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[yyr]

My respect for pewdiepie has skyrocketed after this and his previous apology video.

So you're saying that you now highly respect this person, who paid someone to hold up a sign that said "Death to All Jews."

Please, think about that for a little while before you consider posting again. Thank you.

 

[JackDT]

Anybody read the actual WSJ article? I don't have an account so I could only watch the video they provided, and it was tame to say the least. Doesn't argue he's a nazi, didn't label him an antisemite or fascist. This seems like an overreaction to a strawman.

Yes. He's super mad they didn't provide the entire context for every segment. And he's pulling this strawmen saying the WSJ called him a Nazi when they very clearly distinguished that they were talking about Stormfront and whatnot holding him up as a figurehead. I'm certain that even with the full context for every single clip, Disney would have still decided that he wasn't a great fit with their brand. Also he complains they didn't mention his charity work on the article. WAT.

Whiny, entitled, and totally self-obsessed. Truly a great person to be the most popular children's entertainer in the world.

 

[ceramic]

What if the news paid someone to hold the sign up? Then "reported" on this "news". Because that is what happened here.

PDP paid people and told them exactly what to do. Then was "shocked" and "horrified" but what people would do for money on the internet. Which to be fair, included him making rape jokes up until a year or two ago.

OK, I see what you mean. I hadn't considered the 'exploiting poor people for drama' angle. I still think he was misguided rather than deliberately malicious/ a nazi, but definitely see how he was out of line here.

I'm going to bow out of this thread now. Thanks for taking my argument in good faith

 

[Gator86]

I just said it: judge people by their actions, not what they believe. Whether PDP actually believes all jews deserve to die is irrelevant and completely unprovable.

Weird, I've heard from reliable sources you should only judge people by their heart.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/01/trump-statements-kellyanne-conway-233344

 

[Garjon]

Oh he's at it again. He may claim ignorance but I refuse to believe that he does not know who Sargon is; anyone with a big internet presence must know about him by now. I don't know what PdP's game is but I'm beginning to challenge my initial judgement on him just being a naive fool who doesn't know better.

Meanwhile, over at an actual Nazi site...



The rest of the article is all about how they intended to flood the WSJ and attempt to get Ben Fritz fired.

Wow, sounds a lot like no-platforming, wonder if we can get a condemnation from conservatives on this too?

 

[Nydius]

Buzzfeed News had a guest OpEd a while ago when everything broke that I felt was a good read: The Downfall Of YouTube's Biggest Star Is A Symptom Of A Bigger Illness.

Some excerpts:

So that's one story we could tell, about how the tech, money, and celebrity spheres we're familiar with all converged on the most hot-button issue of 2017: the rise of white nationalism and fascism in America. It's a slam dunk. But it's not the real story.

The real story with PewDiePie is not that somebody you're preconditioned to hate — whether out of personal distaste for his combination of Euro-DJ obliviousness and shrieking energy, or because you dismiss his industry at large, or because you're incredulous that anybody could make this much money doing basically nothing — got his just deserts. That's missing the point, because PewDiePie himself is beside the point. He is one of 50 million-and-one drops in an ocean, caught in a tide toward a nasty shore.

Because PewDiePie's relationship to his following, like that of Milo to his own fans, is both a reciprocal system of validation and a male personality cult, we don't diagnose it as anything out of the ordinary: We take it at face value, because ”men are men." We can demonize ”them" (the ones who go too far) as an idea, continue to ignore them in reality, and then act shocked when their need for attention finally intersects with their ability to make themselves heard.

Reddit ”ironists," imageboard Pepe posters, and all the other uncreative online shock jocks are born of a culture that is insulated from real life. Hitler jokes and rape jokes alike come originally from naivete, and eventually harden into belief: Witness so many stand-up comics caught with their pants down, who then get so hurt by the backlash that they double down, becoming vicious. Projecting our cultural shadow onto their Other — we, the good people, searching out and stomping out those who are secretly not good — keeps us from seeing how these communities start, grow, and feed on our dismissal.

It's just a short step from like-minded victim-heroes linking up to edgelords radicalizing each other, just like men's rights activists, or creepy pick-up artists: Nobody else gets their embattled perspective, their need for validation, their need for help. In fact, they're vilified for it. And so they urge one another on, and because all humor is based on seeds of discomfort, and seeds can eventually bloom, the joke hate eventually evolves into real hate.

