-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
The Switch has a fairly diverse lineup in terms of the different genres we're seeing.
ArkhamFantasy
Member
Yeah, The lineup isnt the issue.
Agreed, it goes back to what you were saying about no clear path to success here.
Unless PS4 actually manages to adequately absorb the Vita audience
Psycho_Mantis
Banned
Isn't it a launch game. 5 fighters and some stages with one mode so far.
Partly because PS4 exists, hence it being easier for someone like SE to port games compared to PS3 -> WiiU. That being said I think third parties may also be confused: is Nintendo going to bring a 3DS successor or is this it?
Congratulations on beating a total of 2?
how many jprgs did the WiiU have lol
Actual source? I want to see with my own eyes
@Okami: Yeah, I was expecting Musou All-Stars to show up at launch, even when we thought the console's release date were March 18th. Depending on how far along (and how relatively high budget) is FE:Warriors and on the fact there is technically a major Musou port at launch already (DQHI-II), I could partially justify them, though.
No, it's not launch. It early in the life cycle but we almost certainly haven't seen everything.
I'm not sure if it's confusion(SE should definitely know the general direction Nintendo is going) but maybe hesitation to jump in straight away.
Actual source? I want to see with my own eyes
@Okami: Yeah, I was expecting Musou All-Stars to show up at launch, even when we thought the console's release date were March 18th. Depending on how far along (and how relatively high budget) is FE:Warriors and on the fact there is technically a major Musou port at launch already (DQHI-II), I could partially justify them, though.
This was posted in the Tekken community thread but I'm not sure if it's an older comment. I couldn't see it when I went on their EU Facebook.
Kresnik258
Member
I'm surprised they didn't go for more mid-tier-currently-in-Sony-ecosystem games for launch. Super Robot Wars V; Musou Stars; Accel World vs. SAO are all coming out in the next few months and presumably would be a fairly easy port to Switch.
Judging by their current strategy of releasing last year's game's for launch, though, maybe we can expect them there in 2018?
ZSaberLink
Media Create Maven
It was just speculation because it made sense.
chris wat did u decide on with the switch label?
only one that makes sense is SWI
if this wasn't their end goal, they wouldn't have gambled both their hardware lines into one with the switch
only one that makes sense is SWI
iwata has talked about it before
if this wasn't their end goal, they wouldn't have gambled both their hardware lines into one with the switch
Switch looks pretty unappealing as either a portable or a home console. If you made a Venn diagram of appeal to both console gamers and handheld gamers the overlap would probably be pretty small. Maybe they can make an appealing handheld version after a die shrink, until then I would expect it to sell more like Wii-U than 3DS.
I believe it to be their end goal too, but they haven't been brave enough to come out and say it, at least not to the public. Maybe they have told some developers. But so far from the games announced by 3rd party developers it does not look like they are sure there won't be a handheld coming out in the future.
The Switch's launch doesn't look like that of 2 systems combined, at least what has been shown to date.
as a company it is in their best interest to unofficially place switch in the "third pillar" category, just in case they have to go back to their old ways for watever reason
wat really matters is that they unified their software development teams, that is official, whether theres one or two hardware configurations really doesn't make a difference once that has happened, think ios-like where the games are the same, no matter if its an iphone or an ipad
also every hardware launch is pretty bad in terms of launch lineup, the differences are minute and only vary in taste, but for the most part, the launch lineup means jack compared to the support it gets in the long run
For some, sure. That's the overlap in the Venn diagram. I'm just saying that there probably isn't a particularly large audience for that. I'm not really in for any rude awakenings however it sells though
i see alot of people still underestimating the power of pokemon/mh/ac/mario forcing a market into submission
this will be fun
if we're counting just people who buy nintendo hardware, ur guaranteed 10-20m at the least, besides nintendo is relying on nostalgia as much as creating the demand like they did with wii/ds, this is the first time we have a true dedicated hybrid, its really anyone's guess
sorry but it'll be a very RUDE awakening for u, bet that lol
this will be fun
wat is a big audience to u tho?For some, sure. That's the overlap in the Venn diagram. I'm just saying that there probably isn't a particularly large audiance for that. I'm not really in for any rude awakenings however it sells though
if we're counting just people who buy nintendo hardware, ur guaranteed 10-20m at the least, besides nintendo is relying on nostalgia as much as creating the demand like they did with wii/ds, this is the first time we have a true dedicated hybrid, its really anyone's guess
sorry but it'll be a very RUDE awakening for u, bet that lol
KuwabaraTheMan
Banned
Ōkami;228310712 said:
Well, if it's not going to be available at launch, then it would probably make sense for them to say nothing until the game comes out, and then announce a Switch version a couple months later.
