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The Official AMIGA "Rosetinted" Thread

Lemnisc8

Member
So many games I've forgotten over the years brought up in this thread, I can't believe some that I missed off my list.

It even jogged my memory of "alien fish finger", "the Tower of Babel", "powerdrome" which I loved, "mean machine", I could go on forever and it doesn't matter how awesome or even quirky games I mention, there are just so many more (super skid marks, gravity force (anyone remember the sample say 'bingo' when you died?). Also the sample at the title screen for a game i have remembered that has Harry Enfield shouting "shut your mouth and look at my wad" (from "blood money, I think?).

Oh and bloodwych which was awesome. Mr flay with the dagger Guinsoo for life.

I have no idea how all this stuff keeps coming back and yet I can't remember what I did last week.

I went and got my kickstart 1.3 and 3.1 roms (a500 and 1200, which are the ones I own), and sat down for 23 hours straight playing k240.

I'm going to go get all my ADFs.
 

Fredrik

Member
I Love my old Amiga but how do I rip all my floppys to the PC? I have the Kryoflux ripper and it usually work but not in any way as often as needed. Is there any new device out that works better?
 

Khaz

Member
I finally got able to experience Amiga emulation in almost its original resolution on a VGA CRT. With fs-uae in fullscreen at 720x576, I can display the original 640x256 with borders and line-doubled, but at least without uneven pixel size. The display is minimum 60Hz though, so I get some screen tearing and jittery scrolling sadly. Still, Amiga in almost full screen on a CRT in its original resolution and aspect ratio! It makes me want one even more, now that I can see what it's all about. I played a bit of Cannon Fodder but I spent most of my time on the desktop trying to understand how it works.
 

Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
The Amiga games library doesn't get the credit it deserves due to the obsessive level of NES-nostalgia that is so prevalent in the American gaming media.

So true. The weird part is seeing how often European based websites these days project an image of the past that never was.

The American and European experiences were very different for a long, long, time; Playstation was where things more-or-less-converged, but up to that point... very different scenes and general cultures.
 

Acosta

Member
It´s too bad that the first page of this great thread looks so sad now without all the original pics...

Always get a smile from getting this thread bumped.
 

pachura

Member
There's a cute, ARM-based Amiga 500 emulating machine called ARMIGA available for 119 EUR:

MicroSD/USB input, HDMI 720p output. The more expensive version (189 EUR) even reads original Amiga floppies!

If only it emulated Amiga 1200 with its AGA chipset, I would have bought it in a heartbeat...

It turns out that this December ARMIGA received an update and properly supports A1200 with 2MB of RAM now.
 
I Love my old Amiga but how do I rip all my floppys to the PC? I have the Kryoflux ripper and it usually work but not in any way as often as needed. Is there any new device out that works better?

Do you still have your Amiga working? If yes, get an external Gotek floppy drive emulator and rip your floppy disks to adf images, then access them on PC using ADF Opus or similar.
 

Jenks

Banned
To many great games, my other non gaming memmorys on 500 was Deluxe paint for drawing and making animations, also i loved music trackers i had a action replay card expansion i used to rip samples out of games to use in the music tracker think it was Amigos.
Did any one else have a slightly bad connection with there RF modulator and had to wiggle it around sometimes to get a picture on the telly?
 

Fredrik

Member
Cool! It's an emulator, right? What kind of hardware is it?

But the thing is, I already have a working Amiga 1200 with CF disc, extra memory, turbo card, dvi port etc. It's quite awesome. I just don't have a fault proof way to get my old A500 floppys on the CF card. I know many games are old enough and probably okay to download these days without getting nightmares, but I want my own floppys, scores, saves etc. I want my childhood memories intact before time break them. :/
 

pr0cs

Member
Before I sold my 2000hd on eBay I ripped all my disks to adf and used a null modem to dump my hdds to my pc.
It's been probably 8-10 years since I ran an emulator on my archived files.. I suspect the emulation should be really accurate now. It was close eons ago with some audio skipping etc but my computer now is significantly faster not to mention emulator improvements.

