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Zelda: BOTW Timeline Discussion *UNMARKED SPOILERS*
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It makes absolutely no sense for it to be the Hero of Time. The Sheikah are pretty much gone forever apart from Impa as of Ocarina, the fact that there's a crapload of Sheikah tech everywhere makes it a tough pill to swallow as well.
It's just weird that there are elements of all the different timelines in one game. Koroks, mentions of a great sea, Twilight Princess Castle Town, Zora *and* Rito at the same time. The Zora were specifically made into Rito so they couldn't mess around in sunken Hyrule, it makes no sense for both to exist at the same time unless timelines have converged
Koroks changed to adapt, but I can believe that Koroks can appear regardless, but the Zora were, as I understand it, directly transformed into the Rito, so them existing at the same time is just weird.
It's just weird that there are elements of all the different timelines in one game. Koroks, mentions of a great sea, Twilight Princess Castle Town, Zora *and* Rito at the same time. The Zora were specifically made into Rito so they couldn't mess around in sunken Hyrule, it makes no sense for both to exist at the same time unless timelines have converged
Koroks changed to adapt, but I can believe that Koroks can appear regardless, but the Zora were, as I understand it, directly transformed into the Rito, so them existing at the same time is just weird.
My guess is that the bird people in this game are actually related in someway to loftwings.
And didn't the Koroks took a human form so that Link could grow up sort of normally in OoT. Since Ganon destroyed Hyrule i can see why they would stop looking like Humans with all those monsters around.
OfficerRaichu15
Member
What if these are the 4 beasts from Majoras Mask but in their Hyrule forms?
Everyone had a Termina alternate minus Zelda so maybe these beasts could be Hyrule forms of the 4 dungeon bosses in Majoras Mask????
I was actually thinking that Skyward along with Breath of the Wild was a reboot of sorts so the dev team could just take everything they liked about the different timelines without having to worry about timeline shenanigans
Nintendo has more aggressively prioritized the timeline over the last 5-10 years. This theory doesn't fit with their approach.
Aonuma confirmed the theory. There are all sorts of little hints in Wind Waker about it.
Medli wears a piece of clothing with Zora's sapphire on it, the Rito have wings exactly where the Zora had fins, etc.
ArchedThunder
Banned
I'm pretty sure these are the giant mechanical things we've seen.
As far as I can remember we've seen a giant mechanical bird, some mechanical thing climbing death mountain and then hoof looking feet of another mechanical giant.
The game spells it out when you find out Medli is a descendant of a Zora sage.
It pretty much tells you when you learn she is a descendant of Princess Ruto.
Do you have a link to Aonuma confirming it? Either way Medli having the sapphire is most likely a connection of her being the previous sage successor.
OfficerRaichu15
Member
So what are these bird people the. That coincide with the Zora in the game? Would that have any connection to the child timeline or fallen timeline?
Yeah the timeline might look dumb to some but it will actually make sense now when new games fill the empty/new slots.
My guess is the fallen hero timeline and this Link is the Hero of Time. But it could be a new Link all together we will not know untill around release.
posting this, because its hard to remember where all the games fit in each time line
Good idea. I'll add this to the OP.
ArchedThunder
Banned
Pretty sure the bird people are just a totally new race.
OfficerRaichu15
Member
Interesting,
yeah it's fallen hero with Hero of Time.
Get hyped y'all out boys back
ArchedThunder
Banned
The sage outright says that Medli carries her blood.
But the Aonuma quote comes from a Japanese only thing called the Zelda Box.
「時のオカリナ」に登場したゾーラ族の進化した形がリト族で、コキリ族が森から離れてコログ族になった、という設定です。見た目はまるで違いますが、血は継承されています。
Which translates to:
We created the Rito as the evolved form of the Zora that appeared in "Ocarina of Time" and the Koroks as what the Kokiri became once they left the forest. They appear different, but they have inherited their blood.
OfficerRaichu15
Member
Well that proves the Koroks not meaning Wind Waker timeline as they just have to leave the forest
Fourth Storm
Member
Yeah, that bird person in the trailer did not look the way Rito were depicted in WW. A Rito would appear more human with the beak being the defining bird feature. This guy is nearly all bird. Looks very much like how I imagine an evolved loftwing would look in the Zelda universe.
Anywho, I am still betting that this is a fleshing out of the Impisoning War. The state of the Temple of Time makes it so that very few other timeline placements fit.
I think this Link is the same from Ocarina of Time, but grown up.
I read before that this could happen between OoT and A Link To The Past. The Temple of Time, and Castle Town are in ruins here, and they don't exist in ALTTP.
The trailer mentions that something happened 100 years ago. Could it happen that Link has to travel to the past to fix what Ganon did? In other words:
- Past, 100 years ago. Hyrule is populated, Ganon attacks. There is a war against Ganon. Hyruleans use the Guardians to defend from Ganon, but he manipulates them and they attack the citicens. The hero is asleep, ready to fight Ganon if he attacks again, but never wakes up.
