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Trump introduces his plan for a Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement-Agency

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Oersted

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Here is the plan in detail

Criminal aliens routinely victimize Americans and other legal residents. Often, these victims are not provided adequate information about the offender, the offender's immigration status, or any enforcement action taken by ICE against the offender. Efforts by ICE to engage these victims have been hampered by prior Department of Homeland Security (DHS) policy extending certain Privacy Act protections to persons other than U.S. citizens and lawful permanent residents, leaving victims feeling marginalized and without a voice. Accordingly, I am establishing the Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement (VOICE) Office within the Office of the Director of ICE, which will create a programmatic liaison between ICE and the known victims of crimes committed by removable aliens. The liaison will facilitate engagement with the victims and their families to ensure, to the extent permitted by law, that they are provided information about the offender, including the offender's immigration status and custody status, and that their questions and concerns regarding immigration enforcement efforts are addressed.”

The memo also reallocates “any and all resources” currently used to advocate for illegal aliens and terminates “outreach and advocacy services” provided to them:

“To that end, I direct the Director of ICE to immediately reallocate any and all resources that are currently used to advocate on behalf of illegal aliens (except as necessary to comply with a judicial order) to the new VOICE Office, and to immediately terminate the provision of such outreach or advocacy services to illegal aliens.”


President Donald Trump called on the Department of Homeland Security to "create an office to serve American victims" of crimes committed by immigrants.

In his address to a joint session of Congress on Tuesday night, Trump said the office will be called Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement (VOICE).

"We are providing a voice to those who have been ignored by our media, and silenced by special interests," Trump said.

This office, Trump said, would support the "victims of crime."

Trump has repeatedly made claims related to crime committed by immigrants and used that rhetoric as a pretext for his restrictive immigration policies.

Though Trump said the new office will target criminal actors, he did not produce any evidence that immigrants commit a disproportionate amount of crime in the United States.

The U.S. violent crime rate has plunged dramatically since about 1990.

While Trump cites specific instances of violence committed by immigrants, many studies have found that, in general, immigrants are actually less likely to commit violent crimes.

Via

http://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/28/trum...gency-for-victims-of-crime-by-immigrants.html

Bonus, a Reason.com blog entry. Because they are right (in this case)

The entire speech laid out without apology his vision of a country built around what Steve Bannon calls "economic nationalism"; it's all about building trade barriers, physical walls, and cultural moats between the United States and the rest of the world. How many men will die that Trump is made great? That remains to be seen, but his "historic" increase in defense spending and his oft-repeated commitment to destroying ISIS suggests that he won't be a non-interventionist when it comes to foreign policy.

The most memorable moment in his speech to me came when, after demonizing immigrants (especially illegal ones), he announced his plan for what he called VOICE:

I have ordered the Department of Homeland Security to create an office to serve American Victims. The office is called Voice — Victims of Immigration Crime Engagement. We are providing a voice to those who have been ignored by our media and silenced by special interests.

There are so many mendacious falsehoods embedded in this it is hard to know where to start. Trump lives in an apocalyptic America, where the streets run red with the blood of the innocent. You'd hardly know from listening to him that crime rates—for violent crime and property crime—remain historically low (even after recent upticks). In addition to the non-crime wave is the fact that immigrants are less likely than native-born Americans to commit crimes. As a recent study (written up at Reason by Ronald Bailey) puts it:

...immigrants are less likely to commit serious crimes or be behind bars than the native-born, and high rates of immigration are associated with lower rates of violent crime and property crime.

People who move to America for work or to find freedom aren't in any way a problem. They pay taxes, do jobs Americans won't do, and are barred from virtually all forms of means-tested transfer payments (this is especially true of illegal immigrants); the only tax-financed stuff they get is K-12 education for their kids (who are often citizens) and emergency medical care. Those are costs and should be dealt with. But low-skilled immigrants don't displace native workers to a significant degree or lower their wages, either. More important, they exemplify the spirit of a country that likes to call itself a Shining City on a Hill, a beacon of hope, opportunity, and promise for all the world to see. This is the reason why 80 percent of Americans, including a majority of Trump supporters, want to give even illegals a path to citizenship.

Scapegoating immigrants via new federal agencies, crackdowns at checkpoints, and halving the number allowed in is not simply at odds with how most of us feel, it's rooted in a wilful denial of basic facts about crime, unemployment, and other issues. That's no way to usher in a "new chapter of American greatness."

