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JonTron Releases a Statement

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Michael F. Assbender

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Wallach said:
lol, I found this guy in the comments there:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=91iEIhp9U_I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odjAsVdwb5E

youtube culture in a nutshell
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That was fucking hilarious. Thank you.

Messofanego said:
Folding Ideas
Hbomberguy
Giantbomb
Brysen (the funniest commentary/gaming channel)
Danny O'Dwyer
Innuendo Studios
Shaun and Jen
Noah Caldwell-Gervais
ProJared
Geek Remix
Kathleenmms
Continue?
Errant Signal
Jacksepticeye
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Thanks! I need to throw support behind these folks for not being shitheads.
 
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Bobby Roberts

Banned
ForsakenLotus said:
But it's not just a case of more of a certain minority speaking up about inequalities, it's about how a person seemingly can't just make a bad joke or have an uniformed opinion without an internet mob labeling that person and attacking them and potentially ruining their careers. What good does that really do, and what does that say about the people who are so morally judgmental and unforgiving?
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I feel its more that people feel discomfort at not being able to freely just jump into any topic and say whatever they think, sans pushback or repercussion for their lack of education or concern for anyone else's thoughts/views other than the ones they've arrived at on their own—typically with the bare minimum of research or knowledge.

For example: You literally don't know what Jon said. In a thread about Jon saying something—something that was, itself, a response to a thing Jon said before. Yet your need to share something with the rest of us despite that ignorance, and your unwillingness to actually know what you're talking about before you continue trying to talk to us, has you on the back foot in this conversation.

So your solution to this shaky-as-fuck position you're holding is... to double down and suggest its external forces that are the real problem here, and the things people should seriously be focusing on, as opposed to say, focusing on learning about the subject at hand with an open mind and a willingness not only to learn, but to change your point of view in response to what you did learn.

If you knew what Jon had said, and how he'd said it, this position would sound real familiar to you right about now. And it wouldn't be the most positive of echoes you found yourself in.

People don't wanna read. They don't wanna hear. They wanna know just enough for them to know they're probably in the right, and at that point, they're okay with letting confirmation bias do the rest.
 
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Jumeira

Banned
border said:
"It's hypocritical for those who see everything in terms of race to suddenly turn around and object when white people speak up for what they believe are the best interests of their race."

This is probably not going to help him.
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Fucking piece of racist shit, fuck him and everything he stands for. Cunt. Don't see people as different set of race's it's very simple you Nazi shitstain
 
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joe2187

Banned
ForsakenLotus said:
I'm speaking about the discussions that arise from these controversies, not specifically about JonTron and his statements. If this thread is supposed to be an echo chamber of fuck this guy then I'll definitely see my way out.

And just to be clear, I am not defending anything JonTron said or believes.
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Why are you so outraged about people being outraged and not understanding why their outrage has legitamacy and not actually learning about the topic that people are even outraged about, and only want to discuss how people with actual grievences are being whiny instead of silent?
 
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Fahzgoolin

Banned
Titanoboa said:
Honestly, don't think you learned enough from it. Your family sounds like a bunch of ignorant racists too. Unless you're just struggling to properly convey your thoughts again, like our boy JT allegedly was during that debate.
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Well, I'm just gonna learn that I think you are an extremely aggressive and unfair person to have proper discourse with. My family isn't racist and since you wanna just automatically go that route with your response, I'll just not continue talking with you.

guybrushfreeman said:
All his racial stat observations were 100% made up. The idea that people don't want to discuss real statistics is ridiculous. How do you think people show evidence of things like voter suppression and purposeful gerrymandering if not using statistics? Jon is annoyed people don't believe his lies (100% easily proven lies) not that people genuinely ignore statistics
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Well that sucks =/ I'm coming from the perspective of seeing stats my entire life regarding, say, crime and how that data is used so poorly from both angles of the argument. It often seems hypocritical.

If he is just flat out making stuff up, then yeesh. Sorry

excelsiorlef said:
You're literally going to bat for a guy who think black people literally have a crime gene bro.
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Not trying to defend jon--honestly. Was just observations from my walk of life and this conversation seemed like an apt place to mention it.


Nanashrew said:
If anyone needs to know everything JonTron has said, they can revisit this thread and read the OP and all of the pictures and summaries. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1352025

Ignorance is no excuse.
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Thanks for this. Will read.
 
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Crimson_Echidna

Banned
ScientificPizza said:
You preface this by saying a lot of people, including yourself, are ignorant about a lot of things, follow that up by saying you don't have a full grasp on everything that Jon said, and then point fingers at people by saying this is a liberal witch hunt
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It's funny how it always follows the same cycle in threads like these.

