marimorimo
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Damn even more reason to stick with my Wii U that I have a shit ton of accessories for.
Even a friggin mic!!!
Even a friggin mic!!!
I haven't seen one available for Pre-order yet which makes me nervous. I want to play Zelda using one but doubt I'll be able to now if they are going to be rare at launch.
I thought the dock had extra hardware in it but it appears all the hardware is in the tablet.
When you undock the tablet just downclocks huh...
So really the dock is just a device to help hold the console and provide ports to the tv...For $90 LOL
I thought the dock had extra hardware in it but it appears all the hardware is in the tablet.
When you undock the tablet just downclocks huh...
So really the dock is just a device to help hold the console and provide ports to the tv...For $90 LOL
Based on what we know, I suspect the dock may at least contain an HDMI controller plus a lightweight CPU to facilitate moving the data around. At the very least, it seems to be doing some stuff that seems beyond the capability of plastic and some wires.
The docking station for a Surface Pro is over $100 and it does the exact same thing. The pricing is pretty standard for what it is.
Oh dang, I had no idea they used sensor bars in arcades now!! So if Gyro is an acceptable method of doing FPS games, the IR Camera goes back to being.. dumb and worthless. Pht.Arcade light guns have been using sensor bars for years (or more accurately, two bars, one on top and bottom, with more lights), unless they've changed recently.
You could probably kinda simulate gun stuff with gyros and calibration with some fuzzy logic from assumptions, although realistically I'd just expect gyro pointing with a cursor. Hell the light gun stuff in arcades has been using a cursor since moving to sensor bars afaik.
I'll probably just go the extra joycon set route and rotate once one runs out or just at the beginning or end of a session. I'm thinking the main annoyance might just be keeping track of and swapping the pair of comfort rail thingys every time.
lol. NO.
The surface Pro 3 dock has an actual ethernet port,2x usb 2.0 ports, 2x 3.0 USB ports all can be used for storage, along with an audio jack, and a mini display port.
It does way more and that's why it's more expensive.
But even the first generation docks had an ethernet port, display, and usb for external storage use. For a little over a $100, you can't even use the switches usb for storage.
Whether or not you can use the dock's USB ports for storage has no effect on the cost of the dock. It's not a hardware issue preventing that use.lol. NO.
The surface Pro 3 dock has an actual ethernet port,2x usb 2.0 ports, 2x 3.0 USB ports all can be used for storage, along with an audio jack, and a mini display port.
It does way more and that's why it's more expensive.
But even the first generation docks had an ethernet port, display, and usb for external storage use. For a little over a $100, you can't even use the switches usb for storage.
The minimum DIY solution right now is gonna be around $60, $30 for the USB-C adapter (with power, USB, and HDMI), and $30 for the power supply...you could skimp on the latter but USB-C power is a bit of a mess right now and I wouldn't cheap out on it. Well and HDMI cable but you probably have one laying around, or it's another few bucks at most.
Well it depends on what's "acceptable". There's probably gonna be some drift without a fixed point of reference like a sensor bar so true line of sight aiming could be tricky to make consistent, but if gyro aiming with a cursor (no line of sight aiming) is considered good enough for whatever uses then it's not that big of a deal. Light gun games were hard to do line of sight aiming with on Wii to begin with cause the single sensor bar (easy to lose tracking when pointing to the opposite side of the TV) so I think it'd be ok.Oh dang, I had no idea they used sensor bars in arcades now!! So if Gyro is an acceptable method of doing FPS games, the IR Camera goes back to being.. dumb and worthless. Pht.
You guys should look up how much USB-C docks that do video out and charge the connected device cost.
$90 is really not ridiculous.
Well it depends on what's "acceptable". There's probably gonna be some drift without a fixed point of reference like a sensor bar so true line of sight aiming could be tricky to make consistent, but if gyro aiming with a cursor (no line of sight aiming) is considered good enough for whatever uses then it's not that big of a deal. Light gun games were hard to do line of sight aiming with on Wii to begin with cause the single sensor bar (easy to lose tracking when pointing to the opposite side of the TV) so I think it'd be ok.
But yeah the IR camera...I have no clue what to think of it. Even just from a technical perspective I'm curious what it sees cause if it can sense depth and shapes I'm wondering if it does some level of basic 3D mapping (a la Kinect and stuff) and what range it can actually see/sense stuff.
Could be a lot simpler than that. Something like power alone it could assume it's just hooked up to a battery pack and stay handheld mode. If it's power and video output connected, docked mode.Given that the prices are "normal" for these kinds of docks, I think it's just sticker shock from people who have never seen them before and had no idea how much the cost. To the uninformed, the Dock looks like a plastic shell with a couple ports for $90 which is fucking crazy, but once you see what's in it and compare it to similar devices, and keep in mind there's some kind of chip in there to tell the Switch to go from Handheld Mode to upclocked Docked Mode, it makes sense. It's still a hard price to swallow though.
Yeah pretty much. It's more flexible since you can wave it around wherever, but you lose the hard fixed calibration point you get with a sensor bar.Oh wow, very interesting. So as long as there's a cursor/crosshair on screen gyro should be fine then? Might not be as good as, or piss off people who prefer, line of sight shooting but I guess if it works, it works?
I thought I heard something like that range too. It's just really a bizarre addition. Like even if it could do a bunch...it's still confusing cause placement if nothing else. I'm still interested just cause they probably have some game in the works that I'd never possibly imagine.And I don't remember where I read it but somewhere in all the commotion I saw the IR Camera's range is 2 feet. I'll try to figure it out, might have even been in the conference itself?