At the time winuae was the easiest emu to use, is that still the case?
 

dl77

Member
Don't know if this has already been covered but I'd be interested to know what happened to all the programmers that were around in that era. I'm thinking of the likes of:

Archer Maclean
Andrew Braybrook
Nik Pelling (how he got Wing Commander to work on the Amiga in any shape or form I'll never know!)
Mike Singleton
Geoff Crammond
Chris Sorrell

A lot of them seem to have just dropped off the map. Shame really as with a number of them their name on the box pretty much meant it was an essential purchase.
 

keraj37

Member
Don't know if this has already been covered but I'd be interested to know what happened to all the programmers that were around in that era. I'm thinking of the likes of:

Archer Maclean
Andrew Braybrook
Nik Pelling (how he got Wing Commander to work on the Amiga in any shape or form I'll never know!)
Mike Singleton
Geoff Crammond
Chris Sorrell

A lot of them seem to have just dropped off the map. Shame really as with a number of them their name on the box pretty much meant it was an essential purchase.

True. But the best of the best programmer of this era, maker of original The Settlers, Volker Wertich is still in industry, working in EA. I have him in my contacts on LI. You can check on him here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/volker-wertich-943b3974/

I finally got able to experience Amiga emulation in almost its original resolution on a VGA CRT. With fs-uae in fullscreen at 720x576, I can display the original 640x256 with borders and line-doubled, but at least without uneven pixel size. The display is minimum 60Hz though, so I get some screen tearing and jittery scrolling sadly. Still, Amiga in almost full screen on a CRT in its original resolution and aspect ratio! It makes me want one even more, now that I can see what it's all about. I played a bit of Cannon Fodder but I spent most of my time on the desktop trying to understand how it works.

Can you say how did you do it? What kind of CRT you have?
 

Khaz

Member
Can you say how did you do it? What kind of CRT you have?

It's a 21" Trinitron, but I don't think that matters much. The problem I had was with the previous computer, a modern nettop with Nvidia Optimus and Windows 10. One, or both, decided that the native resolution was 1600x1200 and would not budge from it, resulting in a stamp-sized picture in the middle of the screen when trying to display ie 640x480 fullscreen. With a proper graphics card and a good OS, these problems disappear. It's an old PC I'm building for XP retro-gaming, with an Athlon64 and a 7600GT.
 

Curufinwe

Member
So true. The weird part is seeing how often European based websites these days project an image of the past that never was.

The American and European experiences were very different for a long, long, time; Playstation was where things more-or-less-converged, but up to that point... very different scenes and general cultures.

I love Giant Bomb and give them money, but having series of them playing thru Contra and the NES Mega Mans at the same time is a bit much. I can only hope their new hires broaden the site's focus somewhat. They do have a pretty large audience outside the US they could do with some catering to.
 

Fredrik

Member
I love Giant Bomb and give them money, but having series of them playing thru Contra and the NES Mega Mans at the same time is a bit much. I can only hope their new hires broaden the site's focus somewhat. They do have a pretty large audience outside the US they could do with some catering to.
Yup, generally speaking about retro, Commodore is forgotten way too often, I think more people owned a C64 than NES in Sweden during my childhood.

GB should be playing through the Turrican games, worth it for the music alone, see them tackle Rick Dangerous should make a fun play-through too, It came from the Desert for the chills, Monkey Island is a given too, co-op Battle Squadron and Silkworm for the shmup fans, maybe some Super Cars battles, etc. Fun fun fun :)
 

keraj37

Member
It's a 21" Trinitron, but I don't think that matters much. The problem I had was with the previous computer, a modern nettop with Nvidia Optimus and Windows 10. One, or both, decided that the native resolution was 1600x1200 and would not budge from it, resulting in a stamp-sized picture in the middle of the screen when trying to display ie 640x480 fullscreen. With a proper graphics card and a good OS, these problems disappear. It's an old PC I'm building for XP retro-gaming, with an Athlon64 and a 7600GT.

I see. I have only Windows 10 in my machine so when I will decide to go for something like you, your description might help.

But for me true retro gaming should be on 14" :). 21" would be too big for me.
 
Cool! It's an emulator, right? What kind of hardware is it?

But the thing is, I already have a working Amiga 1200 with CF disc, extra memory, turbo card, dvi port etc. It's quite awesome. I just don't have a fault proof way to get my old A500 floppys on the CF card. I know many games are old enough and probably okay to download these days without getting nightmares, but I want my own floppys, scores, saves etc. I want my childhood memories intact before time break them. :/

You have everything you need to do it really, I don't see the issue.

