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Talk about double standards (Wall Street Journal vs. PewDiePie)

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Hoho for breakfast

Hoho for breakfast

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Nepenthe said:
Am I the only one who finds it weird when people say you can't "carelessly" throw around words and comparisons that paint someone as racist but seem to have no real problem with PDP carelessly using Nazi imagery? Hmm.
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I'm assuming I fall into this category to you. Despite what you think, I do have an issue with what pewdiepie did. It was at the very least monumentally stupid. It was an extremely anti Semitic "joke" and I'm glad Disney dropped him over it.

What I will not do is label who that man is based on one stupid action. And I will not equate him to Donald Trump because both have a dislike of the media.

And I won't just slap a label on him and go with it because for one, I don't believe it to actually be the case (though it's entirely possible I'm wrong) and also because it is normalizing some of these words that should absolutely not be normal imo.
 
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ChazGW7

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jtb said:
PDP has 50 million subscribers. "Oh WSJ didn't contact PDP first" is such disingenuous bullshit. The videos were online for the world to see and, guess what, plenty of people did.



What are you defending, then?

The inalienable right to call for the death of all jews?
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Have you read my posts? All I am saying is that PDP has every right to post a video defending himself further if he feels to and that does not make him a 'gigantic idiot' or unprofessional as some people are labeling him as. You may disagree, however that is just how I feel about it personally.

Too many times do I see people told to shut up and put your head down because 'its the right thing to do'. Fuck that, do what you want. If you go down in flames, so be it, at least you fought for who you are, whatever that may be.
 
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ChrisMahoney

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Iva Demilcol said:
by associating himself to alt-right members.



Yep. He has all our respect.
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He has mine. It'd take a lot more than referencing someone who I find offensive but still using their researched evidence to completely lose respect for them. Especially when I might not even realize what that person has done. I'm not going to scrap my whole video just because I later learned I don't agree with the reference's other opinions.


Makonero said:
you see this "we" business?

people have up and joined a fucking cult. doesn't matter what pdp does or says now, they'll defend him til they die.
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...I said 'we' as in me and that one other poster he was quoting. I wasn't the original poster.
 
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Nepenthe

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Hoho for breakfast said:
I'm assuming I fall into this category to you. Despite what you think, I do have an issue with what pewdiepie did. It was at the very least monumentally stupid. It was an extremely anti Semitic "joke" and I'm glad Disney dropped him over it.

What I will not do is label who that man is based on one stupid action. I will not equate him to Donald Trump because both have a dislike of the media.

And I won't do that because for one, I don't believe it to be the case, and also because it is normalizing some of these words that should absolutely not be normal imo.
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Haha. It wasn't one action. It was several.

Followed by an apology that was coupled with combativeness versus a call to action to make right with those he hurt. ("I've got 53 million subscribers and I'll be damned if I donate any of their sweet moolah to a Jewish organization.")

Followed by him throwing his lot in with Sargon of Akkad.

Yeah, PDP can go fuck himself.
 
Prithee Be Careful

Prithee Be Careful

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Fisty said:
He paid someone to hold a sign containing hate speech for entertainment and likes/clicks

I really don't know what else can be said. Are you just practicing for debate class or something?
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"He was vegetarian and a homeopath who funded expensive research into the deleterious health effects of smoking - which, later adopted as a nationwide health initiative, saved the lives of thousands."

I really don't know what else can be said? Oh, his name was Adolf Hitler, he killed countless millions and is widely regarded as one of history's most monstrous men.

See how statement out of context don't mean much? And clicks/likes? You got any receipts on that, because from what I'm sitting PDP's not really struggling for online engagement, you know being the most successful Youtuber on the planet and all (God knows why, his videos are dreadful).

You take the context out of what PDP did and yeah, it sound quite bad. That's what the WSJ did - it was dishonest and so are you.
 
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ArchedThunder

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ChrisMahoney said:
He has mine. It'd take a lot more than referencing someone who I find offensive but still using their researched evidence to completely lose respect for them. Especially when I might not even realize what that person has done. I'm not going to scrap my whole video just because I later learned I don't agree with the reference's other opinions.
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He's following him and other scum like him on Twitter now, it's clear Pewdiepie has no problem with him.
 
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ChrisMahoney

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jtb said:
PDP has 50 million subscribers. "Oh WSJ didn't contact PDP first" is such disingenuous bullshit. The videos were online for the world to see and, guess what, plenty of people did.



What are you defending, then?