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

I mean, he paid people to hold up an anti-Semetic sign. What are we supposed to take from that?

Like, if I paid someone to go around yelling at women that they are fat and should lose weight, what would that say? I mean, I wasn't the one *doing* the thing, so surely you couldn't possibly imply that I was a misogynist, I was simply trying to show what someone would do for money.

The fact that my mind "went there" with a horribly misogynistic action might heavily imply that I hold a certain comfort level with misogyny to the point that I find it an acceptable grounds for which to tell "jokes".

Then you look at who PDP is willing to associate with, and who his friends are willing to associate with. And you look back at his general comfort level around the periphery of racism and with using Nazi imagery.. and you look at his past use of Rape jokes for humor. and joking about hurting women who don't make him sandwhiches correctly.

I don't know what is in PDPs heart, but I know that he is willing to take his persona places that I would be very uncomfortable going for money.

Paying someone to do what is generally accepted in western criminal law as a harassment isn't the same as asking someone to hold up an inflammatory sign. The fact that anyone's mind could 'go there' doesn't really imply anything (unless you're just condemning people based on what you've decided they're actually thinking).

 

[ClosingADoor]

Paying someone to do what is generally accepted in western criminal law as a harassment isn't the same as asking someone to hold up an inflammatory sign. The fact that anyone's mind could 'go there' doesn't really imply anything (unless you're just condemning people based on what you've decided they're actually thinking).

Why even have them make that sign? It shows you are comfortable to make statements like that, which is enough of a problem.

The excuse seems to be: he wanted to see how far people would go. Well, then there are a million possible sentences to use before using one that calls for the death of an entire group which has a history with them actually being a victim of said thing.

 

[Makonero]

Paying someone to do what is generally accepted in western criminal law as a harassment isn't the same as asking someone to hold up an inflammatory sign. The fact that anyone's mind could 'go there' doesn't really imply anything (unless you're just condemning people based on what you've decided they're actually thinking).

if you were jewish and someone linked that section of video to you, would you feel harassed?

 

[ChazGW7]

Frankly I wish he'd just be a professional and leave it all behind him.

He has every right to defend himself, and doing such does not make him any less of a professional.

 

[Spiral Insanity]

Straight up hit pieces from WSJ, going after his huge reach/audience.

he has every right to throw a tantrum and it absolutely makes him less professional

professional means taking responsibility, actually apologizing, and not making excuses or attacking those who have called you out

If you knew what/how they were accusing him, you wouldn't expect him to just 'accept' it and apologize.

Yes, it does. There is a reason why celebrities go quiet after things like this. Because going on the attack isn't the right way to deal with it.

Does he have the right? Sure. But it also makes him a gigantic idiot for doing so, certainly in the way he is doing now.

Thats the issue with social media stars, he'll just put stuff out without going through agents/agencies or departments. There's hardly a filter.

first off, write a new post. it's fucking infuriating to have to read upstream.

second of all, WSJ reported. they didn't accuse him of anything. he should have said, whoa, maybe these jokes were of bad taste and not something that's good for my brand. instead he doubled down and attacked those who dared say, "hey this popular guy sure does bring up nazism a lot!"

Taking videos out of context and making someone out to be a Nazi (which is a huge deal) is not 'reporting' worth defending. The tweets by Ben Fritz have just as much 'proof' that HE is a Nazi as well. It is ridiculous.

Every other 'comedian' (if you think Pewdiepie is funny or not, his show is meant to be entertainment) that ever depicted himself as a Nazi, or Nazi imagery, can then also be reasonably be accused of it.

Worst part is that all this attention should be levelled at real nazi's, racists, fascists that use social media and have a wide reach.

 

[Makonero]

He has every right to defend himself, and doing such does not make him any less of a professional.

he has every right to throw a tantrum and it absolutely makes him less professional

professional means taking responsibility, actually apologizing, and not making excuses or attacking those who have called you out

 

[ClosingADoor]

He has every right to defend himself, and doing such does not make him any less of a professional.