If it can "map" stuff I wonder if someone would ever make a game where you could construct a level on your table for a 2D platformer or something, scan it, and play it?
You guys should look up how much USB-C docks that do video out and charge the connected device cost.
$90 is really not ridiculous.
It's a features for value paid issue however, so the point remains validWhether or not you can use the dock's USB ports for storage has no effect on the cost of the dock. It's not a hardware issue preventing that use.
Whether or not you can use the dock's USB ports for storage has no effect on the cost of the dock. It's not a hardware issue preventing that use.
You guys should look up how much USB-C docks that do video out and charge the connected device cost.
$90 is really not ridiculous.
You guys should look up how much USB-C docks that do video out and charge the connected device cost.
$90 is really not ridiculous.
Oh it's not about foresight, it's a deliberate decision on their part.Oh shit? Really , so it;'s more them writing the OS to use USB storage?
That jesus is such a dumb oversight.
A upconverter can be had for 50$ for HD, and the fact as Matt pointed out that NIntendo did not have the foresight to make external storage available for these usb is literally ludicrous. And like people have mentioned Storage on a SD card is not a sure thing for long term storage.
A external would be preferred especially since there's a giant space under the switch dock to possibly fit one in there and leave it there.
For those complaining about the lack of USB HDD support.
How would you have it work so that it supports the system's core gimmick of being able to remove the dock?
Would you have the system copy the relevant game over to system storage at boot?
Yea I don't want to use joycons.
Lol
PadWarrior
You don't say lol.
Only going to be buying the Joy-Cons because four theoretical controllers for $80 isn't bad, and the neon colours look amazing...when matched.
Does the double joycon pack come with a grip or do you need to buy that separately?
It does not include a grip.
Oh shit? Really , so it;'s more them writing the OS to use USB storage?
That jesus is such a dumb oversight.
A upconverter can be had for 50$ for HD, and the fact as Matt pointed out that NIntendo did not have the foresight to make external storage available for these usb is literally ludicrous. And like people have mentioned Storage on a SD card is not a sure thing for long term storage.
A external would be preferred especially since there's a giant space under the switch dock to possibly fit one in there and leave it there.
For those complaining about the lack of USB HDD support.
How would you have it work so that it supports the system's core gimmick of being able to remove the dock?
Would you have the system copy the relevant game over to system storage at boot?
Implementation aside, do we don't know if Switch even has the capability to read data via its connection to the dock?
Implementation aside, we don't even know if Switch even has the capability to read data via its connection to the dock.
ah god. I'm trying to think if I want to get an extra set of joycons or a pro controller. I would mostly be playing local MP with my niece and nephew and they prefer playing with normal controllers than separated ones like the wii
I don't think it is an oversight. More like they probably haven't figured out how to deal with the fact that if you play games off of an external HDD in docked mode, the game will obviously not work when you lift it out of the dock. It's pretty contradictory to the marketing of the Switch which is that you can easily pick up and go whenever you want. This is why everyone complaining about lack of storage has struck me as odd. There really isn't much else you can do with a hybrid solution.
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They could/should just make HDD to dock just a storage solution. Put in a data management app and let people move games back and forth between the hard drive and internal storage/internal SD card.
Still an annoyance for the console-mode only folk who'd like to go digital and play off the HDD since they don't care about switching modes. But still preferable to having to re download things or juggle multiple SD cards once your library size gets larger IMO.
Yeah I mentioned that in my follow up paragraph. I know there is a solution, but I don't think Nintendo wants to risk confusing the message. Maybe its too conservative, but looking at the 2017 schedule, I think most digital users are going to get by fine on an additional 64GB or 128GB card which is $20-$45 generally. I feel like Nintendo will have a solution for data management when the games library starts to get larger, but that's just my opinion obviously.
Implementation aside, do we don't know if Switch even has the capability to read data via its connection to the dock?
I think there was a thread about the dock being able to support external HDDs, but there isn't a software solution for it yet..I'd have to dig through the dozens of Switch threads, though.
Anyway, isn't connecting an external Ethernet to the dock a form of the Switch reading data from the dock's connection?
I don't have a link to it off-hand, but someone definitely confirmed that the dock "can" support external hard drives. The issue seems to be Nintendo not providing a software solution for this method yet.
I don't understand the pricing of these things still.
If two joy-cons are $80, and the dock is $90, and let's say the included HDMI cable and AC adapters are worth $10, then that means the console itself is only worth $119, which is absolutely fucking ridiculous and impossible.
I understand that devices are cheaper when sold together, but not THAT cheaper. There's something seriously wrong here where Nintendo can sell this whole package for $299, but as soon as the items become separated, their price increases tenfold.
We dont need to go too far down the rabbit hole to get to basic data support. It would be highly unlikely to put USB on the dock and not have it support the USB data lines. The ethernet adapter support really closes the door on any technical concerns.
The issues would be maters of practicality. External HDD based games would crash when Switch was removed from the dock.
So the Switch would have to copy the game over to internal memory at boot, which would be like installing the game ever time you boot it.
I love cheap external hard drives, but heck with my Wii U I used a USB stick for one port and size simplicity. You could have multiple microSD cards for a reasonable price. Not the best price per GB, but the physical size can't be beat.
If you have a second TV somewhere and really want to not move the dock along, then I'll get your point. But how many of us really run into that problem? Especially since the Switch can be used everywhere?
I haven't seen one available for Pre-order yet which makes me nervous. I want to play Zelda using one but doubt I'll be able to now if they are going to be rare at launch.