StrongBlackVine
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Supermassive doesn't do exclusives any more and they have no connection to Xbox. Are you just throwing stuff out there?
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Xbox first-party is "critical" for Scorpio, says Spencer (Gamesindustry.biz)
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Supermassive doesn't do exclusives any more and they have no connection to Xbox. Are you just throwing stuff out there?
I'm glad to see that the PR buffer that Microsoft gained by scapegoating Don Mattrick and having Phil Spencer take over is wearing off. It has been increasingly obvious over the years that Spencer just says whatever sounds good at any given moment or context. To be fair he's very good at that, he seems keenly aware of what people want to hear, however his actual decisions to this point haven't really demonstrated that there's much weight behind it.
Lmao, you have no idea. By the way I would happily take on that bet
I feel like maybe some people are taking his tweet out of context. His reply on having 1P games for Scorpio games was specifically in reply to a question about State of Decay and Crackdown. I would take it at face value and leave it at that.
And anytime he says "it's a journey" it typically means check back in a year or so. I remember when he said the same thing about bringing Xbox games to Windows 10 at GDC in March 2015 and the first titles to do it were delivered in March 2016 with Killer Instinct and Quantum Break in April, then a slow trickle throughout 2016.
I can't get Twitter to load the other tweets, but I can't help but imagine some people are filling in details and getting their hopes up where they probably shouldn't.
And anytime he says "it's a journey" it typically means check back in a year or so. I remember when he said the same thing about bringing Xbox games to Windows 10 at GDC in March 2015 and the first titles to do it were delivered in March 2016 with Killer Instinct and Quantum Break in April, then a slow trickle throughout 2016.
I can't get Twitter to load the other tweets, but I can't help but imagine some people are filling in details and getting their hopes up where they probably shouldn't.
New Scorpio info!!!
https://youtu.be/-1GadTfGFvU
https://youtu.be/-1GadTfGFvU
Spyder_Monkey
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Yeah that's not going to happen.
Yes, plus Sea of Thieves, Rare's other team(s), and whatever Lift is working on. But that's literally it, unfortunately.
StrongBlackVine
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Sony published Nioh in the West so I would say the have investment in it. It might hit PC eventually, but never Xbox. Honestly not a single game on that list is coming to Xbox. Games like Persona 5 being ported are legit LOL worthy. Platinum already recently that NieR Automata is never coming to Xbox.
Are you just throwing stuff out there?
His post wasn't that hard to read. The next Supermassive as in: The next relatively unknown studio to put out a great game.
Their development partners make first party games as well, though. Like Crackdown 3 and State of Decay 2, for example.
Technically State of Decay 2 is 1P in the context Spencer is using it. And I think it's safe to assume at least one of the teams at Playground is working on the next Forza Horizon.
EDIT: And rumor is Ori 2 is on the way. Pretty sure Lift London is working on HoloLens stuff.
Maybe you'll get a better understanding of this move after accepting that MS's primary goal is not beating Sony. Xbox division is basically a rich man's son who once got the chance to do his own thing with daddy's cash. It seems that daddy is getting pretty impatient lately and thus keeps his son on a shorter leash.
StrongBlackVine
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But the other two studios he mentioned have worked with Microsoft recently. Mentioning Supermassive muddled the comment.
Gotcha. State Of Decay 2 has potential. Probably more than any other multiplayer zombie survival game.
It's all published by Microsoft Studios, and that's what matters.
Oh god no. All that Fable needs to be is a prettier and smoother Fable 2. That's it. Whimsical Fable is all I want.
Yeeeah, I think I'm going to pass on Scorpio. Not even sure why I have an XBO at this point other than for 360 games and waiting forever for Sea of Thieves (which my hype deflated for).
I really want something other than Halo, Forza, Gears, and Halo Wars. They need to seriously bring their A-Game to E3 with some variety.
Edit: I'd rather Platinum do a Fable game. Always liked their fast paced combat more than FROM's Souls gameplay.
I really want something other than Halo, Forza, Gears, and Halo Wars. They need to seriously bring their A-Game to E3 with some variety.