Yes, it does. There is a reason why celebrities go quiet after things like this. Because going on the attack isn't the right way to deal with it.

Does he have the right? Sure. But it also makes him a gigantic idiot for doing so, certainly in the way he is doing now.

Straight up hit pieces from WSJ, going after his huge reach/audience.

Pieces? Can you point to other articles the WSJ has written that are "hit pieces"? Did you actually read those articles and make your own judgement for that?

No. One of Felixs' best friends h3h3 (Ethan) is Jewish.

I got a jewish/black/muslim/insert minority here friend does not mean someone can not still hold bad views towards those groups, or is capable of offending people of said group.

 

[Copper]

if you were jewish and someone linked that section of video to you, would you feel harassed?

No. One of Felixs' best friends h3h3 (Ethan) is Jewish.

 

[QuiteWhittle]

Meanwhile, the enlightened individuals preach from "Both sides" mountain.

Spare us.

No he's right.

Side 1: Blacks are intellectually inferior to whites.

Side 2: I'm not a believer in scientific racism, so I disagree.

Now time to evaluate both sides and come to a consensus that everyone can agree on.

 

[jtb]

Paying someone to do what is generally accepted in western criminal law as a harassment isn't the same as asking someone to hold up an inflammatory sign. The fact that anyone's mind could 'go there' doesn't really imply anything (unless you're just condemning people based on what you've decided they're actually thinking).

How is the sign that PDP actually used not harassment?

No. One of Felixs' best friends h3h3 (Ethan) is Jewish.

Please tell me this is a joke. I really can't tell anymore.

 

[Makonero]

If you knew what/how they were accusing him, you wouldn't expect him to just 'accept' it and apologize.

first off, write a new post. it's fucking infuriating to have to read upstream.

second of all, WSJ reported. they didn't accuse him of anything. he should have said, whoa, maybe these jokes were of bad taste and not something that's good for my brand. instead he doubled down and attacked those who dared say, "hey this popular guy sure does bring up nazism a lot!"

 

[Hoho for breakfast]

It's his stance against the WSJ and "fake media" that I find concerning, especially when A) his sourcing and platform are flimsy at best and B) it's eereily similar to the stance taken by the current fascist presidential administration, the alt-right, and gamergate. Not a rabbit hole I'd want to be going down or associating with. At that point when you look around and you are surrounded by shit bags like Sargon, Milo and Gamergate, it might be time for some introspection.

Man, you have to separate Trump and his hate of the media from pewdiepie and his hate for it.

Just because they both don't like the media doesn't make them the same.

This is the crap I was talking about earlier with throwing around these types of words like candy. I mean if you really feel pewdiepie is a fascist or whatever then carry on...but I think we should save that kind of talk for the actual fascists/racists/nazis etc.

 

[ClosingADoor]

Thats the issue with social media stars, he'll just put stuff out without going through agents/agencies or departments. There's hardly a filter.

And at some point this becomes a problem. Certainly when you want to make "edgy jokes" or whatever the defense is now.

Celebrities need people as a buffer sometimes to prevent situations like this.

Can you still link me to those "hit pieces" from the WSJ please? Because I'm very interested in which ones you have found.

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

Apologies tend to fall flat when in your next breath you lash out at other people and try to be a martyr.

Acknowledging your own flaws in no way excepts you from pointing out those of others the flaws of others.

It's a matter of fact that he was deliberately mis-characterised by the WSJ, I don't see why he can't apologise for the things he's done wrong and still point out where he was unfairly misrepresented.

Like, if you broke into a store and stole a TV and when they caught up to and arrested you the owner accused you of stealing a TV, a blu-ray player, $500 out of the till and spitting in the sales assistant's face, wouldn't you want to take a moment to rebuke those claims - like vehemently?

 

[jtb]

Man, you have to separate Trump and his hate of the media from pewdiepie and his hate for it.

Just because they both don't like the media doesn't make them the same.

This is the crap I was talking about earlier with throwing around these types of words like candy. I mean if you really feel pewdiepie is a fascist or whatever then carry on...but I think we should save that kind of talk for the actual fascists/racists/nazis etc.

Or we can oppose hate wherever it appears. Hm. This is a tough one.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Man, you have to separate Trump and his hate of the media from pewdiepie and his hate for it.