Step 1: Get EasyADF onto your CF
- Get a working WinUAE configuration
- Remove A1200 CF hard drive and attach to PC with a CF Card Reader
- Add CF hard disk to config as a AUE-IDE hard drive
- Add folder containing EasyADF to config as a folder hard drive
- Launch WinUAE
- copy EasyADF onto your CF

Step 2: Rip your floppies
- Remove A1200 hard drive from PC and attach to A1200
- Basically follow this tutorial

Step 3 transfer ADF to PC
- Remove A1200 CF hard drive and attach to PC with a CF Card Reader
- Add CF hard disk to config as a AUE-IDE hard drive
- Add ADF folder to config as a folder hard drive
- Launch WinUAE
- Copy from CF hard drive to folder hard drive

Enjoy
 

Fredrik

Member
I see. I have only Windows 10 in my machine so when I will decide to go for something like you, your description might help.

But for me true retro gaming should be on 14" :). 21" would be too big for me.
You mean something like this? ;)
YvIzOIJ.jpg

(Sorry about the mess)

This was my old 12" or so Philips 8833, it gave up though so today I use a BenQ and scandoubler with dvi out. It's not the same thing but it can do 50hz and the picture is really nice.
PVPvTyA.jpg

pbC6cHN.jpg
 

Thanati

Member
Easily my favorite system of all time. I learned how to do so much on that machine; I was a big user of Lightwave from version 1!

But some of the best games i've played, so much fun. Sigh.
 

Fredrik

Member
You have everything you need to do it really, I don't see the issue.

Step 1: Get EasyADF onto your CF
- Get a working WinUAE configuration
- Remove A1200 CF hard drive and attach to PC with a CF Card Reader
- Add CF hard disk to config as a AUE-IDE hard drive
- Add folder containing EasyADF to config as a folder hard drive
- Launch WinUAE
- copy EasyADF onto your CF

Step 2: Rip your floppies
- Remove A1200 hard drive from PC and attach to A1200
- Basically follow this tutorial

Step 3 transfer ADF to PC
- Remove A1200 CF hard drive and attach to PC with a CF Card Reader
- Add CF hard disk to config as a AUE-IDE hard drive
- Add ADF folder to config as a folder hard drive
- Launch WinUAE
- Copy from CF hard drive to folder hard drive

Enjoy
Thank you! That's a great guide and video! Didn't seem too difficult.
 

keraj37

Member
You mean something like this? ;)
YvIzOIJ.jpg

(Sorry about the mess)

This was my old 12" or so Philips 8833, it gave up though so today I use a BenQ and scandoubler with dvi out. It's not the same thing but it can do 50hz and the picture is really nice.
PVPvTyA.jpg

pbC6cHN.jpg

Very nice setup and this A1200... My dream in 90s while I had A500 with 1Mb RAM (+0.5Mb fast RAM if I remember well). When I saw an image with 200k+ colors on A1200 I couldn't believe it can be done.

Do you, or anyone knows maybe what old school joy would work on Windows 10 and FS-UAE? I am tired playing platformers on keyboard.
 

Fredrik

Member
Very nice setup and this A1200... My dream in 90s while I had A500 with 1Mb RAM (+0.5Mb fast RAM if I remember well). When I saw an image with 200k+ colors on A1200 I couldn't believe it can be done.

Do you, or anyone knows maybe what old school joy would work on Windows 10 and FS-UAE? I am tired playing platformers on keyboard.
Thanks, the A1200 with Compact Flash disc is crazy cool for a nostalgic like myself, running emulators on PC is convenient but takes away some of those lovely retro feelings.
But it's certainly possible to use old joysticks in UAE, you just need one of these:
J4QDEJN.jpg

Works flawlessly, USB to dsub, just plug and play :)
Edit: Found here
http://www.retronicdesign.com/en/
 

Herne

Member
Don't know if this has already been covered but I'd be interested to know what happened to all the programmers that were around in that era. I'm thinking of the likes of:

Archer Maclean
Andrew Braybrook
Nik Pelling (how he got Wing Commander to work on the Amiga in any shape or form I'll never know!)
Mike Singleton
Geoff Crammond
Chris Sorrell

A lot of them seem to have just dropped off the map. Shame really as with a number of them their name on the box pretty much meant it was an essential purchase.

