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Who doesn't
From Christian Bale to Ben Affleck lol. Poor Bats.
From Christian Bale to Ben Affleck lol. Poor Bats.
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Hans Zimmer, Unsatisfied with Batfleck, Really Misses Christian Bales Batman
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MegaManTrigger
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Here we go with the "have you seen the movie" argument lol. "Done with the darkness" my ass, because that means actually having development. Something that is unconvincing, hypocritical, and contrived in BvS. Nothing Batman does after his conflict with Superman is actually redeeming him. He still goes ahead and uses guns and kills people off like nothing significant happened and I'm supposed to take his redemption "arc" seriously?
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
There's been only one movie prominently featuring Batfleck and it wasn't an origins story.
A more like for like would be TDK's Batman, and it was hurr hurr grimdark throughout.
Besides it's freaking Batman, you don't get your artistic inspiration for Batman for the happy roses and unicorns part.
MegaManTrigger
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There's been only one movie prominently featuring Batfleck and it wasn't an origins story.
A more like for like would be TDK's Batman, and it was hurr hurr grimdark throughout.
Besides it's freaking Batman, you don't get your artistic inspiration for Batman for the happy roses and unicorns part.
I don't buy the argument that because it wasn't an origins story, that it's okay for Batfleck to not be compared to Bale's Batman. That's a huge flaw on the creative team for creating the story they did in BvS, and using Batman that is middle-aged and providing no explicit context for his actions or why his moral values has become decrepit. Inb4yousaypeopleshouldjustthebooks - in that case don't get me wrong, I understand the implicit reasons bc I've read Batman comics all my life and can trace the links. But for the GA and casual fans they're not that hardcore, which is why you see so many complaints about Batman's actions being weird.
Did I say inspiration for Batman comes from happy roses and unicorns? Yes, Batman is a dark character, but that doesn't mean that he was thrown off the deep end of darkness without a bit of hope. In that regard, you might want to calm down on that strawman. The representation of hope was realistic in Nolan's Batman without having to resort to the "happy roses and unicorn" imagery that you think is prevalent. In fact, you say TDK is "grimdark" and yet, there are tons of instances where things are hopeful. People fighting back against organized crime from the vigilante level all the way to the legal system, people starting to realize that maybe they don't need Batman anymore, and that's just scratching the surface. What I don't see is why TDK is considered "hurrhurr grimdark."
MagnaderAlpha
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Oh yeah, Zimmer? I miss Danny Elfman's Batman theme. A big 'oh well'...
Blueingreen
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Batfleck was the best Batman, Nolan/Bale Batman was overrated and arguably the most incompetent Superhero portrayl in cinema history.
The Artisan
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i'll never stop believing that the Batman trilogy should've just been the start of the DC cinematic universe instead of man of steel.
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
I'm the one grasping at straws? You're the one trying to prove Ben Affleck's Batman is a flat character compared to Bale's based off of one very dark themed and truncated double feature. It's clear in BvS that his crime fighting heydays are behind him - it's literally alluded to by an exchange between him and Alfred and the displayed outfit vandalized with the big, green "HA HA HA". Still, you can rip the BvS script to shreds trying to argue your point and it won't prove a goddamn thing.
Zimmer had all the books to tap into for inspiration for both universes, and if you're as serious about your comics as you claim you are, you know BvS draws much more, for better or worse, from the comics. So, really Hans Zimmer is talking through his hat, and that article is fishing clicks.
Hope doesn't mean a thing in the grand scheme for Batman because he's a tragic hero - the very end of TDK exemplifies this. It only matters if you're trying to tie it all up with a nice bow, like in Rises (lol).
So, really, what are you getting at with all this hope nonsense?
It doesn't matter what you take seriously or how much you enjoyed the movie. You said Batfleck was going deeper and deeper into darkness with no end in sight. The last scene in the movie 100% proves you wrong in this regard. Period. The redemption arc ends after superman's death, not MARTHA
BiGBoSSMk23
A company being excited for their new game is a huge slap in the face to all the fans that liked their old games.
This, also.
"Men are still good. We fight, we kill, we betray one another, but we can rebuild. We can do better. We will. We have to."
There's your ray of sunshine at the end.
SkylineRKR
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If BvS did one thing right its the choreography. Batman fought like... Batman. It sometimes reminded me of the Arkham games.
Batfleck obviously had to be pissed at the world because of the rather terrible script. But yeah, I actually like Affleck and Irons. I hope his movie goes through and the script actually makes sense this time.
Batfleck obviously had to be pissed at the world because of the rather terrible script. But yeah, I actually like Affleck and Irons. I hope his movie goes through and the script actually makes sense this time.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I wouldn't want him to. Superpowers and aliens have no place in Nolan/Bale's Batman.