I'd think it has at least a decent chance of hitting the system at some point later in the year.
nintendo definitely has big things for switch by end of the year
they love their short notice releases, its the best way to do it when u can consistently pump out quality games, no need to drown out hype with unreleased games
i think they would have shown more games on a global scale if people weren't so into the hybrid hype, they feel they can delay their games another half year since mario + zelda and launch hype will carry it
that makes me feel weary but if it means a consistent 2018, then so be it
they love their short notice releases, its the best way to do it when u can consistently pump out quality games, no need to drown out hype with unreleased games
i think they would have shown more games on a global scale if people weren't so into the hybrid hype, they feel they can delay their games another half year since mario + zelda and launch hype will carry it
that makes me feel weary but if it means a consistent 2018, then so be it
I just don't think that there's a significant proportion of the dedicated hardware consumer base that requires an all in one portable+home console. I think that they have different requirements. For home consoles power/price is probably the most important thing (all things being equal), whereas for portables portability/price is probably the most important factor. Switch is pretty poor on either of these metrics. The number of people who want a not very portable portable, whilst also wanting a not very powerful home console, is probably pretty small, at least at the price that they're charging compared to their competitors.
To be honest, Switch looks to be more Lynx than Gameboy. It just doesn't look portable enough to be appealing as a handheld (that could be fixed with future hardware revisions).
or u can see it as a powerful handheld thats also a console
it doesn't have to justify being both excellently, it just has to be good enough to be sold as a fusion of both, i dont think anyone is expecting it to steal the powerful console market, just retain the handheld market while doubling down on its software while also being able to enjoy them as a home console
like i said though, all those things second fiddle to the games and nintendo is in their own category in this regard, they can truly shine again with unified development
Wii-U showed that Nintendo's software can't save a platform if the hardware is flawed, and Switch hardware is massively flawed as a handheld (as in it's just not very portable, let alone very expensive). Like I said, that can be fixed eventually, but not for the launch hardware.
wii u had problems on the software side too
the only flaw i see with switch is low battery power and iffy-price
nintendo's output has been handheld focused for awhile now, the wii u really drilled it in their head that they cant do both
if they chose to be third party to the vita tomoro, they would revive it, thats the power of nintendo first party
The Wii had more, and it didn't really do anything for the RPG ecosystem on Nintendo consoles.
jrpgs is a dying breed anyway, wrpgs is where its at
japanese publishers am cry
looks like switch battery is comparable to 3ds too, thats another point taken away
so now price is the obstacle and that can easily resolved with proper software support
im gonna predict persona 5 to be ported sometime by the end of the year
ffxv also depending on how serious se is with their switch support beyond octupus/dqxi
if kh3/ffxvi is switch bound, then ffxv will definitely get ported before then
now with the switch being in the mix, it'll make this even harder
vita audience is ripe for the picking, nintendo should do as much as they can to help this happen sooner, for the sake of everyone in the market
i think the little support from niche publishers in japan is a good sign of this
japanese publishers am cry
looks like switch battery is comparable to 3ds too, thats another point taken away
so now price is the obstacle and that can easily resolved with proper software support
im gonna predict persona 5 to be ported sometime by the end of the year
ffxv also depending on how serious se is with their switch support beyond octupus/dqxi
if kh3/ffxvi is switch bound, then ffxv will definitely get ported before then
i dont think ps4 will achieve this anytime soon, considering the portable factor is the main reason why people are still sticking to the vita
now with the switch being in the mix, it'll make this even harder
vita audience is ripe for the picking, nintendo should do as much as they can to help this happen sooner, for the sake of everyone in the market
i think the little support from niche publishers in japan is a good sign of this
ethomaz
Banned
That explain why Persona 5 become the best selling Atlus game ever and FFXV failed to have good sales... I mean looks how WRPG sells before says that.