- Present. Link wakes up. Hyrule is devastated, everything is in ruins. There are very few survivors, like the old man, a kokoro, and just some more. Guardians are everywhere around Hyrule, and they attack every sign of life. Ganon is the king.
Link must travel between the present and the past, and finally fight Ganon in the past. There could happen a fourth timeline after the final battle:
- Link defeats Ganon: A Link To The Past timeline. Ganon is thrown to the Golden Land.
- Link is defeated: Ganon finally is the king of Hyrule. The cavern where Link is sleeping is destroyed, killing sleeping Link. New timeline.
Unfortunately I don't know how to explain this happening, between Link being defeated in OoT to happen the ALTTP timeline. This is a mess. This probaly fits better before Twilight Princess instead of ALTTP.
I read before that this could happen between OoT and A Link To The Past. The Temple of Time, and Castle Town are in ruins here, and they don't exist in ALTTP.
The trailer mentions that something happened 100 years ago. Could it happen that Link has to travel to the past to fix what Ganon did? In other words:
- Past, 100 years ago. Hyrule is populated, Ganon attacks. There is a war against Ganon. Hyruleans use the Guardians to defend from Ganon, but he manipulates them and they attack the citicens. The hero is asleep, ready to fight Ganon if he attacks again, but never wakes up.
- Present. Link wakes up. Hyrule is devastated, everything is in ruins. There are very few survivors, like the old man, a kokoro, and just some more. Guardians are everywhere around Hyrule, and they attack every sign of life. Ganon is the king.
Link must travel between the present and the past, and finally fight Ganon in the past. There could happen a fourth timeline after the final battle:
- Link defeats Ganon: A Link To The Past timeline. Ganon is thrown to the Golden Land.
- Link is defeated: Ganon finally is the king of Hyrule. The cavern where Link is sleeping is destroyed, killing sleeping Link. New timeline.
Unfortunately I don't know how to explain this happening, between Link being defeated in OoT to happen the ALTTP timeline. This is a mess. This probaly fits better before Twilight Princess instead of ALTTP.
Still not convinced of it being between OoT and ALttP. Post LoZ/AoL feels like the better period.
A lot doesn't match up with a Fallen Hero premise directly following OoT. We saw flash backs showing the TP style Castle and Castle town being attacked by Guardians and Link and Zelda fleeing from them, most likely to the Great Deku Tree. None of that existed at the end of OoT. The Great Deku tree was just a tiny sprout, not a huge tree again.
If this does follow OoT it's not about that Link and Zelda, but new ones many many years later.
If that's the case, it's pretty wonky. So OoT Link loses. Zelda and Sages seal Ganon in the Sacred Realm and life goes on. They rebuild a new castle and town to the north. Kingdom Prospers for a long time, then out of nowhere Ganon reemerges and this new Link loses too, but this time is saved by Sheikah tech to awaken 100 years later to defeat Ganon, who was sealed within the new Hyrule Castle after his defeat, but then got written out of history completely and all the glory was given to the Hyrulian Knights and Sages.
A lot doesn't match up with a Fallen Hero premise directly following OoT. We saw flash backs showing the TP style Castle and Castle town being attacked by Guardians and Link and Zelda fleeing from them, most likely to the Great Deku Tree. None of that existed at the end of OoT. The Great Deku tree was just a tiny sprout, not a huge tree again.
If this does follow OoT it's not about that Link and Zelda, but new ones many many years later.
If that's the case, it's pretty wonky. So OoT Link loses. Zelda and Sages seal Ganon in the Sacred Realm and life goes on. They rebuild a new castle and town to the north. Kingdom Prospers for a long time, then out of nowhere Ganon reemerges and this new Link loses too, but this time is saved by Sheikah tech to awaken 100 years later to defeat Ganon, who was sealed within the new Hyrule Castle after his defeat, but then got written out of history completely and all the glory was given to the Hyrulian Knights and Sages.
The 100 years takes place in the game, it's not about Ocarina of Time.
ArchedThunder
Banned
We don't know that yet.
The BotW Hyrule Castle didn't move. It's where it should be. What they did was move the old Hyrule Castle and Town and Temple of Time south using Skyloft.
That makes no sense. It's not a matter of placement, but existence. If this is supposed to be a direct sequel of OoT it just doesn't work without seriously retconning that game. If it is the Imprisoning War but taking place with a new Link and Zelda years after OoT it requires serious retconning to the now official timeline, which is quite possible, but messy.
The Fallen Hero climax is the one Ocarina event we don't actually see in Ocarina.
We believe there are flashbacks to what happened with Link and Ganon 100 years prior to Breath of the Wild, but we have no real indication that sequences of the game are actually from the time 100 years earlier.
It could very well be the Fallen Hero ending from Ocarina, with the hero being resurrected 100 years later.
Fourth Storm
Member
Using Skyloft? Could you elaborate? I am interested in what other people think about this.