Mike Singleton died a few years ago, Geoff Crammond is still programming games here and there but his last release was in 2004, Archer MacLean made a few games for the Wii and writes for Retro Gamer and Andrew Braybrook is still programming, but not in the games industry.
 

dl77

Member
Oh yeah, I'd completely forgotten that he'd died. I loved Midwinter 2 when I was younger. I still remember being amazed that the sea in the game actually had waves that moved!

Oddly enough, one of the things I really remember from my Amiga years is the music you used to get in games. Even now if I remember a game I can pretty much remember the music from it, especially from the likes of Richard Joseph (RIP) and Alistair Brimble.
 

Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
I love Giant Bomb and give them money, but having series of them playing thru Contra and the NES Mega Mans at the same time is a bit much. I can only hope their new hires broaden the site's focus somewhat. They do have a pretty large audience outside the US they could do with some catering to.

Its a shame because in no way should one thing take away from the other; they are both equally authentic just they happened literally oceans apart at the same time!

The great thing is that the European scene is pretty well archived and available to experience via emulation, or even in the case of the demo-scene youtube and the like. Its a vast treasure-trove of stuff that's just gathering dust from a mainstream perspective.
 

wazoo

Member
ADF are quite a bad format nowadays considering conservation and copy protection.

Whdload is a much better way for conservation. It also handles quite well multi-disc games (no more swap). 2365 games have been converted to whdload (in fact more, but this is the officia list).
 
ADF are quite a bad format nowadays considering conservation and copy protection.

Whdload is a much better way for conservation. It also handles quite well multi-disc games (no more swap). 2365 games have been converted to whdload (in fact more, but this is the officia list).

You can't use WHDload slaves without a hard drive and it takes an 68010+ CPU and 1MB+ chipram to actually run the games, making them pretty useless for the most widely sold Amiga model on the market: A500.. And if you are emulating that means you have to go through the additional bother of installing Workbench and WHDLoad to a working configuration before you can run them.

WHDLoad is great, but it's not a replacement for disk images.
 

Mascot

Member
Don't know if this has already been covered but I'd be interested to know what happened to all the programmers that were around in that era. I'm thinking of the likes of:

Archer Maclean
Andrew Braybrook
Nik Pelling (how he got Wing Commander to work on the Amiga in any shape or form I'll never know!)
Mike Singleton
Geoff Crammond
Chris Sorrell

A lot of them seem to have just dropped off the map. Shame really as with a number of them their name on the box pretty much meant it was an essential purchase.

Don't forget Jeff Minter either. It's such a shame that Space Giraffe was too much of a head fuck and visual overload for many people. There's a fucking awesome Tempest variant in there that is pure Minter gold, but I swear he must have been totally off his tits when he sanctioned the visuals. I could barely see what the fuck was going on and like most people, had to ditch it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svoHwpfJmh8

Minter then threw his toys out of the pram because people didn't 'get' his vision and hasn't been back. A simple patch to offer a non-LSD option would have worked wonders. I'm sure it would have been a commercial success, and still could be. If you're listening - it's not too late Jeff..!
 

dl77

Member
I was never a huge Minter fan to be honest. I appreciate what he did but most of his games did nothing for me whereas the ones I mentioned made games that were far more personally appealing. Plus most of them pushed the hardware further than even the machine developers probably thought was possible.

Plus, whilst most of the others have dropped out of sight I think it's still relatively well known that he continues to work in the gaming industry pushing out versions of Tempest wherever he can!
 

Clear

CliffyB's Cock Holster
Minter's output is emblematic of a time when game making was an individualistic thing. People bought Jeff's stuff because of Jeff, and his idiosyncratic style.

Gotta say, I miss those days. Particularly because it wasn't really blown up to be an "auteur" thing; it was something anyone could do given effort and a bit of talent and imagination.
 
Hmmm... Might get an Armiga to rip all my stuff to and play it that way. And then I can just move those ADFs to my PC and extract my Deluxe Paint images and stuff?
 

keraj37

Member
Thanks, the A1200 with Compact Flash disc is crazy cool for a nostalgic like myself, running emulators on PC is convenient but takes away some of those lovely retro feelings.
But it's certainly possible to use old joysticks in UAE, you just need one of these:
J4QDEJN.jpg

Works flawlessly, USB to dsub, just plug and play :)
Edit: Found here
http://www.retronicdesign.com/en/

Thanks! I could use the same. I just bought joy on ebay: Speed Link Dark Tornado. Looks okay, and I hope it will work well with UAE.
 