The Artisan
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so superpowers and aliens have no place in Batman's trilogy, but
-some ninja-terrorist-illuminati group (League of Shadows)
-or some drug that could make Batman look like this to scare people but then make people try to kill him (Scarecrow Fear Toxin)
-or a psychopathic murderer could singularly figure out months and months of planning to blow up ferries and a hospital (Joker)
-or a man who can punch through concrete (Bane)
do?
More grumpy men in tights
Who asked for this
Who asked for this
You can't tell the difference between fantastic but grounded in reality between regular fantasy?
Gordon Shumway
Banned
Yup. BvsS being a horrible movie pretty much tainted batfleck. Plus who has batman not only brand criminals like cattle but kill dozens of people
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
Clearly you can tell the difference, you're just being obtuse for the sake of it.
DontBeThatGuy
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Batfleck had decent action, but boring everything else, and everything else is what ultimately matters. BvS lets just about everyone down.
(but Batfleck has real potential, that can hopefully be fully realized during the solo)
(but Batfleck has real potential, that can hopefully be fully realized during the solo)
Cipher Peon
Banned
Harsh, but agreeable, words.
I thought Affleck was woeful as Batman and Bale was the best Batman of all time. Impossible to compete imo
I thought Affleck was woeful as Batman and Bale was the best Batman of all time. Impossible to compete imo
gutter_trash
Banned
I disagree with Zimmer on this one.
Affleck >>>> Bale
Bale
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Affleck
mouth shut
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So Hans Zimmer prefers gaping mouths
Affleck >>>> Bale
Bale
gaping mouth
gaping mouth
gaping mouth
Affleck
mouth shut
mouth shut
mouth shut
So Hans Zimmer prefers gaping mouths
BlackBanditSho
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This post...wha?
I still think that if Nolan stayed with franchise, we'd be looking at an amazing DC cinematic universe. Dunno why it's difficult to imagine a Nolan bats and Nolan supes.
I didn't like Affleck's Batman either. I enjoyed Bale's portrayal of the character a lot; it was far from perfect but I thought his characterization was relatively on point. His fight scenes were sub-par compared to Batfleck, but Bale's Batman was still pretty awesome. The Hong Kong, Nightclub, and SWAT scenes stood out in TDK, and his opening scene at the docks in Begins is still one of my favorite moments in any comic book film.
That's because there were actual nostrils in Affleck's mask.
Henchmen21
Banned
Meanwhile, Keaton sits upon high and laughs at the pretenders to the throne
Maddocks
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I get what he is saying...we got to grow and see growth in bale, because we seen him as a college student who got a gun to kill joe chill and then he left to train and escape the city and see what he needed to be and what he needed to become, easy to follow that and attach to the character that way.
In Batman v Superman it was Batman 20 years deep, he is no longer the bright eyed I can save this city guy, he is the....fuck this shit, nothing changes, how many good people are left and how many have stayed that way and it got my partner killed guy.
In Batman v Superman it was Batman 20 years deep, he is no longer the bright eyed I can save this city guy, he is the....fuck this shit, nothing changes, how many good people are left and how many have stayed that way and it got my partner killed guy.
Junkie Xl composed bats theme
Then why does Zimmer say this (from the article in op):
"I spent months trying to come up with something for Ben."
Or did he just give up and hand it over to Junkie.
Idk but look on the song credits on the soundtrack it's says Junkie XL
On my CD is say Junkie but online is says Hanz, it's weird
Abstrusity
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I feel like Affleck has the eyes and demeanor of a villain or maybe anti-villain, not so much a hero.
I just checked, and it was a collaboration on the Batman theme:
http://collider.com/batman-v-superman-hans-zimmer-junkie-xl-interview/
So yeah Zimmer definitely had his hand in it.
Explains a lot but batman theme sounds more Junkie then Zimmer.
Joke post? Ninjas and elite societies exist. Hallucinogens exist. 'Roided up strong man is a very small stretch of reality.
You're really comparing aliens and super powers to these things?
Either way it's forgettable. I don't care who I attribute it to but if Hans said he worked on it, then he's at least partly responsible.
old manatee
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Christian Bale's Batman sounded like Cookie Monster after he lost his cookie at the disco.
Gordon Shumway
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m_shortpants
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Ben Affleck is fine. The script is scrappy.
TBH I kind of liked BvS Batman. He's grumpy, he's mad, his world is upside down and he's jaded as fuck.
The whole Martha thing is a point that snaps him back to reality I felt. It was executed kind of goofy but I thought it was him holding himself from going to a really dark place by remembering what made him Batman. I thought it worked personally and look forward to seeing his character in JL.
TBH I kind of liked BvS Batman. He's grumpy, he's mad, his world is upside down and he's jaded as fuck.
The whole Martha thing is a point that snaps him back to reality I felt. It was executed kind of goofy but I thought it was him holding himself from going to a really dark place by remembering what made him Batman. I thought it worked personally and look forward to seeing his character in JL.
AndrewDean84xX
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I think Bale is the better Batman, but Afleck was the better Bruce Wayne.
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