The inalienable right to call for the death of all jews?
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PewDiePie has apologized and said he regrets doing that. It's everything else the media has lied about that people disagree with
 
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admiraltaftbar

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ChrisMahoney said:
He has mine. It'd take a lot more than referencing someone who I find offensive but still using their researched evidence to completely lose respect for them. Especially when I might not even realize what that person has done. I'm not going to scrap my whole video just because I later learned I don't agree with the reference's other opinions.
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I'm sure PDP could shoot someone in the street and you'd still be his fan. Hes literally playing pages out of the donald trump playbook.
 
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Chindogg

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Easy_D said:
Here's a buncha assholes exposing eachother as assholes to the outside world
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Pretty much, but we've become more and more tribalistic as a society as we've become more polarized.

Just like Milo and Maher getting exposed for saying practically the same thing. Everyone's garbage, some more than others. But we're willing to overlook the garbage things on our side more often than those on the other side.
 
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SlipperyFishes

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Nanashrew said:
Doesn't help that PDP is now following Sargon of Akkad on Twitter as well. He's also following Stillgray who works at Heatstreet. Heetstreet is fake news and a site dedicated in a fight against "SJWs".

Why does he follow stillgray now? Because he defended him once just recently.
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Because he's fallen into the trap where now Sargon can potentially weaponise the millions of followers that PDP has. He would love to have a million more sycophants.

And because they defend him he signal boosts their existence. They don't care about him at all, just his reach.
 
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bounchfx

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ChrisMahoney said:
PewDiePie has apologized and said he regrets doing that. It's everything else the media has lied about that people disagree with
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this thread is ridiculous. I don't know PDP and this video + the previous one are the only ones I saw, but it sure as hell looks like the media dropped the ball on this one. Even if he really does hate jews or whatever the perceived issue is, it was handled poorly from those that we trust to give us unbiased news. Shit's fucked from all ends but based on what I've seen PDP's actions are nowhere near as fucked as the media's were. I feel like they act on and believe their headline titles just as much as all of the readers do, or they simply don't care. both are bad. the world is weird as fuck right now with how much misinformation is thrown about. I'm sure it's always been this way but we should have better tools to fight it these days, and should have people to trust, but it's like... we're somehow even dumber
 
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Ninja Scooter

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Nepenthe said:
Am I the only one who finds it weird when people say you can't "carelessly" throw around words and comparisons that paint someone as racist but seem to have no real problem with PDP carelessly using Nazi imagery? Hmm.
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It's the bullshit "people being accused of being racists and anti-semites are bigger victims than the people being marginalized by the normalization of racism and anti-semitism" mentality.
 
Hoho for breakfast

Hoho for breakfast

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Nepenthe said:
Haha. It wasn't one action. It was several.

Followed by an apology that was coupled with combativeness versus a call to action to make right with those he hurt. ("I've got 53 million subscribers and I'll be damned if I donate any of their sweet moolah to a Jewish organization.")

Followed by him throwing his lot in with Sargon of Akkad.

Yeah, PDP can go fuck himself.
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The combativeness was over the medias reporting and distortion of the truth. Not about him fucking up and his actual anti Semitic "joke". He apologized for that.

I don't know what to think of the Sargon thing I don't honestly have a clue who he is. A you tuber that some here have said is alt right/racist or whatever.

But that's exactly what I mean by throwing out these labels...I have to now question if this Sargon guy is an actual bad human being or is he actually just "bad" like Pewdiepie (who I don't think is despite what so many here would want me to believe).

There lies the danger in throwing around these words.
 
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ta9qi

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Loved the video, The ending was hilarious
PDP made WSJ look like a joke in front of everybody.
i've following PDP for enough time to know how genuine this guy is.
 
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APF

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bounchfx said:
I don't know PDP and this video + the previous one are the only ones I saw, but it sure as hell looks like the media dropped the ball on this one.
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Did you actually read any of the primary sources outside of watching his videos?
 
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Ninja Scooter

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ChrisMahoney said:
Your thinking is:

Trump says bad thing of WSJ. PDP says bad thing of WSJ.
Trump = PDP
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That's simplifying it to a stupid degree. PDP is absolutely taking a page out of the Trump/AltRight playbook by using misleading and disingenous information to try and discredit media stories you don't like, because if the people that follow you don't trust the media it's easier to control them.
 
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Makonero

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ChrisMahoney said:
I didn't realize any conversation that dealt with ethics in journalism made me gamergate. I better let every dean of journalism schools know this
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Because WSJ didn't do anything unethical. This is about pdp taking Vox out of context and claiming victimhood status. It's ridiculous.
 
diablos991

diablos991

Can’t stump the diablos
Makonero said:
Because WSJ didn't do anything unethical. This is about pdp taking Vox out of context and claiming victimhood status. It's ridiculous.
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The WSJ taking a bunch of shit out of context and attempting to destroy somebody's livelihood without even asking them for comment is ethical now?
 