Don't forget Jeff Minter either. It's such a shame that Space Giraffe was too much of a head fuck and visual overload for many people. There's a fucking awesome Tempest variant in there that is pure Minter gold, but I swear he must have been totally off his tits when he sanctioned the visuals. I could barely see what the fuck was going on and like most people, had to ditch it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svoHwpfJmh8

Minter then threw his toys out of the pram because people didn't 'get' his vision and hasn't been back. A simple patch to offer a non-LSD option would have worked wonders. I'm sure it would have been a commercial success, and still could be. If you're listening - it's not too late Jeff..!

Minter did TXK on Vita since he made Space Giraffe. There was a really good Collected Works article in this month's EDGE on Minter. He tried the mobile space for a few years and basically got nowhere to the point that he was pretty much broke. He made more money on TXK than he did on 10 mobile games.

He's currently making Polybius for PSVR, which EDGE (admittedly always Minter fanboys) describes as "a culmination of Minter's quest to induce a trance state in players and a great fit for VR".
 

wazoo

Member
So true. The weird part is seeing how often European based websites these days project an image of the past that never was.

The American and European experiences were very different for a long, long, time; Playstation was where things more-or-less-converged, but up to that point... very different scenes and general cultures.

Yes. it makes me laugh when I read that PC engine was much better than amiga. in theory, probably, for specific genres. But in reality, very few of them were sold in Europe at that time. It was very hard to find and if you owned one, you were in a geek minority.

For europeans, the definitive version of Parasol Stars was on Amiga, not on PC engine. Because you could actually buy and play it.


For NES and SMS, things were not much better.
 
Hi there,

I have been following this thread for a while now, and going through my old stuff over the weekend I found a copy of Midwinter 2: Flames of Freedom. It looks complete with box, three disks and manual (rather thick "Operations Manual"). If anyone is interested I am happy to give it away for free. Since the game and manual is in german language, Germans are preferred. The game and box have some rough edges though. PM me if you want it.
 

Lord Error

Insane For Sony
I finally got able to experience Amiga emulation in almost its original resolution on a VGA CRT. With fs-uae in fullscreen at 720x576, I can display the original 640x256 with borders and line-doubled, but at least without uneven pixel size. The display is minimum 60Hz though, so I get some screen tearing and jittery scrolling sadly. Still, Amiga in almost full screen on a CRT in its original resolution and aspect ratio! It makes me want one even more, now that I can see what it's all about. I played a bit of Cannon Fodder but I spent most of my time on the desktop trying to understand how it works.
You should try booting in NTSC mode under the emulator. That will have the refresh rate that matches up with your monitor. Lots of games, and obviously OS itself work great in NTSC mode, and you will get perfectly smooth scroll.

They do absolutely different things. Vampire has 128MB RAM and an FPGA that can run as a 133MHz 68EC040 which makes your Amiga basically the fastest Amiga there is, but I would argue that emulating hardware on an FPGA is still emulation even if the software will never know it. Regardless, FPGA has its plusses as it's a programmable core and free expansions like AGA are coming to Vampire soon. It also has things like HDMI out, MicroSD. However, it's not very user friendly, needs to be installed within the case onto the mainboard and takes a bit of tinkering to get to work as well as not being very newbie friendly and knowing your way around the computer, as well as how to obtain kickstarts, workbench etc. It's a great board but it has something like a 3 month waiting list and at 250-300 EUR costs a lot more than the ACA500plıs. Here's the data sheet.

ACA500Plus makes your Amiga that was in the closet for the last 10 years actually very, very usable. It has 8MB RAM, an 68EC000 chip clocked at 14MHz but can OC to 42MHz without issues making it as fast as an A1200 by default and 3x as fast as an A1200 without a sweat, as well as bringing with it bells and whistles like free Workbench 3.1, Kickstart 1.2/1.3/3.1, Action Replay III, two compact flash card readers that emulate SCSI drives. It's plug and play on the Zorro port so it takes knowing nothing to use. It's also fairly affordable at 129 EUR. You can read the features here.