Edit: I'd rather Platinum do a Fable game. Always liked their fast paced combat more than FROM's Souls gameplay.
Eh. Not really. His point was that a new / unknown studio could surprise us, and that came across well enough. To me, at least.
Not that I actually want it, but a Dark Souls in the Fable universe with the whimsiness intact would be pretty damn funny tbh.
RichiRamjag
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I agree and I've been saying it from the start. I don't have an issue with him, but people should know better.
Especially considering they listed Double Helix (bought by Amazon), rather than Iron Galaxy.
phantasmic_glaive
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Lol
Those are first party games, not studios.
Dick Jones
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I could easily be labelled as a Sony Pony (I own a Vita #greatestmachineever) but I hope that the Scorpio does well. Xbox needs to be around to keep Sony honest and vice versa. As much as I like Xbox exclusives on PC, in the long run I feel that it ruins the reason to have an Xbox machine. I worry if Scorpio fails then Microsoft may not have a dog in the fight for next gen, Sony may get complacent.
What
righthandmouse
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Microsoft must be doing a great job keeping sony honest. Because all I see are great games on their platform. I doubt sony gives a rats ass about what ms does and would be more than happy without them in the market.
Xbox Juan will remember that!
GillianSeed79
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I have zero interest in forza or Gears. I used to enjoy Halo, but hated Guardians. Fable isn't even a franchise anymore. They better hope multi plats outperform on Scorpio or there is zero reason for me to buy one.
Hope? Of course it will.
Right. Spencer just said bringing focus to 1P. Whether it's a publishing deal or an internal studio, it's effectively the same thing.
It seems there is still some confucious.
I don't think that MS scapegoated Mattrick, gamers did. MS fired him like a failing coach - business as usual, no emotions, nothing to see here.
Here's my take on the whole story. By 2008-2009 Xbox Division as a whole was still in deep red and pressure on the division was already increasing. Mattrick as head of the division found himself completely cornered and he knew that traditional gaming was never going to bring the amount of growth everyone expected in the early 2000's. So he went all-in on the initial Xbox vision of dominating the living-room, as once supported by Bill Gates himself. At that point Neogaf-hardcore-gamers weren't MS's target group anymore. They were going after the casul crowd with Kinect and Us-centric services to get Moms & Dads & Grannies & Granpas & Woofie the dog just like Nintendo did with wii. Kinect was a success and 360 finally became profitable which doesn't mean that the whole Xbox business reached black numbers. Thus the pressure was not going away, so things needed to be sped up - Xbox needed to be much more than gaming to meet inverstors' expectations- which lead to the events of 2013. Well, Mattrick had his stack on red - but the ball landed on black. Bye, bye Don. Then uncle Phil comes along and plays the "I'm one of you"-guy, some buy it, some don't. Ultimately he is not in the same position as Xbox heads were in the early days.
Not in the eyes of the average consumer.
Is it really that hard to understand that without any competition from MS (or Nintendo for that matter), Sony might get a bit complacent and slip into cruise control? Thus, they might not have as many great games on their platform. No need to get so defensive about it.
I'd bet you're probably wrong there. And just because a corporation would love it if their competition exited the market, doesn't mean that you as a consumer should love it as well
The Hamburglar
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Isn't it obvious now Phil just repeats stuff we already know or what people want to hear.
Why not have a dedicated thread to his tweets.
Why not have a dedicated thread to his tweets.
Maybe they want Microsoft to exit the business, so they can lay down their flags. Console wars have been going on long enough. Some warriors just want to stop fighting.Not in the eyes of the average consumer.
Is it really that hard to understand that without any competition from MS (or Nintendo for that matter), Sony might get a bit complacent and slip into cruise control? Thus, they might not have as many great games on their platform. No need to get so defensive about it.
I'd bet you're probably wrong there. And just because a corporation would love it if their competition exited the market, doesn't mean that you as a consumer should love it as well
Ah, I was responding to a post about what first party studios were working on.
