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[boiled goose]

You know...

I didn't think it could be possible but Switch might have WORSE online than WiiU and 3DS.

Nothing so far seems to indicate progress on features and integration and it's not free anymore.

Surreal.

 

[Harlock]

Any word about how the online account system works? You know, if is like the PS4 and Xbox.

 

[JP]

It seems almost churlish to joke about it but what are the odds on this being a complete list of the first 30 months worth of free monthly rental games?

 

[Chuck Norris]

Nintendo have told us they are charging without any value proposition

I mean MS's value was that they were miles ahead of the game when they first started charging
Sony's was that they organically built up a subscription base through PS+ well before going to full charging by providing excellent value in that service. They also dramatically improved their offering coming into this gen

Nintendo can't just half ass it AND expect people to pay

 

[Machina]

It seems almost churlish to joke about it but what are the odds on this being a complete list of the first 30 months worth of free monthly rental games?

That is exactly the sort of echo chamber, air headed move I would expect from them at this point.

 

[butman]

I suppose they will implement a service as PS+/ Games with Gold.
If not is a fucking robbery.

 

[Griss]

This service is screaming $20 a month at most. That sounds ok but still severely lacking some of the most basic features from what's detailed in this picture. Chatting over a smartphone is so stupid considering that was the argument made for the lack of party chat on the PS3.....and I'm not going to do this...no

$240 dollars a year for this? Online and a couple of NES games?

...it's Nintendo, I can see it.

 

[Hobbun]

I’m confused.

Will the Switch have a Virtual Console or not? Barring the ‘free one NES or SNES game per month’. I mean from what it sounds like is that’s it available during that month and then you no longer have access to it.

Will I be able to purchase VC games like I could with the Wii/Wii U? Are they going to continue to release more VC games (there are so many that can still be released)?

 

[JP]

That is exactly the sort of echo chamber, air headed move I would expect from them at this point.

I almost say said it as a joke but it just sort of fits in with exactly how they do things at the moment.

 

[Hibiki Kurosawa]

Free NES and SNES games for a month as in we have a month to nab it up for free, or do we lose access to it after the month is up?

 

[Hentailover]

I... I... I actually think nintendo wants out of console business but somebody influential keeps pulling the strings so they are trying to make convincing attempts that are actually doomed by design...


I just don't get the switch at this point...

 

[Machina]

Free NES and SNES games for a month as in we have a month to nab it up for free, or do we lose access to it after the month is up?

The latter. You're literally paying a subscription to rent digital games that you lose at the end of the month for something else.

Don't wanna lose your progress you say? Buy the game before the month is up.

Nintendo.

 

[nampad]

The service sounds bad so far, hope they can clear up things (wording on the free games, whether voice chat is also available on the device alone).

 

[Linkark07]

Free game for a month? And just NES or SNES? This is bad.

 

[Dunlop]

You know...

I didn't think it could be possible but Switch might have WORSE online than WiiU and 3DS.

Nothing so far seems to indicate progress on features and integration and it's not free anymore.

Surreal.

I've given up on Nintendo since the WiiU

They are sitting on a mountain of money but their online offerings are still a decade behind the competition

 

[mrklaw]

it sounds like even the phone app is paid for? Initially a free, limited version will be available.

surely it can't be possible that they charge you for online play, and then charge you again for voice/party chat on the phone? Probably wouln't be recurring, but still could be a one-off charge.

 

[Machina]

it sounds like even the phone app is paid for? Initially a free, limited version will be available.

surely it can't be possible that they charge you for online play, and then charge you again for voice/party chat on the phone? Probably wouln't be recurring, but still could be a one-off charge.

No chance in hell. That is just a massive middle finger to everyone.

 

[Johannsson]

The only reason I'd ever pay for this is because I have to in order to play Splatoon 2 online. That's it. Even Mario Kart online isn't worth paying a monthly subscription for.

 

[Anoregon]

This service is screaming $20 a month at most. That sounds ok but still severely lacking some of the most basic features from what's detailed in this picture. Chatting over a smartphone is so stupid considering that was the argument made for the lack of party chat on the PS3.....and I'm not going to do this...no

$20 a month for this is fucking insane. $40 a year is pushing it.

 

[gaiages]

I’m confused.

Will the Switch have a Virtual Console or not? Barring the ‘free one NES or SNES game per month’. I mean from what it sounds like is that’s it available during that month and then you no longer have access to it.

