Parapraxis
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Not really. They look very different to me. You are seeing what you want to see. You seem to be pushing this idea that they are similar, did BotW team at any point say anything about Ghibli?
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Not really. They look very different to me. You are seeing what you want to see. You seem to be pushing this idea that they are similar, did BotW team at any point say anything about Ghibli?
martino
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Garrett Hawke
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seriously?
I literally laughed. You can't be serious.
Astral/H3X
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It seems that OP is unaware that atmospheric conditions naturally have an effect on the appearance of distant objects.
You know, in nature.
And BotW is respecting that.
You know, in nature.
And BotW is respecting that.
Parapraxis
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I mean, I've watched literally every Ghibli film ever made, and a few non-Ghibli, but related films, and while I can of course see similarities, I wouldn't go so far as claiming that BotW is directly influenced by Ghibli. That the BotW team went for a "ghibli look" is something that would be quite interesting and I'd like that to be supported in some way other than "look, green and blue and times of day" therefore ""ghibli".
The Ghibli similarities is not really OT is it?
And again, BotW is very smoggy in a lot of areas and instances, is that not true? And if it's not, did you adjust your sets?
Of course. But that's part of the weather system. There are some areas of the game where you can barely see 5 ft in front of you depending on the weather conditions but that is clearly by design.
Either way, I really don't agree with the Mario Odyssey example. That game has very rich color.
Garrett Hawke
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Anyone with eyes can see there is a clear ghibli influence, even in small touches like the little drops of sweat that come off Link as he runs.
Sorry I don't have a document signed by Miyamoto.
this really the hill you want to die on?
Cropped the skies, averaged the colors, and equalized the luminosity.
Guess which one's Zelda.
RichiRamjag
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It's definitely got a Ghibli look. My wife isn't a huge gamer or ghibli watcher, but mentioned that scenes in spirited away reminded her of zelda just last week when I put it on.
It might also be an attempt to make everything look further away than it actually is.
Parapraxis
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I mean, it's looks anime-like? Are you going to argue it looks similar to Makoto Shinkaii stuff as well? Your argument would be just as (un)sound
Just click through this thread for varied, non-press screenshots (unfortunately Nintendo's capture solution is fairly low-qual) of Breath of the Wild. Ton of screens with different times of day and situations.
It's a colorful game, folks. I ultimately prefer some variation of Ocarina 3D's artstyle but BotW is still stunning to me.
It's a colorful game, folks. I ultimately prefer some variation of Ocarina 3D's artstyle but BotW is still stunning to me.
Garrett Hawke
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No, I'm not, because it doesn't look like that.I mean, it's looks anime-like? Are you going to argue it looks similar to Makoto Shinkaii stuff as well? Your argument would be just as (un)sound
Maybe if you only look at the grass and the mountains. Unlike Sofie's outfit, all the reddish bits on Link have lost their vibrancy due to the overpowering greenish tint.
Garrett Hawke
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here's an orangey sunset for you, then.Cropped the skies, averaged the colors, and equalized the luminosity.
Guess which one's Zelda.
my outfit in that screenshot is blue and brown. the boots are rubber, which is black/brown, and my clothes have been dyed blue.
Parapraxis
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Haha, alright, I'm not going to argue with you. I think you are being childish though, Zelda looks anime-like, saying it's specifically Ghibli with ZERO actual evidence like a quote from the dev is silly.
I get it, you like Ghibli, and Zelda and you've drawn your conclusions.
Garrett Hawke
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no, demanding that a developer (especially japanese devs who rarely speak about their process) specifically state that something was inspired by something else for it to be true is childish.
AndyMoogle
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Zelda games have taken inspiration from Ghibli for many years. Especially Wind Waker and BotW. Watch Princess Mononoke and you'll see plenty of things you can relate to WW and BotW. Kodamas are the most obvious example.
Lame. You could do so much "better". Where's the vignette, blur, and digital noise?
looks like a ps1 game
Parapraxis
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Ah, they don't speak about their process, so you've taken it upon yourself to do so for them. Neat.
And again OT, BotW is very smoggy in a lot of areas and instances, is that not true? And if it's not, did you adjust your sets?
^ not going to answer that then?
Semi-related: How can I tell if my blacks are crushed, etc.?
I've only recently been forcing Full Range on my FHD TV and felt it seemed too dark, but I can't tell "too dark" from "Not used to this"
TLZ
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But I don't see the influence.
visiblemode
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Meh. I like a lot if variety. There's room for all styles, imo.
I didn't even notice the bird, all I see is one has fog and one is clear. The water especially looks so gorgeous in the second pic, and yes it does pop with a beatiful blue color.