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APF

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Hoho for breakfast said:
I don't know what to think of the Sargon thing I don't honestly have a clue who he is. A you tuber that some here have said is alt right/racist or whatever.
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I usually use google or some other means of research when I'm not familiar with something, before I start discussing it.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sargon_of_Akkad


EDIT: please for the love of god can someone actually give me a direct quote demonstrating the WSJ not providing adequate context?
 
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tci

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After reading up and watching a few videos. This clearly was a witch hunt. Seems like everything here is made out of rash decisions. Especially from Disney and Youtube. Do major corporations not check up on sources and validate claims? Also clear that most media just jumped on it after WSJ made their story.

Media have insane power today. It reaches anyone. For that reason making statements like this should be validated and checked properly before any publication is made.

I can see that Felix may have made some distasteful jokes. But that is all it was. Time to crawl back to your safe place people. Calm down and take a look how todays society jumps at any opportunity to roast anyone.
 
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Nanashrew

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IaN_GAF said:
If following someone on Twitter means I have no problem with that person, I got a lot of politicians to unfollow...
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Sargon of Akkad is a GamerGater and alt-righter. If you're a person of color he believes your IQ to be lower than a white man. If you're a woman, he believes that you are the one oppressing yourself and will rail against you for your views because your a woman and he wants you out of your position whether it's the game industry or whatever. He'll harass you and sick his followers on you till you quit Twitter.

He's friends with Milo and defends his pedophilia comments.

It only gets worse http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sargon_Of_Akkad
 
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Makonero

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diablos991 said:
The WSJ taking a bunch of shit out of context and attempting to destroy somebody's livelihood without even asking them for comment is ethical now?
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They did reach out. And how the fuck does context matter when you pay someone to write Kill all Jews on fiverr? It's a pattern.
 
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admiraltaftbar

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ChrisMahoney said:
Your thinking is:

Trump says bad thing of WSJ. PDP says bad thing of WSJ.
Trump = PDP
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Nope your falling for the same hook line and sinker the die hard Trump supporters do. "The medias after me because I'm so rich and famous", "the media is running a smear campaign against me", "let's bring it up after burying the hatchet because I'm still so right", and finally I'm going to list something good said about me from an unseemly character. I full expect the whole "I don't know David Duke at all" about the whole Sargon thing. I don't side with the reporter from WSJ but PDP's actions are just as shitty at this point and the fact that all his fans are jumping to defend him so vehemently is silly. He looks pretty as all get out in this video.
 
diablos991

diablos991

Can’t stump the diablos
tci said:
After reading up and watching a few videos. This clearly was a witch hunt. Seems like everything here is made out of rash decisions. Especially from Disney and Youtube. Do major corporations not check up on sources and validate claims? Also clear that most media just jumped on it after WSJ made their story.

Media have insane power today. It reaches anyone. For that reason making statements like this should be validated and checked properly before any publication is made.

I can see that Felix may have made some distasteful jokes. But that is all it was. Time to crawl back to your safe place people. Calm down and take a look how todays society jumps at any opportunity to roast anyone.
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Major corporations know how these smear campaigns work. They knew the WSJ would be publishing and needed to act quickly. The risk of siding with PDP if the claims were true have worse ramifications than dropping PDP if the claims were false.

They likely didn't want to be involved in the inevitable mudslinging that would come when PDP fought back.
 
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Uthred

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Corronchilejano said:
Someone's trying to (hipocriticaly) ruin your life and reputation and you're saying you just take the L and move on?
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The hypocrisy is immaterial, being accurately accused of something you've done by a hypocrite doesnt magically mean you aren't responsible for what you've done. To use a ludicrous analogy, if you've murdered someone it doesnt matter if its a murderer pointing that out. Sure it might make the hypocrite look bad, but thats it.
 
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Breads

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ScientificPizza said:
if only we had accepted and nurtured his hate speech we could have saved him :(
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Speaking of nurturing him... lets rewind to 2012.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQncg-q9c7I

And his response. Which I know is not a photoshop because A: I saw the comment myself (I am a long time subscriber to Retsuprae) and B: he made an apology video later.

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ChrisMahoney

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ScientificPizza said:
It's either that or the countless people that have come out to defend his anti-semitic jokes as tho it's nbd
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Yes, many jokes taken out of context by the WSJ were actually nbd when you watch the videos. For example: PewDiePie said that the media loves taking clips out of context. The next clip was him dressed up in a military uniform watching a Hitler speech. The whole point of the joke was the media loves taking things out of context.