In my eyes, the Great Plateau is the Isle of the Goddess or even Skyloft as a whole fallen to earth. At the same time, I feel like we aren't supposed to be making a big deal about "Old Castle Town vs New Castle Town." In the latest trailer, they show death and destruction raining down on Hyrule Castle Town with Hyrule Castle (the current one) looming over it. This tells me that the ruins of Hyrule Castle Town are right where they should be: right beside the castle.
grandjedi6
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Which would create even more split timelines MWAHAHAHA
Well, the Fallen Hero event exists specifically due to Link losing to Ganon in Ocarina of Time.
So 100 years for Calamity Ganon to be tied to the royal family's history seems incredibly unlikely, since Calamity Ganon didn't exist before this.
Definitely of the belief that we experience the 100 years in the game itself.
Bucket Mouse
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posting this, because its hard to remember where all the games fit in each time line
All the best Zelda games are in the Fallen Timeline.
It could be a loop in itself.
Treehouse apparently said the game cold opens with you waking up.
I do think we'll experience the 100 years ago though, but we don't start there.
Admiral Woofington
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I doubt it's the hero of time. It seems too fan servicey. I'd say it's another Link that fails and comes back 100 years later to win. Unless they say that the Fallen hero is the only one that has lost somewhere in the lore. Nothing says a link can't lose and come back 100 years later to win.
I think my biggest concern with the game is if Link in 100 years doesn't have a Zelda alongside him and every footage we've seen of Zelda is in the past. If we can assume that all of his companions in the future timeline are the gerudo, bird person, and Zora then we didn't see a shot of Zelda with them. We only saw her with link. I used to think the blue dress/white dress signified an old and new Zelda.
I think my biggest concern with the game is if Link in 100 years doesn't have a Zelda alongside him and every footage we've seen of Zelda is in the past. If we can assume that all of his companions in the future timeline are the gerudo, bird person, and Zora then we didn't see a shot of Zelda with them. We only saw her with link. I used to think the blue dress/white dress signified an old and new Zelda.
No I meant it starts with the Open your Eyes, and ends with the Open your Eyes.
The cold opening telling you to open your eyes feels too much like foreshadowing of the ending.
Maybe this was also the plot of the Abre los Ojos, I can't remember.
Graphics Horse
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I hope that this is set in the Foolish Cucco Abuser timeline branch where the last hero died from Cucco pecks.
Would explain the evolution of the bird race
Would explain the evolution of the bird race
The problem with the Zelda timeline is that they added the multiverse when they did that link is defeated downfall timeline. At that point they could add whatever anywhere since the time stream no longer is straight. At least with OOT, we had a time breaking event to alter the stream instead of random chance.
I assume it is the Imprisoning War. Something weird happened after you lose in OoT which morphed Ganon into Calamity Ganon
then this game is about throwing Ganon to the dark realm
there he can reform as a less giant pig and just control Agahnim to open the door to the light realm again
I feel that this being the hero of time again is a mistake tho
Of course this could also be the prequel to Wind Waker and you end the game with the king flooding Hyrule cause there's no stopping Calamity Ganon. His daughter lives on so Tetra can be born too. Of course we also said this about TP
the presence of so much sheikah stuff kind of derails it being after OoT but it also cannot be before OoT since there's a Ganon
it is very possible that Nintendo doesn't look that hard at the timeline, if at all, and that it will be made to fit post facto
then this game is about throwing Ganon to the dark realm
there he can reform as a less giant pig and just control Agahnim to open the door to the light realm again
I feel that this being the hero of time again is a mistake tho
Of course this could also be the prequel to Wind Waker and you end the game with the king flooding Hyrule cause there's no stopping Calamity Ganon. His daughter lives on so Tetra can be born too. Of course we also said this about TP
the presence of so much sheikah stuff kind of derails it being after OoT but it also cannot be before OoT since there's a Ganon
it is very possible that Nintendo doesn't look that hard at the timeline, if at all, and that it will be made to fit post facto
And before the split.😁
I think it is going to be the failed hero timeline. That idea has always been weird to me so it would be good to actual explain why they consider that a viable thing.
Or it is just going to do its own thing and won't have an obvious connection to the other game and the timeline will have to be completely changed again to accommodate. That seems to happen a lot lol
Or it is just going to do its own thing and won't have an obvious connection to the other game and the timeline will have to be completely changed again to accommodate. That seems to happen a lot lol
Well we do see Link with what appears to be a non rusted version of the master sword sheathed when he's with Zelda in blue. Then there is a screen grab of Link pulling the rusty master sword out with Zelda in white behind him. If Blue is the past and white is the future (present) then we can assume Zelda will be with us at some point providing the context is correct.
Well they are basically identical to the bird people seen in the Twilight Princess HD murals of Castle Town, save for having more birdlike heads:
They are also quite similar to the Fokka from Zelda II save for having much more wing like arms and hands:
Hard to say for sure if they are either or something brand new, but they certainly are similar to both of these and are most definitely very different from the Rito from WW.