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Trump Plan To Defund U.S. Arts Endowments Could Impact Video Game Programs
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iRAWRasaurus
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Haha
Greatest Ever
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Dude's gonna fuck around with dogs and video games for no reason. Jesus Christ, let it go asshole.
whyamihere
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*checks on r/t_d*
How About No
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=232198210
But I'll take this as another opportunity to say fuck you Trump fuckyoufuckyoufuckyou
But I'll take this as another opportunity to say fuck you Trump fuckyoufuckyoufuckyou
Muffin1611
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Those 4chan idiots probably still don't even realize.
Edit: I'll be eternally thankful if anyone shows me a reaction of some alt-right poster losing their shit only NOW because of this.
Edit: I'll be eternally thankful if anyone shows me a reaction of some alt-right poster losing their shit only NOW because of this.
The other shit his fascist cabinet is doing is also impacting video games (not that it should matter more the other things) - Muslim ban, meals on wheels, healthcare, surveillance, shitty education, racism, police brutality, prison complex, etc.
The games industry is part of society and it'll be affected on many fronts.
The games industry is part of society and it'll be affected on many fronts.
Have you even read what this is about ?
MetroidPrimeRib
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You're all going to be disappointed. GGers will spin this as good for less funding for SJW indie game walking simulators
Alex_Mexico
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I'll third this. I really wanna see this too!
WascallyWabbit
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damn, i come to gaming side to take a break from all the BS this administration is throwing at us
You just can't escape it apparently
You just can't escape it apparently
RichiRamjag
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Amen to that brother(or sister).
Politics is living.
4chan ain't gonna give a shit about 2 million in grants for video game programs in higher education.
HP_Wuvcraft
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They'll see this as the ultimate victory for gamergate, that they finally won the long, hard war against SJWs.
psychowave
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Mmmhm. Bigots won't stop supporting their Great Leader no matter what.
DigitalScrap
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Oh, it definitely won't do anything to the debt - this idiot has proposed the $54B in cuts from this, while proposing $54B more funding into military/defense. So he is just moving the money from these programs into more wasteful defense spending that we don't need.
djitalianice
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I don't disagree. Gov't has no business funding arts. That people are making a big deal about this and trying to extend it to video games is nonsense. Just more manufactured outrage by petulant children.
shark sandwich
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Especially video games. I am no Trump fan, but does anybody seriously think that our tax money should be spent on developing video games?
Stealthcobra
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Smh this guy here...
snowsabre93
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Unreal.. screw this fascist pig and all his bigoted followers stand for. The national endowment for humanities is $148 million annually or .012 percent of the federal budget.. .012%!
Meanwhile this ridiculous wall which American tax payers will pay for will reach costs up to $25,000,000,000.
Meanwhile this ridiculous wall which American tax payers will pay for will reach costs up to $25,000,000,000.
Chaos2Frozen
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Whatever the US president does will eventually affect everyone across the world. It's just a matter of how big or small it will be
Poltergust
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We're supposed to develop talent so that they can improve society and the economy in the future. Defunding this stuff will stunt creativity by not giving as many people an opportunity to get the education they want.
Video games are no different from any other contribution to society.
I guess the private market handles it all huh? I bet you've never relied on grant money from the NEA to continue playing music in a high school setting.
potatohead
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Fuck the alt right. Fuck them all ways. Fuck. Assholes.
Thing is all the fucking Trump voters from outside of cities are gonna get fucked all ways and sideways when they figure out they lose so many tax breaks and cost of healthcare goes up. Families gonna lose 1000 to 5000 bucks each, and those are the same people who voted for Trump.
People are fucking stupid. Trump is the every man though! LOL!
Thing is all the fucking Trump voters from outside of cities are gonna get fucked all ways and sideways when they figure out they lose so many tax breaks and cost of healthcare goes up. Families gonna lose 1000 to 5000 bucks each, and those are the same people who voted for Trump.
People are fucking stupid. Trump is the every man though! LOL!
How About No
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Yep just fuck these fuck PBS fuck public radio fuck everything
LETS BUILD THAT WALL BUILD THOSE NUKES
MAGAMGMAMGMAMGMAGMMAMGMAGMGAGAG
djitalianice
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Games should be privately funded by private industries that make entertainment based on market demands. The government should not be involved. Can anyone explain why tax dollars should go to funding video games?
And which videogames do they fund, hmm? Mario? Sonic? Zelda? What happens you tax dollars go towards games that you don't like? You really want lobbyists being involved in fighting for more $$ for Mario, while someone is fighting to give the money to Crash Bandicoot instead?
This argument makes sense and is just a symptom of the "me me me" and "gimme gimme (free)" culture/mindset of today's generation.
And which videogames do they fund, hmm? Mario? Sonic? Zelda? What happens you tax dollars go towards games that you don't like? You really want lobbyists being involved in fighting for more $$ for Mario, while someone is fighting to give the money to Crash Bandicoot instead?
This argument makes sense and is just a symptom of the "me me me" and "gimme gimme (free)" culture/mindset of today's generation.
It's probably more like giving grant money to start ups creating something "artful" or helping fund seminars for inner-city kids wanting to break out but go on and keep up with these false equivalencies.
Multi-billion dollar entertainment companies are going to get their tax loopholes elsewhere with Trump-- don't you worry.
Poltergust
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The heck? The government is not funding any particular game; it is instead funding people getting an education so that they can get primed to work in the industry.
Have you never heard of scholarships or grants or something?
You know the plethora of amazing games we have today? Many of those would not have been created or would have been drastically different if some people were not able to get the education they desired.