Also the WSJ literally took a clip of PDP raising his hand and implied he was doing a nazi salute.

Yes, I will defend these jokes, and I accept PewDiePie's apology on the one joke that was actually anti-Semitic that he regrets doing.
 
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Carcetti

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Hoho for breakfast said:
I don't know what to think of the Sargon thing I don't honestly have a clue who he is. A you tuber that some here have said is alt right/racist or whatever.

But that's exactly what I mean by throwing out these labels...I have to now question if this Sargon guy is an actual bad human being or is he actually just "bad" like Pewdiepie (who I don't think is despite what so many here would want me to believe).
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Just asking questions, huh. Wonder where I've heard that one before....

Maybe the lesson is that people shouldn't then have strong opinions about things they don't know anything about.

I dread the future where people get their information from tuber pundits.
 
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Nanashrew

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I felt this lawyer laid it out quite well.

http://www.polygon.com/2017/2/20/14675914/freedom-of-speech-censorship-pewdiepie


The context for his “joke,” and whether mainstream media took it out of context, never really had anything to do with it. It’s reasonable for companies like Disney and Google to consider mainstream media as the litmus test for what is considered offensive; their respective brands cater to a far broader demographic than PewDiePie’s followers, after all.

Welcome to the wonderful world of entertainment, Felix. You’ve joined an elite club of performers, comedians and artists who crossed the line. No one is entitled to a platform, and your platform is a privilege that you will lose if you breach the terms under which that platform operates. In all likelihood you broke your contract. You even explained how you broke that contract in a video. It’s irrational to conclude that a third party is responsible for the failure of your contract.
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It's a very well written article that discusses contracts, free speech, and platforms. The lawyer is an entertainment lawyer and has has worked with a lot of entertainers and companies.
 
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Road of Ease

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His followers are currently harassing JK Rowling on Twitter with doctored pictures of her in a nazi uniform. Formidable group of people, these "rookie comedians"...
 
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Coffinhal

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Makonero said:
They did reach out. And how the fuck does context matter when you pay someone to write Kill all Jews on fiverr? It's a pattern.
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If true it breaks down the defence of The Associates Society Who Very Much Life The Genuine Mr.PDP (i.e. fanboys who lost their critical thinking in the cash desposit of our friend)

Road of Ease said:
His followers are currently harassing JK Rowling on Twitter with doctored pictures of her in a nazi uniform. Formidable group of people, these "rookie comedians"...
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I hope they'll go face their shit in front of a judge. It happened recently in France and these trolls were all "but don't forget the context!!!" and apologized so they wouldn't take 1 year of prison after harassing and calling murders on twitter. Fucking idiots. It's sad to see people here supporting this general trend, even without the violent actions, it's the same root.
 
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ChrisMahoney

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Makonero said:
They did reach out. And how the fuck does context matter when you pay someone to write Kill all Jews on fiverr? It's a pattern.
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They reached out after the article was published.

IT'S NOT A PATTERN. PewDiePie apologized and regrets doing that joke. Everything else was unethical. The WSJ literally took a clip of PDP raising his arm up and implied he was doing a nazi salute. WSJ took other jokes completely out of context where the context DID matter.
 
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Ghandi

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Spyder_Monkey said:
Also seriously CGP Grey?
https://twitter.com/cgpgrey/status/835195521941794816
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VDenter said:
Yeah because what he says here is 100% true.

https://twitter.com/cgpgrey/status/835202459215806465
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Quoting for visibility. CGP Grey is life.
Also

Holy fuck at everything.
Holy fuck.
We are apes, and we are not fit for this day and age. Also everybody should watch cgp greys video about angriness. We are basically fucked by default..

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ChrisMahoney said:
They reached out after the article was published.

IT'S NOT A PATTERN. PewDiePie apologized and regrets doing that joke. Everything else was unethical. The WSJ literally took a clip of PDP raising his arm up and implied he was doing a nazi salute. WSJ took other jokes completely out of context where the context DID matter.
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Thanks, thank you. Oh fuck a small glimmer of hope.

Everything is terrible lol
I read to much about this
 
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APF

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Road of Ease said:
His followers are currently harassing JK Rowling on Twitter with doctored pictures of her in a nazi uniform. Formidable group of people, these "rookie comedians"...
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But that's ok because she "read something on the internet" therefore anything you do to try and smear her is fine and says nothing about you.
 
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