Just because they both don't like the media doesn't make them the same.

This is the crap I was talking about earlier with throwing around these types of words like candy. I mean if you really feel pewdiepie is a fascist or whatever then carry on...but I think we should save that kind of talk for the actual fascists/racists/nazis etc.

It's the same dangerous cult of personality tactic of discrediting the news not because it's wrong, but because you don't like it. He uses misinformation to try and convince his followers that he news is misleading. He's leading people down that same fucking rabbit hole, and considering the current climate both in the world and on the internet, and the way shit like gamergate, the alt right and the forces that got Trump elected in the first place are so closely tied, it's incredibly irresponsible and dangerous as fuck. And he absolutely deserves to be called out on it. If his sensitive whiny sheltered ass can't take it, too bad.

 

[aeolist]

Man, you have to separate Trump and his hate of the media from pewdiepie and his hate for it.

Just because they both don't like the media doesn't make them the same.

This is the crap I was talking about earlier with throwing around these types of words like candy. I mean if you really feel pewdiepie is a fascist or whatever then carry on...but I think we should save that kind of talk for the actual fascists/racists/nazis etc.

it's impossible to talk about a generalized distrust of the mainstream media without being caught up in trump's bullshit. that's just a fact of life in the current context of world events.

not to say that you can't or shouldn't criticize but blanket statements of "the media is all awful clickbait yellow journalism now and shouldn't be trusted" will inevitably align you with trump.

 

[yyr]

No. One of Felixs' best friends h3h3 (Ethan) is Jewish.

Are you for real?

I am Jewish. Does that give me a license to present a "Death to All Jews" sign in front of millions of people? Does that give my friends a license to do the same?

I'm going to assume that you're running on two hours of sleep and just aren't thinking. You're clearly exhausted and not in your right mind. Please, get off GAF and get some sleep.

 

[Spiral Insanity]

And at some point this becomes a problem. Certainly when you want to make "edgy jokes" or whatever the defense is now.

Celebrities need people as a buffer sometimes to prevent situations like this.

Can you still link me to those "hit pieces" from the WSJ please? Because I'm very interested in which ones you have found.

It is his downfall. And people will learn from this. But all in all, this is a sad affair.

 

[Warablo]

I stand by PewDiePie defending himself.

 

[MBison]

The new PDP video is amazing and one of the best fuck yous in the history of the internet.

 

[ScientificPizza]

How is Ben Fritz a hypocrite? Just linking to his twitter feed isn't very helpful, and I don't want to watch a Pewdiepie video

Regardless of the intentions from the WSJ, that doesn't change anything that Pewdiepie did. He still did those things, he still made those awful, hateful jokes, and he deserves to be held accountable.

This all just reads as deflection

 

[Gotdatmoney]

He has every right to defend himself, and doing such does not make him any less of a professional.

His entire antics through this whole thing make him seem like a child. He never was professional so I dont want to pretend he ever was. Rape jokes, so professional right?

 

[MBison]

How is Ben Fritz a hypocrite? Just linking to his twitter feed isn't very helpful, and I don't want to watch a Pewdiepie video

Regardless of the intentions from the WSJ, that doesn't change anything that Pewdiepie did. He still did those things, he still made those awful, hateful jokes, and he deserves to be held accountable.

This all just reads as deflection

All you have to do is look at the front page of this thread for your answers.

 

[Alucrid]

No. One of Felixs' best friends h3h3 (Ethan) is Jewish.

shut

this

thread

down

 

[Makonero]

His entire antics through this whole thing make him seem like a child. He never was professional so I dont want to pretend he ever was. Rape jokes, so professional right?

what, your co-workers don't constantly make rape jokes and show you pictures of swastikas?


that's perfectly professional and downright child-friendly

 

[Schlorgan]

shut

this

thread

down

I wonder if this will end up being one of those threads that people link to in the future and most of the people involved are banned.

 

[Ros8105]

His entire antics through this whole thing make him seem like a child. He never was professional so I dont want to pretend he ever was. Rape jokes, so professional right?

He did that shit years ago, and he stopped doing it. Are you guys going to bring this up every page?

 

[Dongs Macabre]

Two and a half years later and people are still riding that ethics in journalism train.