Will I be able to purchase VC games like I could with the Wii/Wii U? Are they going to continue to release more VC games (there are so many that can still be released)?

I'm really wondering this too. I do hope that there is a VC, and that it is handled far better than it has been with the drip releases

 

[PaulLFC]

Nintendo have told us they are charging without any value proposition

I mean MS's value was that they were miles ahead of the game when they first started charging
Sony's was that they organically built up a subscription base through PS+ well before going to full charging by providing excellent value in that service. They also dramatically improved their offering coming into this gen

Nintendo can't just half ass it AND expect people to pay

Exactly.

With Games With Gold, you get two games per month, and can keep them for as long as you have a subscription. If you cancel, you can play the games again if and when you re-subscribe. If you were already in the Xbox ecosystem and have a 360, you have an additional two games a month, and you can keep those forever, subscription or not.

With PS+, you get at least two PS4 games a month (sometimes more with cross-buy), and as with GWG you can keep them as long as you subscribe, then re-subscribe to access them again. If you have a PS3 and/or Vita, you have access to even more games, up to 6 per month.

For both services this is on top of now-expected features such as online multiplayer, voice/party chat, cloud save storage, and so on.

Now for Switch's online - includes online multiplayer and voice chat, as with the two above services. Their "free" game offering is where it looks distinctly less like good value compared to the competition. One game per month, and not a recent game at that (NES or SNES only). I'm not saying all games should be recent, but when your competition is providing recent games, it would have made sense to at least try and offer a mix of newer and older titles.

To make matters worse, there is confusion over whether you even get to play the one game after the month is over. Then there is the lack of major online titles for the Switch to make online multiplayer worth paying a monthly fee for (based on currently known software, at least).

Nintendo have to think very carefully about how to price this service unless there are dramatic improvements and additional features they have yet to announce. Given what we know currently, I don't think $5/month or $50/year would seem worth the cost at all for what's being offered.

 

[Hibiki Kurosawa]

The latter. You're literally paying a subscription to rent digital games that you lose at the end of the month for something else.

Don't wanna lose your progress you say? Buy the game before the month is up.

Nintendo.

Well that's disappointing. Oh well, kinda expecting they have a silly feature on their subs. Whatever, the rest of the console is cool enough.

 

[Nazgul_Hunter]

Nintendo so stingy:

Subscribers will get to download and play a Nintendo Entertainment System™ (NES) or Super Nintendo Entertainment System™ (Super NES) game (with newly-added online play) for free for a month.

I think that means the game locks at the end of the month... probably won't be our choice of what game either. Can't wait to play Balloon Fight for a month

 

[leeh]

Exactly.

With Games With Gold, you get two games per month, and can keep them for as long as you have a subscription. If you cancel, you can play the games again if and when you re-subscribe. If you were already in the Xbox ecosystem and have a 360, you have an additional two games a month, and you can keep those forever, subscription or not.

Just to chime in, you actually keep them if you cancel gold

Totally agree with the switch online outrage though. Terrible value.

 

[Nerazar]

It seems almost churlish to joke about it but what are the odds on this being a complete list of the first 30 months worth of free monthly rental games?

If they get online multiplayer capabilities - why not?

It's the only way to play those games legally and online. I wonder about the SNES or(!) NES-titles - do we get a choice or do we just get what they want us to have?

 

[AHA-Lambda]

This service is screaming $20 a month at most. That sounds ok but still severely lacking some of the most basic features from what's detailed in this picture. Chatting over a smartphone is so stupid considering that was the argument made for the lack of party chat on the PS3.....and I'm not going to do this...no

$20 a month??

Are you high? Surely that's a typo and you meant $20 a year?

 

[tiredheadcrab]

It has those online features built in native to the OS right? This cant all be through a smart phone app. No way would they do that.

 

[Nzyme32]

This service is screaming $20 a month at most. That sounds ok but still severely lacking some of the most basic features from what's detailed in this picture. Chatting over a smartphone is so stupid considering that was the argument made for the lack of party chat on the PS3.....and I'm not going to do this...no

It's not even screaming £5 a month, but then again I feel the same for all the console online services. Vote with your wallet

 

[Tacklemacain]

Well what other games should they offer? There arent many switch games, so giving them out for free is not realy an option.

 

[Lom1lo]

I hope this gets extendes on n64/gc/wii vc games.
And why only a 1 month rental ? I dont get how they can think, this is a good value (if it costs more than 10 € a year)

 

[Tregard]

Well what other games should they offer? There arent many switch games, so giving them out for free is not realy an option.