More here

https://reason.com/blog/2017/02/28/silence-this-voice-before-it-speaks-dona

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tbm24

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He's been vilifying immigrants from day 1. No surprise he's looking to ramp it up to 10 as President. Just bullshit justifications for his racist policies.
 

besada

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This will be the agency that publicizes every immigrant crime, adding to the media's distortion field that immigrants commit more crime. It's an agency designed to ensure you never forget how dangerous immigrants are.

Disgusting.
 

sc0la

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Is there going to be another group to report about white people who shoot imagrants while shouting "go back to your country"?
No?

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or do they just get a cookie instead?
 

richiek

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Steel

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I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. He had an ad running in the campaign with a woman who lost her son to illegal immigrants making a plea with the American voter to keep it from happening again by kicking the illegals out.

But this is still shitty.
 

Caja 117

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So what happens when the country learms from this that illegal imigrant crimes arent as widespread as most racist think? Will donald trump call fake news from this unit he created? Or this unit will just exagerate numbers?
 
Thanks for the thread, would have made it myself if I weren't a junior. This shit need attention.

This seems to be another move of Trump that is directly copied from the Nazis. It's a move that puts us one step closer to camps.

Hitler had Jewish crimes published so hate against them would fester even more, and used the SS to enforce his racial policies.

This is not to be underestimated. It's dangerous and scary as fuck.

It needs to be protested heavily, with protests with sole focus on this.

Shit is disgusting.
 

F0rneus

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This is getting downright dangerous. This will just create this bullshit-o-vision in which immigrants are committing tons of crime when it'll be utter fucking lies. And you know the base is going to lap this shit up and ask for more.

Downright evil. Jesus.
 

Eggiem

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USSS would be a better name.
Edit: Ah, didn't know that there is already a USSS (US Secret Service.) Sorry.
 

Steel

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This is getting downright dangerous. This will just create this bullshit-o-vision in which immigrants are committing tons of crime when it'll be utter fucking lies. And you know the base is going to lap this shit up and ask for more.

Downright evil. Jesus.

He'll probably use the organization to bring forward a new victim for every speech he gives in order to give himself cover for his anti-immigrant bullshit.
 
So what happens when the country learms from this that illegal imigrant crimes arent as widespread as most racist think? Will donald trump call fake news from this unit he created? Or this unit will just exagerate numbers?

Hell stop talking about like when they kept asking him about the voter fraud and he proclaimed that he was creating a task force to look into it and now 6you never hear he mention it again.
 

sc0la

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So what happens when the country learms from this that illegal imigrant crimes arent as widespread as most racist think? Will donald trump call fake news from this unit he created? Or this unit will just exagerate numbers?
No need to exaggerate them. The presence of an "agency" compiling and reporting every instance will make it appear more prevelant and widespread without changing a number. Especially if it's not given any context like the rate immigrants commit a type of crime vs non images to populations (hint: they are usually lower)
 

Steel

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Hell stop talking about like when they kept asking him about the voter fraud and he proclaimed that he was creating a task force to look into it and now 6you never hear he mention it again.

He doesn't have to talk about the numbers. He'll just has to trot out one victim for every speech to tell their story and mourn the victim. That's it. That'll be enough to ramp up anti-immigrant sentiment in the absence of facts.
 
We need someone to tally the crimes that citizens are doing quarterly to contest their data. So that they can't create a reality distortion field. We can make it a parody site.
 

The Kree

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This will be the agency that publicizes every immigrant crime, adding to the media's distortion field that immigrants commit more crime. It's an agency designed to ensure you never forget how dangerous immigrants are.

Disgusting.

It'll also be the agency that reminds us how beneath us it is to do the jobs they'll inevitably leave vacant.
 

FTF

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Just read the transcript, this was the most cringe inducing part. Complete bullshit. Trump is pandering to his gullible and easily influenced base/supports again, and will not do even a small percentage of the bullshit he said in that speech. He'll keep the wool pulled over their eyes for years until he's gone, fleeced them and they'll be none the wise.
 

mjp2417

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So what happens when the country learms from this that illegal imigrant crimes arent as widespread as most racist think? Will donald trump call fake news from this unit he created? Or this unit will just exagerate numbers?

They won't. Broadcast media does optics, not data, and reputable print media isn't reaching the middle of the country.
 
Basically Bannon's "Black Crime" BB tag given national prominence and a catchy name.

Awesome, can't wait for national stop and frisk for having just a shade too much melanin in my skin.
 

Adaren

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I hope to hell that the media ensures that he doesn't get away with this. Don't let this become normal. Don't let this become institutionalized into America.
 

Ether_Snake

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Do people not understand that this isn't about illegal immigrants? It's about immigrants period.
 
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