 

[bart64]

It's the same dangerous cult of personality tactic of discrediting the news not because it's wrong, but because you don't like it. He uses misinformation to try and convince his followers that he news is misleading. He's leading people down that same fucking rabbit hole, and considering the current climate both in the world and on the internet, and the way shit like gamergate, the alt right and the forces that got Trump elected in the first place are so closely tied, it's incredibly irresponsible and dangerous as fuck. And he absolutely deserves to be called out on it. If his sensitive whiny sheltered ass can't take it, too bad.

WSJ was wrong and Pew is not the one that is doing the misleading. There is good journalism out there but WSJ is going in the wrong direction and I'm proud of him for standing up to them.

 

[Prithee Be Careful]

How is the sign that PDP actually used not harassment

That it doesn't qualify as harassment. Harassment is an accusation brought by one against another. One cannot commit harassment against an entire group of several million people - lest you think PDP is guilty of several million counts of harassment against all Jews who may have seen his video?

By this definition, you could hold the WSJ - or any other media outlet who reprinted the screenshot - guilty of harassment too. I'm sure they'd claim they were trying to bring attention to PDP's behaviour and not seeking to offend, but PDP could make the same claim for himself, that he was trying to draw attention to FIVERRR's general scumminess and not offend Jews in general.

 

[Garjon]

The thing is, if he had just left it at his 'response' video, all of this probably would have been forgotten and lost to the ages. Even if you discount the Sargon linking, this video reaffirms a suspicion about his response that I had - he is upset, but not sorry. By reopening the affair (in blissfully unaware fashion) through linking to a tasteless joke made 8 years ago by the article's author to have a revenge pop he is showing that he has not learned anything and is not willing to actually learn what he did wrong.

 

[Ratrat]

It looks like he linked to Sargon because he had made a very good video defending him. Doesn't mean he shares the same views on everything I don't think. Not too familiar with Sargon's content (only saw his video in defense of PDP) so I don't know much about his normal content or beliefs.

Edit: Nevermind, didn't know how much a shithead Sargon was and how stupid my statement sounds!

So what you're saying is, that Piers Morgan was right in calling Ewan a pedophile lover for being friends with a child rapist?
Because that's not what responses in that thread were indicating.

 

[Skux]

The WSJ article was a hit piece and reeked of Buzzfeed journalism. Comparing him to Nazis because he has an undercut and wears circular glasses? Get real. The guy says one joke in poor taste and suddenly gets dogpiled by people looking to score internet cred, of course he's gonna be defiant.

 

[APF]

How is Ben Fritz a hypocrite?

He once made a shitty offensive joke in his life, so he's a hypocrite for reporting that someone else recently made shitty offensive jokes. The hypocrites are certainly not the people petitioning to have him fired for his joke due to his reportage leading to someone else being fired for their jokes.

He did that shit years ago, and he stopped doing it. Are you guys going to bring this up every page?

Yes, it is wrong to deliberately troll through someone's statements years prior in order to find something to criticise them for.

 

[ScientificPizza]

All you have to do is look at the front page of this thread for your answers.

Okay? That dude also made deplorable jokes, how does that change what Pewdiepie did at all?

 

[Gattsu25]

It's the same dangerous cult of personality tactic of discrediting the news not because it's wrong, but because you don't like it. He uses misinformation to try and convince his followers that he news is misleading. He's leading people down that same fucking rabbit hole, and considering the current climate both in the world and on the internet, and the way shit like gamergate, the alt right and the forces that got Trump elected in the first place are so closely tied, it's incredibly irresponsible and dangerous as fuck. And he absolutely deserves to be called out on it. If his sensitive whiny sheltered ass can't take it, too bad.

Especially now that PDP is directly connecting himself to GamerGate's taint

 

[Spiral Insanity]

Are you for real?

I am Jewish. Does that give me a license to present a "Death to All Jews" sign in front of millions of people? Does that give my friends a license to do the same?

I'm going to assume that you're running on two hours of sleep and just aren't thinking. You're clearly exhausted and not in your right mind. Please, get off GAF and get some sleep.