Yes, it amounts to the same thing in the short term... but not investing in internal projects is unsustainable for the long term.
You used the term "honest". They are companies, not you friends.
And the competition thing, man, how many times have I heard this nonsense before. How do you think Sony won the console race in the first place? That wasn't competition? Sony just gifted away millions and millions of consoles to be the market leader? The current state of the market is the result competition. Competition doesn't just stop because some people feel like it. Companies are competing 24/7. Every single time a consumer decides between good A and good B, that's competition.
Not really. Valve has been doing OK.
Astral Dog
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I don't belueve you phil
Not in the eyes of the average consumer.
Is it really that hard to understand that without any competition from MS (or Nintendo for that matter), Sony might get a bit complacent and slip into cruise control? Thus, they might not have as many great games on their platform. No need to get so defensive about it.
I'd bet you're probably wrong there. And just because a corporation would love it if their competition exited the market, doesn't mean that you as a consumer should love it as well
First of all business competiton is not a Rocky vs. Apollo Creed thing. Business competition can get pretty nasty for everyone including consumers. Is competition in sports always positive? Nope, competition can turn into pure pressure, and pressure can lead to the desire to take short-cuts.
If either MS or Sony or Nintendo leaves the business, someone will take the spot, or we'll have a good 1vs1 again.
No, I didn't.
By realising they needed to compete with MS and Nintendo and invest in a tonne of great games? That's kind of my whole point. Without MS and Nintendo being around, they would have had less reason to do that.
Exactly. You seem to agree with me, so I'm not sure how we even ended up here. The only reason I quoted you was because you responded with 'What?' to someone making a point as to why Microsoft — i.e. competition to Sony — needs to stick around.
Brad Grenz
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Yes, actions speak louder than words and Phil has been all talk since taking over.
righthandmouse
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you know I prefer ms over sony right? If anything I hope all consoles leave the market. Let the consumers build their own consoles and purchase what they choose. Not lock games down to one system.Not in the eyes of the average consumer.
Is it really that hard to understand that without any competition from MS (or Nintendo for that matter), Sony might get a bit complacent and slip into cruise control? Thus, they might not have as many great games on their platform. No need to get so defensive about it.
I'd bet you're probably wrong there. And just because a corporation would love it if their competition exited the market, doesn't mean that you as a consumer should love it as well
DOT DASH DOT
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They really need to invest in new teams and IP, Sony absolutely stomp MS in the ground when it comes to output and quality.
I don't really agree with that. Who's capable of doing so? Of the companies capable of doing so, who would want to? Who needs to?
So in the end, somebody is going to be competing with someone? Fine by me.
get2sammyb
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The problem here is that Xbox isn't Sony's only competition at all. They're also competing with smartphones, movies, tablets, television, and basically any other entertainment medium that takes time away from console games. So even without Xbox around, they still have to work bloody hard.
The problem here, is that regardless of competition from other mediums, they'll still have the console market mostly to themselves. If the past is anything to go by, Nintendo will be doing their own thing, with their own games, with small amounts of third-party support. That leaves Sony as the only option for the average consumer who just wants to play the latest COD, FIFA, Destiny, GTA etc...
Not much work would be required on Sony's part to ensure that those games would be exclusive to their platform all but guaranteeing them success.
Did MS need a gaming division? If you agree that big companies need to grow and branch up, the answer is "yes". So which companies may have interest in branching up: Samsung, Apple, Amazon, some Chinese company. All very unlikely atm, because this market has yet to show that it can support three big players in the long run. But the moment a huge gap emerges, someone might see this as a big opportunity. Just look at Sony: Sega and Nintendo had gaming in their DNA, Sony not a bit, and seemingly out of nowhere they came and conquered.
get2sammyb
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They'd still need to create a great venue to cultivate audiences for those games, though, so in reality I don't feel like much would change at all to what we see in the present day. Sony obviously wants to make money from software sales, so having complete domination of the market could even encourage it to make more games to sell to an even larger audience.
I dunno. I hate this "complacency" thing.
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