"Hey fellow Gaffers, I'm totally don't know too much about what's going on in this topic and why people are angry, and to prove it, here's this long winded personal anecdote just to prove how not in-the-know and neutral that I am. Now, even though I definitely don't know what's going on and therefore have no horse in this race, I just want you all to know that you are totally overreacting/in the wrong. Again, I really don't know much about what's going on, but I feel like I really needed to dish out 2-cents here."
 
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guybrushfreeman

Unconfirmed Member
Fahzgoolin said:
Well, I'm just gonna learn that I think you are an extremely aggressive and unfair person to have proper discourse with. My family isn't racist and since you wanna just automatically go that route with your response, I'll just not continue talking with you.



Well that sucks =/ I'm coming from the perspective of seeing stats my entire life regarding, say, crime and how that data is used so poorly from both angles of the argument. It often seems hypocritical.

If he is just flat out making stuff up, then yeesh. Sorry



Not trying to defend jon--honestly. Was just observations from my walk of life and this conversation seemed like an apt place to mention it.
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Well statistics are public information and used to inform public policy. If you're interested in specifics I would recommend looking them up. The idea that there are stats being ignored doesn’t make any sense. They are collected to inform public policy decisions and applied constantly. Statistics are a core foundation of showing, explaining and dealing with the core inequality issues we face. It’s not genuine to suggest they’re being ignored when they are collected in the first place to be used
 
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Hesh

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Did he actually use that language in the video, though? I wasn't aware that sort of language was allowed on GAF, even if directly quoted.
 
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CrankyKong

Member
Boogie2988's "can't we all just get along" bullshit is so tiring.
He's trying to moderate a debate where one side is literally flirting with white supremacy.

The guy won't even take a stand on that.
 
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excelsiorlef

Member
Fahzgoolin said:
Not trying to defend jon--honestly. Was just observations from my walk of life and this conversation seemed like an apt place to mention it.
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Why? This thread is about a man who has literally exposed himself to be a white supremacist, you know a genuine racist... why would your claim that there is very little genuine racism be apt for this thread?
 
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Messofanego

Banned
CrankyKong said:
Boogie2988's "can't we all just get along" bullshit is so tiring.
He's trying to moderate a debate where one side is literally flirting with white supremacy.

The guy won't even take a stand on that.
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Boogie2988 the kind of moderate who stands for nothing but means well that is perfect to deploy to defend your heinous Youtuber friends. See also: Philip Defranco.
 
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Aaron Strife

Banned
PeterGAF said:
That's a fair generalization to make
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If the shoe fits

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joe2187

Banned
Oh god , i've been listening to the Destiny stream debate and I've gotten to the point where the daily stormer guy starts talking about how his white ancestors invented the wheel, and basic arhchitecture and how their fair white skin fucking developed photosynthesis to face the harsh conditions of the winter. And that their intense struggle for survival is what makes the white people superior to the black ancestors who lived in an african paradise filled with plentiful food at just the chuck of spear and gold and diamonds they were too dumb to exploit.
 
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Chie Satonaka

Member
CrankyKong said:
Boogie2988's "can't we all just get along" bullshit is so tiring.
He's trying to moderate a debate where one side is literally flirting with white supremacy.

The guy won't even take a stand on that.
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Because it doesn't impact him.

By refusing to engage with it, he's enabling it, which is why racism continues to fester in our society.

Ultimately, Boogie and people like him really just don't care that much. People like that are even more upsetting than people like JonTron, because at least with Jon, you know where you stand.
 
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JetsonIsAJet

Neo Member
Sometimes I wonder what goes through the minds of these YouTube personalities when they do stuff like this. Like, did he just wake up that day and think "man, I know I made my life on making harmless video game joke videos, but I think today is a good day to finally dig into non whites diluting the gene pool, and white oppression. May as well make up some statistics while I'm at it."
 
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excelsiorlef

Member
joe2187 said:
Oh god , i've been listening to the Destiny stream debate and I've gotten to the point where the daily stormer guy starts talking about how his white ancestors invented the wheel, and basic arhchitecture and how their fair white skin fucking developed photosynthesis to face the harsh conditions of the winter. And that their intense struggle for survival is what makes the white people superior to the black ancestors who lived in an african paradise filled with plentiful food at just the chuck of spear and gold and diamonds they were too dumb to exploit.
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photosynthesis?! :|
 
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Slayven

Member
Fahzgoolin said:
I realize this is probably a result of ignorance and/or inexperience, but the whole racism in culture debate feels super shallow from my end.