Imagine this, Dec 8 he makes a video called 'I'm Racist?' because there were fake news articles (Sky news...) with made-up comments by Pewdiepie, talking about how he was a Nazi. This was a video where he goes over all of the hate articles written by him, a lot of them with ridiculous claims. (Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGX2mJ6IbS0&)

In that same video, as a humorous way (not too far fetched) to deal with these (in his eyes) outrageous claims, he wears a Nazi uniform and films himself watching a Hitler speech. It's actually pretty funny.

WSJ uses footage of him wearing the nazi uniform and him saluting hitler to 'prove' that he is a Nazi.

It is absolutely ridiculous. A hit piece. Taken out of context.

I'm honestly not even subscribed to him, but I hate that they are going after him over this.

 

[Deleted member 10571]

By this definition, you could hold the WSJ - or any other media outlet who reprinted the screenshot - guilty of harassment too. I'm sure they'd claim they were trying to bring attention to PDP's behaviour and not seeking to offend, but PDP could make the same claim for himself, that he was trying to draw attention to FIVERRR's general scumminess and not offend Jews in general.

Except he literally caused and created that sign, he wasn't reporting on it. Which is what the WSJ did.

 

[Gator86]

Man, you have to separate Trump and his hate of the media from pewdiepie and his hate for it.

Just because they both don't like the media doesn't make them the same.

This is the crap I was talking about earlier with throwing around these types of words like candy. I mean if you really feel pewdiepie is a fascist or whatever then carry on...but I think we should save that kind of talk for the actual fascists/racists/nazis etc.

Define actual racists please.

Person A thinks black people are less intelligent and says it out loud.
Person B doesn't feel comfortable around black people and laughs at jokes about how unintelligent black people are.
Person C has many black friends and and finds jokes about how unintelligent black people are funny, but doesn't laugh.
Person D is not consciously aware of any negative thoughts they have about black people but over a 30 year career, disproportionately hired white candidates versus black candidates when the candidates were equally qualified.

Who is an actual racist? Are any of them racist? Can we know without peering into their hearts?

Chasing the idea of "actual racism" serves literally no purpose. The conversation is more nuanced and complex than that. Trying to paint a blanket picture of activity by "not-racist" people as always okay misses the mark entirely.

 

[Apoleptica]

Pewdiepie absolutely destroyed WSJ and J.K Rowling, wow. Also lol at all the people in the thread not even willing to watch the video, just sad.

 

[jtb]

That it doesn't qualify as harassment. Harassment is an accusation brought by one against another. One cannot commit harassment against an entire group of several million people - lest you think PDP is guilty of several million counts of harassment against all Jews who may have seen his video?

By this definition, you could hold the WSJ - or any other media outlet who reprinted the screenshot - guilty of harassment too. I'm sure they'd claim they were trying to bring attention to PDP's behaviour and not seeking to offend, but PDP could make the same claim for himself, that he was trying to draw attention to FIVERRR's general scumminess and not offend Jews in general.

Good lord. Do you have an actual argument or are you just here to play semantics olympics?

 

[Nanashrew]

The WSJ article was a hit piece and reeked of Buzzfeed journalism. Comparing him to Nazis because he has an undercut and wears circular glasses? Get real. The guy says one joke in poor taste and suddenly gets dogpiled by people looking to score internet cred, of course he's gonna be defiant.

You might want to read the thread a bit about the glasses and fashion stuff.

The actual Vox headline was "The controversy over YouTube star PewDiePie and his anti-Semitic 'jokes,' explained." The part PewDiePie references in the video was Vox detailing how neo nazis and alt-righters have come to view PewDiePie, not about themselves saying he was a nazi for how he dresses.

again. vox didn't compare him to himmler. vox reported that neo-nazi sites were making comparisons of him to himmler. the only reason this adds fuel to pie's alt-right fire is because he's an idiot.

this is from vox

see the quotation marks? and the text preceding the quote directly attributing it to a neo-nazi website?

and here's the neo-nazi website

where you can see where the quote comes from

Pewdiepie absolutely destroyed WSJ and J.K Rowling, wow. Also lol at all the people in the thread not even willing to watch the video, just sad.

JK Rowling picture was a photoshop and not even real.

 

[Psycho_Mantis]

WSJ got roasted. Even I feel sorry for them now.