If your service isn't worth paying for, don't start charging for it

 

[jmdajr]

They don't even let you keep the games! That are like..30 years old!literally!

Hell how many are on that NES mini?

 

[Machina]

Well what other games should they offer? There arent many switch games, so giving them out for free is not realy an option.

Gamecube VC games seems like the obvious answer. The Switch would have been much better received if Nintendo announced earlier that Switch "plus" or whatever its called was launching with a popular gamecube game like RE4 or Mario Sunshine or Eternal Darkness or Luigi's Mansion or F-Zero, and that is with the assumption the model is based on PS Plus and not this "you rent then lose" garbage.

But no, instead we'll get Balloon Fight full stop.

 

[Back-In-Black]

This truly is laughable, the company a decade behind in online services is now asking for consumers money. At least Sony fucked us slowly with an amazing free service for so long before deciding they weren't going to let MS gobble up all that free money. Nintendo still doesn't have basic online features.

 

[trixx]

This service is screaming $20 a month at most. That sounds ok but still severely lacking some of the most basic features from what's detailed in this picture. Chatting over a smartphone is so stupid considering that was the argument made for the lack of party chat on the PS3.....and I'm not going to do this...no

$20 a month you mean 20 a year? Xbox and ps4 is $50 a year

 

[GitarooMan]

There aren't enough lols in the world for the 30-day rental VC game. How fucking cheap can you be?

 

[The Hermit]

Wait I need another device to chat online send invites etc?????? This can't be real it just can't be right?.

Phone or nothin pal

,

It might be easier to just call the person during a game session lol

 

[Rebel Leader]

30 day rentals? You don't keep it if you keep the subscription up... what the hell

,

It might be easier to just call the person during a game session lol

Or just keep using discord

 

[Back-In-Black]

30 day rentals? You don't keep it if you keep the subscription up... what the hell



Or just keep using discord

Don't worry you get to Switch to a new game every month. xD

 

[Skatterd]

I agree that it's super dumb if you can't keep the game, but we should at least wait on confirmation?

 

[Gotdatmoney]

I'm not paying money for this period. When their online sucked but it got me playing against people it was honestly fine. But they are gonna charge money and that is the shit they are offerimg. Nope.

 

[slightconfuse]

Nintendo still showing they have no idea what they are doing when it comes to online.

I fully expect no proper account system.

Paying them to use my phone wtf

 

[ccbfan]

Only way I would pay for this is if it evolves into some sort of Netflix model for all the VC games.

 

[Kai Dracon]

The way "online lobby and voice chat" is a separate bullet point from the phone app having chat functionality makes it seem like those are different things. However Nintendo is still pretty awful with messaging and giving people hard information in a sensible way.

I get the impression that even at this point, Japan controls all information and messaging 100% and they don't understand anything outside Japan, period.

Being a paid service demands more value and features though, and yes, Nintendo is going to get roasted if this thing is fucked up. FYI though, they'd already said a while back that their next console would be moving towards online account / cloud services. My Nintendo is the new basis of that. It's getting hooked into their games and smartphone apps.

So in that regard, it seems the Switch is moving towards what people normally consider account-based. Again though, Nintendo deserves blame for simply refusing to tell people how things work.

 

[AcademicSaucer]

- Our new dedicated smart device app will connect to Nintendo Switch and let you invite friends to play online, set play appointments, and chat with friends during online matches in compatible games─all from your smart device.

Lol at paying to do that shit on your phone, Nintendo are out of their minds

 

[DrROBschiz]

Lol at paying to do that shit on your phone, Nintendo are out of their minds

Dude im so furious at the feature set

How do you fuck this up

Vita literally does it better

 

[PeterLegend]

You thought PSN was bad, just wait and see lol

 

[Xumbrega]

It can't be only on your smartphone.. right guys? RIGHT?

Please tell me there's a proper cross chat on the console...

 

[GraveRobberX]

I've been away for a bit from Gaming side, the hell kind of "Features" are these

1 fucking NES or SNES game from their library to play for only 30 days, if it has MP, then you need to buy the so called apo down the line to chat...


How many fucking hoops do you have to jump to play a Nintendo game now
Like Friends Code+++ is the new system

 

[muteki]

I struggle to justify paying for Plus like hell I would pay for a Nintendo variant with even less features.

Also the "with new added online features" for VC games to me confirms you are buying them again.