Genuine calculated racism seems to rarely make an appearance, but only pointed out due to Internet access. It almost feels like a self induced issue, where most people aren't racist, but racial misunderstanding and general disrespect for your fellow neighbor seems to be categorized as racism if the parties involved are of a different race.

My father works for a big name company and they frequently celebrate only people of color and has strange meetings where they separate races into groups when seating them to try to point out "disguised social racism." It feels like a cyclical problem by the nature of calling each other equal, but drawing attention to race in the first place. For many, it raises eyebrows and feels forced. In media and in the work place, diversity seems naturally present because we are all Americans, but suddenly we have people in droves claiming the opposite is true.

I say this from a personal perspective of not witnessing much genuine racism, but more of seeing the opposite. I can't be personally aware of all issues present in the culture, but Jon's response seemed at least fair in the message he was trying to say. I didn't follow much of his statements in the past weeks, so there's that too.
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The hoops in this post. There was just several court cases where police and government institutions were deemed to be acting racist. There is numerous studies showing racist hiring practices in many industries. The evidence is out there, if you don't see or ignore it, then say racism doesn't exist. Then maybe you shouldn't be speaking on the subject.
 
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Wallach

Member
joe2187 said:
Oh god , i've been listening to the Destiny stream debate and I've gotten to the point where the daily stormer guy starts talking about how his white ancestors invented the wheel, and basic arhchitecture and how their fair white skin fucking developed photosynthesis to face the harsh conditions of the winter. And that their intense struggle for survival is what makes the white people superior to the black ancestors who lived in an african paradise filled with plentiful food at just the chuck of spear and gold and diamonds they were too dumb to exploit.
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lmao, did he really say photosynthesis
 
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ScientificPizza

Banned
JetsonIsAJet said:
Sometimes I wonder what goes through the minds of these YouTube personalities when they do stuff like this. Like, did he just wake up that day and think "man, I know I made my life on making harmless video game joke videos, but I think today is a good day to finally dig into non whites diluting the gene pool, and white oppression. May as well make up some statistics while I'm at it."
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When you have an audience it makes what you say feel more credible. It's not that they're consciously deciding to do this, it's just that once they have people listening they think their thoughts have been validated

GloriousBagel said:
That's not what he said?
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I mean it wasn't that explicit, but he said he wasn't racist while doubling down on his racist ideas
 
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NamelessMonk

Member
Sigh. It honestly is a bit annoying at this point to see all the people I used to watch on youtube reveal themselves to be idiots.

But what's even worse for me is to see people who still worship these youtubers as if their words are some sort of law. I mean, they're just youtubers. I'm not trying to knock all of them, but they're basically entertainers. I understand that they influence young people, and this is horrible. We really need to analyze how these guys can become heroes to little boys and girls (mostly boys it seems though), because it's not good for people to be looking up to assholes.
 
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GloriousBagel

Banned
ScientificPizza said:
When you have an audience it makes what you say feel more credible. It's not that they're consciously deciding to do this, it's just that once they have people listening they think their thoughts have been validated


I mean it wasn't that explicit, but he said he wasn't racist while doubling down on his racist ideas
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He acknowledged that black people have had the short end of the stick in this country and that historically the US has treated other ethnic groups like shit, but also thinks that blanketing all white people and calling them racist is racist. He's not wrong. It's like if I said all Mexicans are rapists. They're clearly not, and saying all white people are racist is clearly wrong too.
 
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guybrushfreeman

Unconfirmed Member
GloriousBagel said:
He acknowledged that black people have had the short end of the stick in this country and that historically the US has treated other ethnic groups like shit, but also thinks that blanketing all white people and calling them racist is racist. He's not wrong. It's like if I said all Mexicans are rapists. They're clearly not, and saying all white people are racist is clearly wrong too.
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Who's blanketing all white people? People are pointing out the things he personally said are horrible
 
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jacob armitage

Banned
GloriousBagel said:
He acknowledged that black people have had the short end of the stick in this country and that historically the US has treated other ethnic groups like shit, but also thinks that blanketing all white people and calling them racist is racist. He's not wrong. It's like if I said all Mexicans are rapists. They're clearly not, and saying all white people are racist is clearly wrong too.
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Did you watch the original debate?
 
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FlutterPuffs

Member
Lord thread is a graveyard.

Having fun reading people defending Jon Tron, or 'protecting white culture'.