Let's see how DQXI do... you know another JRPG.
2DS LTD - 314.823
PS4 Pro LTD - 138.768
price does matter
i was delusional after all damn
but jrpgs that arent aaa dont sell like they use to, which is the reason why we dont really get them anymore
its either niche or aaa nowadays
persona clearly benefited from the lack of aaa jrpgs and the decline of ff, its been awhile since we've had a single player mainline dq also, that hasn't helped either
i hear its pretty good in terms of quality and fan feedback, that would have helped also
tales also benefited similarly in the same way, lack of competition and a decent jrpg is all it takes
also if ffxv sold less than its predecessor despite being the bigger game than persona, doesn't that show jrpgs are in trouble? at best it only negates persona's gain
wrpgs are selling fine, i think u need to check their sales
PS4 Pro LTD - 138.768
price does matter
i was delusional after all damn
i was only being half serious
but jrpgs that arent aaa dont sell like they use to, which is the reason why we dont really get them anymore
its either niche or aaa nowadays
persona clearly benefited from the lack of aaa jrpgs and the decline of ff, its been awhile since we've had a single player mainline dq also, that hasn't helped either
i hear its pretty good in terms of quality and fan feedback, that would have helped also
tales also benefited similarly in the same way, lack of competition and a decent jrpg is all it takes
also if ffxv sold less than its predecessor despite being the bigger game than persona, doesn't that show jrpgs are in trouble? at best it only negates persona's gain
wrpgs are selling fine, i think u need to check their sales
Moor-Angol
Banned
probably nintendo didn't realize that when they priced Switch and (especially) its accessories
and it's hard to consider handheld a system with a battery which lasts 3 hours by playing Zelda
3DS isn't a handheld? That's about what I got playing Majora's Mask 3D awhile back.
In Japan 3 hours is probably more than enough. Playing is mostly done during commute, and during breaks and after work/school everyone is obliged to socialize by drinking or club activities. And when they get home either they only have time to sleep and bathe and maybe they can squeeze in some studying or more work.
I'd be really surprised if the average person over the age of 6 has a full 3 hours of free time.
The Wii had more, and it didn't really do anything for the RPG ecosystem on Nintendo consoles.
Wii had more than Switch so far?
if people are fine with 3ds' battery, i dont see y they'd make a fuss bout switch's
oh and my previous post was sarcasm, i was poking fun at that sony fan guy
its a handheld regardless of battery problems
wii never had anything as big as dqxi
dqx selling power just isn't the same
its already won
its equivalent to nintendo having zelda for launch and mario for the holidays, the sheer number of titles hardly matters when its already doing better in the quality of the launch titles it'll recieve
i also forgot about mario kart, that also took like a year or so to come to wii/wii u
People do make fuss of OG 3DS battery
But OG 3DS have half-functioning sleep mode and evem the top expected battery life isn't that good. That being said, I don't expect all Switch game to be as resource demanding as BotW, so I expect MH can run for 4 hours.
to the point where it affected sales tho? i doubt it
and yep i agree, how long the battery lasts will depend on the kinda games being played also
most nintendo games are pretty optimized and simple in presentation, that should help in making the battery last longer
Battery life on itself doesn't affect sales. But when price, and lack of software combined, battery life become some sort of cherry on the top. When those two are supportive to the system, people wouldn't mind the battery life really.
I'm not sure I see why people think DQXI is going to do well on Switch? Why wouldn't people buy the likely technically superior PS4 version which is on a cheaper console (may even be more significantly cheaper at that time and at a very mass market price), which millions of people already own?
Games like Splatoon are going to be what decide Switch's success, not DQ.
Games like Splatoon are going to be what decide Switch's success, not DQ.
As I said earlier, most people don't have more than a few hours a day, being able to play on the go is very important in Japan. DQ is a mass market game, everyone in Japan knows the series, many, many people play, even people that play very few games. It is a casual game. PS4 is a 'hardcore' console, that requires lots of time, a lot of space, and a lot of money (TVs are not anywhere as cheap in Japan as they are in the US).
My prediction is that it will of course sell most on 3DS, then probably Switch, and last PS4.
