clench ya butts that noneya stuff gets lit on fire and smoke plumes the thread!
You know, they can always show Forza or one of the other upcoming exclusives. It's not a lot, but it's not like they had nothing. They can also just show off some multiplats on Scorpio running in 4K or whatever.
Kssio_Aug
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Yeah, I actually agree. But the gif itself is does not impress me by itself. The concept however is very intriguing (but not really inspires confidence, cause my internet is quite unstable).
RazielCuts
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I'm sure he's blocked them on Twitter.
I don't think you understand what is going on in some of those demonstrations.
This is such a bad post. The size of the map doesnt freaking determine how long it takes.
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