What are we talking about when it's about protecting it exactly? Preserving the gene pool for the ubermen, that every other tone of skin color is inherently inferior from a collective of irish, anglo saxon, germanic, and in this case even middle east descendants, or the dangers of losing long lasting traditions such as.... what's an example of a white tradition anyway?

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Breads

Banned
Chie Satonaka said:
Because it doesn't impact him.

By refusing to engage with it, he's enabling it, which is why racism continues to fester in our society.

Ultimately, Boogie and people like him really just don't care that much. People like that are even more upsetting than people like JonTron, because at least with Jon, you know where you stand.
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There definitely is something to that with me. You know how to deal with the honest ones and we can continue to live our lives without getting in each other's way. We may disagree at a fundamental level we are still able to tolerate each other's existence and keep a functional society going.

The dishonest ones who smile to your face and but are apathetic to your plight at best or plot against you and your family behind closed doors at worst are the ones slowing everything down. These cowards need to own their shit.
 
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DrBo42

Member
GloriousBagel said:
He acknowledged that black people have had the short end of the stick in this country and that historically the US has treated other ethnic groups like shit, but also thinks that blanketing all white people and calling them racist is racist. He's not wrong. It's like if I said all Mexicans are rapists. They're clearly not, and saying all white people are racist is clearly wrong too.
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Honestly he can say whatever he wants in a prepared jump-cut filled video but nothing makes up for his gene pool comments or half of his stances in that destiny video. Accusations that Mexican immigrants are coming here forming enclaves and trying to turn that area into Mexico, rich black people engaging in more crime than poor white people. Just absolutely baseless rhetoric that only a fucking racist would believe and spout.
 
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Alucrid

Banned
just think, he had like a week to come up with something. this is all he could muster. i really want a debate with destiny 2.0
 
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Wallach

Member
holy shit that daily stormer stream is honestly hilarious

especially when he starts talking about his gay experiences in front of his wife who doesn't think women should have the right to vote
 
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Michael F. Assbender

Banned
GloriousBagel said:
He acknowledged that black people have had the short end of the stick in this country and that historically the US has treated other ethnic groups like shit, but also thinks that blanketing all white people and calling them racist is racist. He's not wrong. It's like if I said all Mexicans are rapists. They're clearly not, and saying all white people are racist is clearly wrong too.
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And he said black people are genetically predisposed to be criminals. So at least there's that.

Wait, what?
 
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FyreWulff

Member
Fahzgoolin said:
I realize this is probably a result of ignorance and/or inexperience, but the whole racism in culture debate feels super shallow from my end.

Genuine calculated racism seems to rarely make an appearance, but only pointed out due to Internet access. It almost feels like a self induced issue, where most people aren't racist, but racial misunderstanding and general disrespect for your fellow neighbor seems to be categorized as racism if the parties involved are of a different race.

My father works for a big name company and they frequently celebrate only people of color and has strange meetings where they separate races into groups when seating them to try to point out "disguised social racism." It feels like a cyclical problem by the nature of calling each other equal, but drawing attention to race in the first place. For many, it raises eyebrows and feels forced. In media and in the work place, diversity seems naturally present because we are all Americans, but suddenly we have people in droves claiming the opposite is true.

I say this from a personal perspective of not witnessing much genuine racism, but more of seeing the opposite. I can't be personally aware of all issues present in the culture, but Jon's response seemed at least fair in the message he was trying to say. I didn't follow much of his statements in the past weeks, so there's that too.
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The worst aspects of racism and institutionalized racism won't just be direct obvious actions but the death by a thousand pinpricks over a day.

Pointing out racism does not suddenly create racism, and if it makes you feel uncomfortable that racism is being pointed out.. their point is being made. You can never go "we're just fine right now". You can't ignore that things are in a certain position right now because what came before set it all up. The ability to "just ignore it" is only available to people who don't have to live under it.
 
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joe2187

Banned
Wallach said:
holy shit that daily stormer stream is honestly hilarious

especially when he starts talking about his gay experiences in front of his wife who doesn't think women should have the right to vote
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Bruh I just learned.....white people have more diversity because of their hair color and eye color then aisan, mexicans and Black people because they only got a few shades of hair color, skin and eyes. So like ten white people are more diverse than a whole city of black, asian and hispanic people combined.
 
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Wallach

Member
joe2187 said:
Bruh I just learned.....white people have more diversity because of their hair color and eye color then aisan, mexicans and Black people because they only got a few shades of hair color, skin and eyes. So like ten white people are more diverse than a whole city of black, asian and hispanic people combined.
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dude I lost it at the super chipper "have a good night, sieg heil!" when he hung up
 
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