The game looks as it should at night, for some reason the fog completely disappears and the visuals become crystal clear.
Is this sarcasm?
Ocarina_117
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The Ghibli similarities have been evident since the first reveal trailer and has been discussed at great length - being largely reminiscent of Princess Mononoke in particular.
Garrett Hawke
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omg, you're honestly so childish rn.
here is Aonuma specifically citing Miyazaki's work in an interview about Wind Waker:
http://www.zeldainformer.com/eiji-aonuma-interview-part-2-the-wind-waker-hd-and-choosing-art-styles/
RichiRamjag
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I'm sorry, but that second image looks like shit. It's terrible.
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I'm not a fan of cartoony art styles and play and enjoy their games in spite of them. So BOTW being washed out and hazy etc didn't really bother me as I wasn't wandering around basking in the graphics like in Horizon etc.
The art design is still great in many places and the world is a blast to explore. Would I like it even more if it was in a more realistic style on more powerful hardware for better graphics and stable framerate? Sure. Would the colors being different and having less haze increased my enjoyment? Nah, as it didn't bother me to begin with.
The art design is still great in many places and the world is a blast to explore. Would I like it even more if it was in a more realistic style on more powerful hardware for better graphics and stable framerate? Sure. Would the colors being different and having less haze increased my enjoyment? Nah, as it didn't bother me to begin with.
family_guy
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Switch needs HDR support.
Doesn't matter, your takeaway should be fog vs no fog from this comparison.
You do see the fog right?
"Those Nintendo press picture were bad media, go to the thread with a shitload of horribly compressed user screenshots instead"?
AndyMoogle
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The world in BotW has kind of been opressed for 100 years. That tends to affect things.
What? No. That would change their vibe and make them completely different games.
RichiRamjag
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I see a pic with fog, then I see a pic that looks awful. Of the two, I'd take the fog. That's my takeaway.
Weaker hardware is also a reason... Art style is often used as a smokescreen for the fact they cannot achieve greater visuals. Even Breath of the Wild. There is a marked haze and bloom and a cel shaded graphics style to mitigate the fact that to achieve what they have, they would need better hardware.
Who cares about creating an atmosphere? Excuses, these games are ugly as sin!
here's an orangey sunset for you, then.
my outfit in that screenshot is blue and brown. the boots are rubber, which is black/brown, and my clothes have been dyed blue.
Yeah, that one looks fine. Not every screenshot looks that good though.
Looks like maybe the green fog is height dependent as well as showing up at different times of day.
Does the sky still look green at night when you're up there?
That may be so, but all the bits that aren't directly lit appear to still be mostly shades of green.
Primethius
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I just increased the sharpness on my TV and now BotW looks like a 1080p game.
Parapraxis
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Well, he wasn't specifically talking about art style, just the type of world Ghibli films inspire, and I totally agree.
Whether or not Zelda is directly influenced by Ghibli isn't really on topic, and I still think you are seeing more influence than may actually be there, it's confirmation bias, and completely understandable. I'd imagine Zelda is influenced by many things, many of which are anime, given the popularity in Japan it's kind of hard for them not to be.
Art, as always, influences art. I just wouldn't go so far as posting screenshots of games and films and saying "look, see, almost exactly the same", they're not in my opinion.
Anyways, OT, OP says BotW looks smoggy a lot of the time and the response from some is "it looks like Ghibli", yet without examples of Ghibli looking washed out or smoggy.
People should not steer the conversation OP is proposing into a convo about "how Ghibli (or for people who watch more than just Ghibli, how anime-like) BotW looks, rather then discuss how BotW looks, on it's own, independent of influence.
I literally felt like i was playing a ghibli game in hateno village, independent of this thread, and have stated this. Definitely similar. I have a properly calibrated sony
Soul of the Beast
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Couldn't agree more, Ghibli or not, the game has amazing use of colors and art style.
Personally I think it looks far more unique and interesting than the generic boring art style of other western open world games, such as The Witcher 3.
herbchamberz
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Yes, BOTW has a washed-out/pastel style. OP is not wrong about that. They may not like it, but it was a artistic decision by Nintendo. I, for one, love it as it gives the world a dreamlike and ethereal quality.
Now, OP is wrong about making a blanket statement about this style in other Nintendo IPs. Splatoon, 3D World, Captain Toad, MK8 etc. are some of the most vibrant and contrasty video games around.
Now, OP is wrong about making a blanket statement about this style in other Nintendo IPs. Splatoon, 3D World, Captain Toad, MK8 etc. are some of the most vibrant and contrasty video games around.