The Artisan
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How well did FFS15 sell on xbone?
I don't think this'll happen but is it possible it won't even turn a profit?
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Let's Talk About Sony's Timed Exclusives and Lack of Disclosures
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Actually MS did talk about RotTR, and they were backed up by Crystal Dymanics(if I remember right). That is why there was a big backlash.
Dargor
Member
That doesn't prove anything though. It might just as well be SE worried that PC sales might cannibalise PS4 sales, and for some reason or the other, they think thats a bad thing.
plasmawave
Banned
You guys really need to provide proof of this.
Crayon
Member
Timed exclusive can be a fine deal for everyone. Players get to play the game sooner or later. Platform holder gets the boost from the buzz and publisher gets to manipulate perception and sales a little bit. It's easy to get it a little fucked up and then someone's not happy, though. And that someone is usually the consumer.
Look at the Nier on PC situation from yesterday. They probably didn't set out to piss a bunch of people off with rollercoaster ride of bad information but they did it with sloppy handling.
Look at the Nier on PC situation from yesterday. They probably didn't set out to piss a bunch of people off with rollercoaster ride of bad information but they did it with sloppy handling.
Uno Venova
Banned
I thought they lied about what it actually was, something I'm not sure Sony has done yet.
InsaneTiger
Member
It was a ridiculous thread to read.
https://www.sie.com/en/corporate/release/2016/160614a.html
Kojima wanted it on PC, Sony agreed. The game has never been said to be PS exclusive.
Nobody has denied it is not coming to PC after Kojima said it.
Sony also published themselves Helldivers and Everybody's Gone to the Rapture on Steam, which are also games owned and produced by them.
And they are not worried about that happening with DQ Heroes II... Why exactly?
Arkam
Member
So you want a hand written note sent to your house letting you know the exact duration? I see nothing wrong with making an announcement that a game is coming to your platform and omitting the exclusive duration. If YOU the consumer want to know if it is coming to another platform later it is up to YOU the consumer to investigate. Expecting one platform holder to come out and let you know the limitations of their deal and when you can get said content on a competetor's platfrom does not make for good business.
Jetboxx
Member
Wow, sounds interesting. I'd like to read about it. Don't you have a source?
Pretty sure the director of 14 came out and said that was bullshit. Hell they even said they are thinking about making a switch version. Fuck isnt dqx also coming to ps4 and isn't that cross play with the freaking wiiu and 3ds.
How did DQ Heroes do on PC? Steamspy shows less than 40k.
gundamkyoukai
Member
Yes i do think they pull decisions about games out of a hat .
The made ROTR X1 exclusive for a year .
It's not like the PC version of Nier going to effect Japanese sales .
Where that is only place that Sony would even have a marketing deal for this type of game.
What would be the benefit for Square to maximize PS4 pre-orders? They earn less money on those.
A trailer mentioning a Steam release date went up yesterday, only to be immediately replaced by a trailer with no mention of steam.
The steam trailer was rendered after the PS4-only one, so it can't be some "change of plan regarding the PC version", unless you think somebody at square has short term memory losses.
A trailer mentioning a Steam release date went up yesterday, only to be immediately replaced by a trailer with no mention of steam.
The steam trailer was rendered after the PS4-only one, so it can't be some "change of plan regarding the PC version", unless you think somebody at square has short term memory losses.
Trying to understand the reasons Square does the things they do can drive a man to insanity.
This thread really seems like it's just a problem with Neir, and not a huge problem Sony has in general. Crash was fine, with a minor Twitter hiccup that was addressed. Nothing states Nioh as a timed exclusive.
This thread really seems like it's just a problem with Neir, and not a huge problem Sony has in general. Crash was fine, with a minor Twitter hiccup that was addressed. Nothing states Nioh as a timed exclusive.
plasmawave
Banned
So this is your proof?
Because Square-Enix marketing decisions around Nier make no sense for their business and only benefits Sony.
In cases like this PR from trailer and such are far less likely to be the best indicators for exclusivity you only have to look at all the partner trailers with games like Destiny, COD, etc.
Thanks for that this is a pretty good indicator PC version could still happen probably also after 1yr due to Sony's heavy investment in the project.
What is your explanation?
Dargor
Member
I dunno, maybe they think PC sales won't hurt PS4 sales cuz of the genre? Musou games doesn't sound like the type of game that PC or console gamers would fight about lol. And by fight I mean clash in a negative way that would hurt each others sales.
