Nope, it's completely independent of the SoC's manufacturing process.
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A Nintendo Switch has been taken apart
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Nope, it's completely independent of the SoC's manufacturing process.
Xdrive05
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Thats 100% definitely 531
This. That's a 531 all day.
Holy shit could they have gone for 6gb in a 128 bus config?
Custom is possible as Thraktor pointed out about the chip shape. Exciting to speculate, though!
was'nt the leaked docs said it had 25.6GB/s?
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
I'm no expert, but the dock's air outflow is never blocked when docked since the fan's at the top (and the micro-USB at the bottom, attached to the dock).
I don't think airflow is a huge concern as long as you don't block the fan at the top.
I don't think airflow is a huge concern as long as you don't block the fan at the top.
Thats 100% definitely 531
So they might have gone for a 6GB config. Damn, while not as much as in home consoles, that is a lot for a tablet that size.
I hope it's true!
dampflokfreund
Banned
I guessed so. Some people were claiming that 128 Bit would confirm 16nm.
So right now it looks like the bus is 128 Bit? Awesome news if true.
Edit: 6 GB too? No way. That's too good to be true.
Yes, although those specs were from the original TX1-based dev-kits, so it's not impossible that it may have changed.
I suspect that may explain why there's the hole in the back of the dock here:
As well as a grill design above the presumable hub. Air is drawn in through those to the back of the Switch while docked.
Possibly. I assumed the vents over the port area were just air flow vents for passive cooling on the small board in there. That elongated hole however is interesting. Still wouldn't that mean the Switch pulls its air from the back of the system rather than then the bottom? I'm not worried as this things looks like a master engineering marvel for how they built the board and assembled everything, but I'm curious what the solution could be. Obviously we'll know once it's in our hands for sure.
LordOfChaos
Member
Here is a Wii U for comparison
Bear in mind the Wii U CPU/GPU were made on a 45nm fab, the Switch seems likely on a 20nm fab (may be 16, but 20 seems more likely). Size comparisons without scaling for the fabrication plant density won't be useful. Same as the 1050 die someone posted lol
frankie_baby
Member
The last 2 didgets on the second line which i think would be the 6th and 7th characters i think are 30 so looks like the second option os more likely
Or a custom chip like Nvidia has said all along, probably a modified X1 or what not.
Honestly if this thing has 6gb of ram it's a beast. Especially if its a 128 bit bus.
Skittzo0413
Member
Thats 100% definitely 531
Actually there appears to be a QR code on the RAM modules too. I doubt that would be of any use to us right? Even if we had a higher resolution picture?
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
I suspect that may explain why there's the hole in the back of the dock here:
As well as a grill design above the presumable hub. Air is drawn in through those to the back of the Switch while docked.
I don't think it gets hot enough for intake to be a huge concern. Notice how even with that, most of the intake is blocked, not to mention that panel is usually closed which restrict it even more.
Good luck getting much air intake from that.
But the chip ID is on the top. It reads 1629A2, while in the X1's case the last two letters are X1, so this is s custom chip.
I don't think Nintendo ninja can reach China, because they don't care
Thats 100% definitely 531
I'm definitely seeing SEC 531 as well
Honestly I feel like I see a K4 on that line too
I'm actually heavily leaning towards 4GB & 25.6GB/s at the moment. I don't think the SEC number is all that relevant, it's the two lines beneath it which are the product code (their product codes are 14 digits long and split into two 7 digit lines on the modules).
If it is the 2GB module that I suspect it is, then the two lines would be as follows:
K4F6E30
4HBMGCH
This looks like a pretty good match for what we see on the chips. You can see on this image:
The last two digits of the first line look like 3 and 0, and the last digit of the second line looks like H, which all matches up with the 2GB module.
Hmm now maybe we realise what Capcom was on about. The system may initially have had 3 gigs of ram (which is what shield uses) but they complained it was too little so the Ram was doubled and could be 6. Remember that some leaks mentioned 6 gigs.
On the other hand we could be looking at a dev kit version here and that may have 6 gigs on board.
On the other hand we could be looking at a dev kit version here and that may have 6 gigs on board.
Ninjas not alowed in china, lu bo and gang on guard lol.
This is exciting, Very excited for what this switch can do.
dampflokfreund
Banned
You are right, the numbers definately match.
Sigh... it was good as long as it lasted... :/
Schnozberry
Member
One of the pics in the OP makes it pretty easy to pick out the last 4 characters as MCGH.
You are right, and I can read the 4HB-MGCH after that on the next line. Seems like we are dealing with the K4F6E304HB-MGCH, then. That would confirm 25.6 GB/s, right? Or do they generally add other components to it as well to improve it?
Xdrive05
Member
Yeah, I think Thraktor had it there. The rollercoaster!
Okay, so if we're at this low memory bandwidth, then how exactly is this chip customized for Nintendo? We can see the product number indicates it is a different run than the stock chips.
This will require chip scans, won't it.
Okay, so if we're at this low memory bandwidth, then how exactly is this chip customized for Nintendo? We can see the product number indicates it is a different run than the stock chips.
This will require chip scans, won't it.
frankie_baby
Member
We don't know yet
Maybe there's a larger cache on chip .
dampflokfreund
Banned
I don't think the RAM has anything to do with the customization by Nintendo done on the Tegra soc.
How the fuck can you guys read numbers and letters lol
All i see is pixels.
All i see is pixels.
It was a guess based on the clock he saw while running a stress test.
That should be a given.
I highly doubt it has anything to do with VR
blu
Wants the largest console games publisher to avoid Nintendo's platforms.
That's right, product code is the second line mainly, with mostly packaging details / production batches spilling over the third line.
frankie_baby
Member
That's $90 ?
90 inclucing the AC adapter which they sell for $30 and an HDMI cable so its more than comarable with othe USB-C docks
LordOfChaos
Member
It's pretty wild that there's nearly no air inside. It's so densely designed.
It seems a lot more Nvidia than Nintendo, doesn't it. The inside layout looks similar to a compacted Shield TV, more than anything Nintendo made.
Pancake Mix
Copied someone else's pancake recipe
It's why people who think there could be an arbitrarily handheld-only Switch re-design are confused.
Console-only maybe, not including a dock absolutely, but a design in which Nintendo would not be able to sell you a heavily marked-up dock? Not happening. It's an accessory that just requires a micro-USB and it's part of the system's whole concept to boot.
As far as I can tell the last 4 digits just describe the packaging, so MCGH just says it's a 15x10mm 200FBGA (which would appear to be the case from the dimensions of the module in the photo, anyway). The remaining digits certainly seem to match the 2GB module, though.
That means 32 bit from individual chips hence total 64bit
Hcoregamer00
The 'H' stands for hentai.
4GB of RAM is already impressive as is since it is pretty much in line Apple's smartphones and tablets and a gigantic majority of Android smartphones and tablets. Of course, I wouldn't be shocked if nitnendo does a half step like PS4 pro/Scorpio in the future and does a CPU/GPU leap coupled with 6GB/8GB.
As pointed out by people, the current consoles with 8GB of RAM allocates a ton of it for the OS, when the switch has a lean OS.
As pointed out by people, the current consoles with 8GB of RAM allocates a ton of it for the OS, when the switch has a lean OS.
frankie_baby
Member
That means?
I don't know, that 0 looks more like a 3 to me, is there any ram chip that has a 3 in the last digit if there is one for a 0?