Mr. Pointy
Member
I think the fact that it comes with a USB-C cable out the box is going to help the Switch's portability a lot. You can get a USB charge port just about everywhere. Office workers can plug this into their computers.
I had to deliberately hunt for a 3rd party USB cable / charger for my 3DS.
I had to deliberately hunt for a 3rd party USB cable / charger for my 3DS.
3ds started off with arguably a weaker launch line up and price and still did fine in the end, when u consider the battery is comparable between switch and 3ds, it comes off as people grasping at straws to complain, rather than being legit concerns
yup, usb-c inclusion is a smart and welcomed move by nintendo
portability, japan loves it
i dont think anyone said dqxi will save switch, only that its good support for the launch period
3ds will sell the most coz of userbase but the people who want portability and better graphics will choose switch
Go_Ly_Dow
Member
2 of the announcements (SMT and S-E game) are were announced as working projects without titles. It's not a great start.
so they'll become abandonware or something?
how bout dqxi? wat did the wii u ever recieve thats comparable to that
The problem is Switch is not at a mass market price and doesn't look like it will be any time soon. It's priced as an enthusiast, 'hardcore' (to borrow your term) product. Also I really don't think you can include the price of a TV your PS4 vs Switch comparison.. TVs are just as cheap here as anywhere else if you want a smaller one and probably a higher percentage of people have TVs and watch regular TV than other countries I'd bet..
If portability is the be all and end all then it's difficult to explain Vita.
its not the ideal price but it isn't a ridiculous price like people are making it out to be
its one/two price drop away from being "mass market" price, we're not talking about $599 price range
it'll come down if nintendo feels its needed, if it sells fine then theres really no need for them to do so
japan throws away new tvs yearly like its the in thing, thats not an issue at all
By the end of it all, Wii had a bunch of exclusive JRPGs which didn't help attract fans of the genre to the system at all. Even with big names like Tales, Monolithsoft, Mistwalker, Final Fantasy, and Fire Emblem, JRPG fans preferred to stick to either handhelds or PS3.
Seeing games like Tales struggle on the 360 and Wii, only to explode in sales when ported a year later on PS3 shows how the consumer market in Japan felt about genres on these platforms.
oh i forgot to mention, the only price drop 3ds got was that first price drop
another point to show how nintendo jumped the gun, software support trumps all, not price point
by the time they had these rpgs, the rpg and third party ecosystem was firmly in the ps3's favour
360 recieved a mainline tales before wii, despite the crappy sales, so that goes to show where the priorities were
wii being so underperformed was probably the biggest blunder for nintendo when it came to the wii, despite it being a necessity to keep the console price low
if the wii was able to recieve ports adequately, the third party landscape would so much different now
another point to show how nintendo jumped the gun, software support trumps all, not price point
most of these wii rpgs were far and few in between iirc
by the time they had these rpgs, the rpg and third party ecosystem was firmly in the ps3's favour
360 recieved a mainline tales before wii, despite the crappy sales, so that goes to show where the priorities were
wii being so underperformed was probably the biggest blunder for nintendo when it came to the wii, despite it being a necessity to keep the console price low
if the wii was able to recieve ports adequately, the third party landscape would so much different now
It's 10 yen more than a PS4 slim, and cheaper then the Wii U (which comes with Splatoon pack in for 39,960 yen) on BicCamera.
The number of people that watch, and the amount they watch is decreasing steadily．Asahi is investing heavily in free streaming TV services for smartphones, etc. And even if you do have a TV, when it is on, it is probably just for the morning news and some variety tv in the evening.
You are right though, you can buy a 19in for about the cost of a 32in in the US, but if you are keen on graphics, that seems like an odd compromise to make.
So
Tekken 7 is another game people was 10000% sure was going to be announced for switch
All star mosou too
And how can we forget the main guest of this shining list? I mean, MHXX release date was obviously pointing to a Switch version
But I see that the denial phase still flows strong on GAF
Tekken 7 is another game people was 10000% sure was going to be announced for switch
All star mosou too
And how can we forget the main guest of this shining list? I mean, MHXX release date was obviously pointing to a Switch version
But I see that the denial phase still flows strong on GAF
Is that really the best example?
Tekken had more to do with comments Harada made causing people to speculate. What denial are you referring to?