PC gamers will buy them for PC and console gamers for consoles, unlike Nier, were you brought anecdotal evidence that some PC gamers just can't wait for it lol.
But I'm not claiming anything as facts though.
Uno Venova
Banned
So I guess it's been established that the most Sony does is deliberately not mention other platforms, which it isn't their job to. Which is also in no way comparable to actually spreading misinformation about the titles exclusivity, like, say the ROTR situation.
It truly doesn't make any sense.
unless they want to drive preorders for the ps4 version and then get people to double dip and get the pc version too.
Rumblebones
Banned
There are undeniable double standards in this community when it comes to platform holders and their actions. This just one example.
Sure, because this is not spreading misinformation.
https://youtu.be/nCuMLqEiiws?t=1h39m30s
https://youtu.be/LVyVelgMh2w?t=40m47s
They made ROTR X1 exclusive for 6 months. In exchange of money. And even then with the delay they managed to sell over a million copies on Steam which is pretty impressive considering it was 6 months late.
And once again, I don't see why are you trying to bring that up. How in the fuck does them making a dumb financial decisions based on a deam supposed to disprove that they did another dumb financial decision based on a deal again?
Please learn to read and come back later.
plasmawave
Banned
I'm the one asking for a poof here.
^ apparently SE is a hostage, and Sony forced them to sign a marketing deal. Amazing thread.
Great argument.
Dear god are you people forced to be so disingenuous and smart assy? If they made a fucking deal they're not allowed to talk about it, in exchange Sony gave them whatever. Nobody is saying Square Enix was forced to do it.
Ok, let's suppose S-E are that stupid.
What if the game releases the same date on PS4 an PC, as the last leaked trailer suggests?
Equanimity
Member
yes Sony has been open about timed exclusives, Microsoft hasn't especially in the case of Tomb Raider. So they got raked over the coals.
The double standard is some people want Sony raked over the coals for no reason.
plasmawave
Banned
I'm asking for a proof which you have yet to provide. What argument?
The Artisan
Member
yeah i'd like to see a source for this too. i thought as far as I knew that Yakuza remained a playstation exclusive not exactly for brand loyalty but because Sega realized it would be most and pretty much only successful on playstation.
i don't think the wii u remasters was a moneyhat either, i think sega was just testing the waters of yakuza on nintendo
Delaying it or not mentioning it absolutely hurts the sales of that version.
The game will probably be released at the same time, so no, that doesn't seem to be the reason.
Is this a joke post?
Sony has lied on stage about exclusives.
https://youtu.be/nCuMLqEiiws?t=1h39m30s
https://youtu.be/LVyVelgMh2w?t=40m47s
Equanimity
Member
Yeah you're right. The more gamers that get to play good games, the better.
It's not a lie. How do we know if NNK2 had PC port was planned back in 2015?
I don't think Sony has anything to gain from lying about Nier Automata, it was confirmed as a PS4 game on reveal. Square is still not talking about the PC port so why should Sony?
the leaked trailer had them 3 days apart. people preordering would get it on ps4 release date, then some would double dip for PC, just like I said.
Uno Venova
Banned
So basically two publishers might have agreed and carried out the terms of a contract, hypothetically? Seems pretty tame.
The leaked trailer has the same release date as PS4 in Europe.
Yes, that's probably what happened. But apparently it's impossible to accept for some people.
I'm not going to find a written contract for a marketing deal no (because you'll probably never find those for any kind of marketing deal). You have given me no reason to believe a marketing deal didn't happen though.
It has the same release date as the EU version.
Are you arguing that SE is so crazy that they are only specifically targeting the US market for double dipping?
gundamkyoukai
Member
Sony had done those type of deals with other companies and never stop them from talking about the PC version .
But somehow a niche game like Nier is the special case where they asking SE not to mention the PC version .
Which mind only going to effect sales in the west .
So you give two examples but how were either of them lies? I don't see anything they are saying that they won't come out on other platforms.
Dargor
Member
Yeah, but where does it prove that they are doing it cuz Sony paid them to?
plasmawave
Banned
The onus is on you to prove it since that's what you're claiming it happened.
Some are just purposefully obtuse in this topic, it's kinda hilarious with this many shit posts...
They are console exclusives which is what was said. It that conference they are not going to talk about the PC version. So again how is it lies?
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