A fair alternative to the ACA500Plus is the HC508 which you may also want to look into.
Thanks for the explanation. There's a few of these cards now and I lost track of what they're doing.
 

keraj37

Member
I want to check your amiga gaming knowledge.

Please guess from which amiga games are these screenshots (some are quite well known). If you guess all of them, I will buy you a good beer :)

1.
image.png


2.
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3.
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4.
image.png


5.
image.png
 
I want to check your amiga gaming knowledge.

Interestingly enough, I know all of them except number 4, even though I've never had an Amiga. I've known about the second one ever since reading about it in a magazine back in the day. I've played a DOS version of the first one. The third I found out about recently, and I was pleasantly surprised at how playable and fun it was.

1.
Lagaf': Les Adventures de Moktar (the international version being Titus the Fox)
2.
Beavers
3.
Arabian Nights
4. ?
5.
Gods
 

Ammogeddon

Member
Love this thread. The Amiga was my first gaming machine/computer. I think I had an A500 but cannot remember.

Played many games listed by others here but there were so many others too. They were great times.

Anyone remember Nebulous? I loved playing it but was never very good at it.

nebulus2.png
 

keraj37

Member
Interestingly enough, I know all of them except number 4, even though I've never had an Amiga. I've known about the second one ever since reading about it in a magazine back in the day. I've played a DOS version of the first one. The third I found out about recently, and I was pleasantly surprised at how playable and fun it was.

1.
Lagaf': Les Adventures de Moktar (the international version being Titus the Fox)
2.
Beavers
3.
Arabian Nights
4. ?
5.
Gods

You are good! Even if you don't know the number 4, don't worry, I will buy you good beer!

I will tell you what 4. is later - maybe someone else wants to try.
 
They do absolutely different things. Vampire has 128MB RAM and an FPGA that can run as a 133MHz 68EC040 which makes your Amiga basically the fastest Amiga there is, but I would argue that emulating hardware on an FPGA is still emulation even if the software will never know it. Regardless, FPGA has its plusses as it's a programmable core and free expansions like AGA are coming to Vampire soon. It also has things like HDMI out, MicroSD. However, it's not very user friendly, needs to be installed within the case onto the mainboard and takes a bit of tinkering to get to work as well as not being very newbie friendly and knowing your way around the computer, as well as how to obtain kickstarts, workbench etc. It's a great board but it has something like a 3 month waiting list and at 250-300 EUR costs a lot more than the ACA500plıs. Here's the data sheet.

ACA500Plus makes your Amiga that was in the closet for the last 10 years actually very, very usable. It has 8MB RAM, an 68EC000 chip clocked at 14MHz but can OC to 42MHz without issues making it as fast as an A1200 by default and 3x as fast as an A1200 without a sweat, as well as bringing with it bells and whistles like free Workbench 3.1, Kickstart 1.2/1.3/3.1, Action Replay III, two compact flash card readers that emulate SCSI drives. It's plug and play on the Zorro port so it takes knowing nothing to use. It's also fairly affordable at 129 EUR. You can read the features here.

A fair alternative to the ACA500Plus is the HC508 which you may also want to look into.

I have my old a500 that I am trying to fix up. It doesn't seem to turn on. Suspect it might be the power supply (won't be a leaking battery as this is original a500). Suspect it could be psu.

I am interested in the ACA500Plus. Does that allow hard drive or SD card? I would like a solution that gives me all the games without faffing around with useless disks.
 
I have my old a500 that I am trying to fix up. It doesn't seem to turn on. Suspect it might be the power supply (won't be a leaking battery as this is original a500). Suspect it could be psu.

I am interested in the ACA500Plus. Does that allow hard drive or SD card? I would like a solution that gives me all the games without faffing around with useless disks.

Might be a lot of things, including a leaking battery on the RAM expansion if you have one. When you say it won't turn on, do you mean absolutely nothing happens? Any power led or keyboard caps lock led activity? Any colors on the screen?

ACA500Plus accepts Compact Flash Cards (2 at a time) and lets you access them as IDE hard drives.
 
You are good! Even if you don't know the number 4, don't worry, I will buy you good beer!

I will tell you what 4. is later - maybe someone else wants to try.
I swear I booted number 4 up last week when testing something, but the name escapes me. It's doing my head in lol.

EDIT: The Keys to Maramon!
 
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