How About No
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Yeah but what have those inner city kids done for us fucking NOTHING why should we give them a cent
Old people don't need nothing either let's just stop fucking feeding them
I was lucky enough for most of my vocational education to be paid for in grants and I'm fucking grateful for it, so this shit pisses me off
Bubbavelli
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Damn bro you really nailed it. You really read into the topic at hand and delivered a concise, well-thought answer
djitalianice
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Apparently they do, but no one has figured out yet which consoles, game series, famous mascots/characters and overall COMPANIES this supposed $$ will go to.
Look how many people responded to my comment accusing me of voting for Trump. How does anyone even know how or if I voted? All I said was I don't disagree, and instead got dogpiled on by social justice warriors.
For the record, I am AGAINST any type of welfare, especially CORPORATE welfare, which is a HUGE massive drain on US taxpayers. Oh and fuck the military industrial complex, too. Single greatest source of spending, all funded by US taxpayers - to be the world police.
US funds the majority of NATO. The amount of $$ and people that we contribute exceeds our population and GDP ratio. Yet, we are the lion's share of resources for NATO.
We have enough problems funding all the wrong projects and causes, we don't need to be fighting over whether Donkey Kong or Knuckles the Echida gets the $735M of funding this year.
thats definitely not how it works. do you seriously believe there are currently crash bandicoot lobbyists? and that the government is funding the creation of games like zelda? right now, you really believe that?
Yes?
Here in Australia we had a $10 million federal game development fund under our old left wing government, the projects and studios that received funding underwent rigorous evaluations before approval.
Those groups of people/studios/whatever, which includes mine, have gone on to produce work that created many high paying and permanent jobs, Australian owned IP, and export profits of probably 20-100x whatever pittance was given by the government which also generates huge taxes for that government.
In addition we created art and products that benefit our society, so even if there wasn't a strong financial incentive there would already be a cultural incentive because society is more than just numbers on a page.
I swear people never think through their "We shouldn't spend our taxes on X" statements.
In the case of the stuff listed in the OP it seems to mostly be talking about investment in future creators through education and other means, which is also incredibly important. One interesting way to think about it is this, if you had the ability to travel back in time to the early days of movies and invest tax dollars in to your country's industry would you do it? There's no denying how important Hollywood is to the world today in terms of money/jobs/cultural domination, Americans should hope that in 30-40 years they repeat that with video games.
Probably the dumbest thing I've read about games, taxes, and "today's generation" in a long time. Grossly inaccurate and basically shows you have no idea how the world works.
joecanada
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Tax dollars go to entertainment all the time and for good reason. Do you know the tax breaks Hollywood gets on basically everything? Video games are the same when a big studio sets up shop in a place like ea in Vancouver. If you can't figure out why that is then you definitely are posting in the wrong thread
But hey it's the typical only seeing one foot in front of you conservative way . Hey let's cut health care .... Hey did you know those sick people will cost you millions later on? Oh well let next generation pay for it . Environment? Let next generation pay. As long as we can get 100 bucks off our tax now . Lol
How About No
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gee I wonder
See we can somewhat agree on funding the military. Stop increasing the defense budget and the fucking wall and this shit is pennies in comparison
whyamihere
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djitalianice
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That's really stretching it. Instead of running around screaming chicken little, why doesn't someone please provide some direct proof that this will affect our "quality of gaming" life standards? Instead of speculating about this first world problem?
In terms of scholarships and grants, government subsiding education is the single largest factor of tuition increases. College charge more because they want to maximize their about of research programs - which already get funded directly anyway by the government - but now they just want to suck as much $$ from college students as they possibly can. So colleges can charge the max amount and apply hundreds of thousands in debt to students before they even land their first full-time job. Student loan debt is killing this country and government trying to fix it is making it worse.
Even when the government loans money, they're making piss poor investments. Anyone with any degree in mind can qualify for student loans, but if someone chooses poorly and gets a degree in gender studies but is now stuck working at Starbucks and defaulting on their loans - well, the tax payers have to eat that cost. If the government is lending money (which they constitutionality have not right to do in the first place), they should do what banks do - and ensure that their investments will yield a successful professional/business, that will lead to the student/borrower paying back their loan. Most gender studies people will never pay back their loans, and if they do, it's because they lucked out and got a job teaching gender studies themselves.
College needs to go back to the way it was before - when you could still pay for it with a part time job, as you go along. It should empower students, not entrap them in debt-slavery for the first 1/3, 1/2, or entire life. Basically go back to before government was involved and the costs skyrocketed. If we can get the costs down to minimum, then it would be prudent to start talking about free college (for those that have the grades and intellect to qualify).
Hey man, it's expensive to build a wall that symbolizes bigotry and racism and will be a monument of national embarrassment for the rest of human history.
Poltergust
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Precisely 0 people have accused you of that.
SolicitorPirate
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I genuinely can't tell if you're exaggerating for effect or if you literally believe the US federal government is partially funding the creation of Japanese games.
Ten bucks says djitalianice's ranting about selfishness and people wanting things will give way to an admission that poor people deserve to die in the streets from hunger and preventable illnesses because they couldn't bootstrap hard enough.
Games are art and art often gets public funding.
Games are art and art often gets public funding.
djitalianice
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Hollywood should get zero funding. This is the major problem. Everyone wants free money. Free stuff. "If Hollywood is getting theirs, I should get mine". False, you pay for your own projects by getting loans - that you have to pay back when you succeed.
Video games have been around long before people talked about public funding for them and they'll survive pretty much forever considering how lucrative they are.
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