TheOfficeMut
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Well, since I am learning HTML, CSS, and soon JavaScript and Node.js, what is a recommended language to follow up that would work well in conjunction with these?
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Which programming languages can earn you extra/more income?
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At that point you wouldn't need to learn another language since you've got front end and server side covered.
Next would be learning a framework with your language and connecting pieces together to make a program.
If you just keep learning new languages instead of making things you'll never actually learn to program, you would be just memorizing syntax.
TheOfficeMut
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Oh no, I definitely want to make a program. Of course the idea of learning new languages is appealing but I understand the greater importance of actually having projects.
Although I am unsure of the specific types of projects I'd like to make. I'm still brainstorming.
Infinite_Daremo
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My friend makes bank just by fixing up or updating shitty Wordpress sites in his spare time. Ive seen him earn £500 for a simple CSS alignment fix on a specific browser.
TheOfficeMut
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I haven't touched statistics in years but I'd really like to brush up on it. How far do you think I should go? Should I also touch calculus?
So people make a Wordpress site using the preprogrammed templates and then ask someone else to fix them up?
Slightly. Most bloggers (that use things like Wordpress) have never used HTML, CSS, Javascript. The folks that actually know that stuff will be contracted to "make it look pretty."
The languages you're looking at (HTML, CSS, Javascript) are more web-based/web-developer. Forget C, Python (maybe), and other such languages if that's what you're focusing on. Ruby (on Rails) and Python with PHP and a few other "web technology" stuff may be used, but those three are the main ones you're going to be using. (and to be fair, HTML and CSS are more mark-up languages than programming).
Otherwise if you're going to do actual (non-web, on hardware) applications, C and a few other languages will be more beneficial to pick-up.
Any advice for learning SQL? I haven't touched it at school or my current job, but I'm in the early stages of making a 3DS app (in C) that pulls from a database. Started messing around with SQL a bit this weekend, but mostly just found commands in the official documentation. If anyone knows of some good resources or tutorials I'd appreciate it.
I started reading up some on assembly after playing a bunch of TIS-1000 a few months ago, but it got complicated very quickly. Tried disassembling a very simple program and had no idea what was going on. Still want to try and write something in assembly one of these days, just to see how the machine works at the lowest levels.
Anyway, general consensus ITT seems to be focus more and doing projects than just learning a language? I've been out of school for a couple years and at my current job I'm mostly doing OS level stuff on Linux, bash scripting, and build coordination. Worried about how marketable this will be and I kind of want to move to a position where I'm doing more programming, but I need to brush up on my skills.
I started reading up some on assembly after playing a bunch of TIS-1000 a few months ago, but it got complicated very quickly. Tried disassembling a very simple program and had no idea what was going on. Still want to try and write something in assembly one of these days, just to see how the machine works at the lowest levels.
Anyway, general consensus ITT seems to be focus more and doing projects than just learning a language? I've been out of school for a couple years and at my current job I'm mostly doing OS level stuff on Linux, bash scripting, and build coordination. Worried about how marketable this will be and I kind of want to move to a position where I'm doing more programming, but I need to brush up on my skills.
TheOfficeMut
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I signed up for an SQL course on Udemy, which is where I am taking the web development bootcamp class that teaches HTML, CSS, JavaScript and Node.js. I'm not sure how the SQL class is yet but it was only $10 and it had a large number of positive impressions.
dragonelite
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Almost had to relearn sql from scratch because I'm used to using an orm handle querying for me.
bemusedchunk
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No, powershell isn't REALLY a language, but it is VERY useful scripting tool for windows based infrastructure.
It helps if you want to go down the sys admin/devops route. I'm a big fan of powershell, but it's really just a gateway language to learn more scripting tools like puppet.
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No, powershell isn't REALLY a language, but it is VERY useful scripting tool for windows based infrastructure.
It helps if you want to go down the sys admin/devops route. I'm a big fan of powershell, but it's really just a gateway language to learn more scripting tools like puppet.
Epsilon-delta
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If one is going down the data science route, I would recommend Python and R.
TheOfficeMut
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Well, now I have another question for y'all: My bachelor's is in psychology and my master's is in public administration. Can I still learn these languages for myself and make some projects and actually be successful?
If, for example, I wanted to get into data science and/or development as a career, how would I even make the transition? I don't have a computer science education. Would I be able to get into that type of career without the education and professional experience just using personal projects as show?
If, for example, I wanted to get into data science and/or development as a career, how would I even make the transition? I don't have a computer science education. Would I be able to get into that type of career without the education and professional experience just using personal projects as show?
probably not, unless you have some stuff to show them.
You'll probably want to have projects that you can show them on GitHub or a live site. Not everyone who writes code for money has a educational background in Computer Science
If you're going to be a web-dev, yes you can just start building right now with your three languages.
Drop this course (HTML, CSS, Javascript, Node.js) because those are web-design-focused/web-developer and not data-science-y would be a good start.
Yes. Provided you have a good portfolio and show you know what you're doing.
*Numerous FreeCodeCamp articles here.html about this*
Of course, FCC is more focused on web-devs like you're doing. So if you're really wanting to do data science, you should probably do C or Python or whatever is focused on that sort of aspect more than HTML, CSS, Javascript (and Node which is just a JS framework).
Hari Seldon
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Data science no lol. Imo if you are a self taught person shoot for like web development, database, and other kinds of scripting.
TheOfficeMut
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I won't drop the web development course I'm doing now. I think I'll finish it. But I'll definitely get into Python and SQL after this (SQL specifically because that's the type of skill many employers look for in the type of work I currently do).
thesoapster
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Basic SQL is pretty easy, but it's worth spending a bit of time on to get a more advanced understanding, and I think it would help you just about anywhere.
family_guy
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Do you have a college degree focusing in computer science or information systems? If not, I'd focus on that first. Unless you've had years of programming experience and tons of certs, the days of people hiring novice programmers with no degree are pretty much gone. Of course you could try to go into business for yourself if you have some great idea for new software.
One of my friend stopped his medical studies in the last year in order to start working as a developer. A guy I work with is an architect, but there weren't any jobs in architecture so he taught himself to code and is now working as a front end developer. And a lot of other similar cases of people who studied business, economics, math, whatever who now work as developers/testers. In fact, out of about 30 people in my company, only 5 of us actually have computer science degrees. A persons college degree matters very little in IT, only their skills.
lucebuce12
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I have the utmost respect for people that work in Assembly.
I just do not have the patience for it.
Daffy Duck
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PHP/PHP Framework.
First learn SQL. Then learn a OO language... C# is great and widely used and you can build anything with it. Python is another great choice. When you understand those then start mixing with front end tech and learn patterns like MVC.
I have a side business where I develop programs and sell them. Made pretty good money last year on it, not enough to leave my full time job yet but enough to save a lot and have fun.
I have a side business where I develop programs and sell them. Made pretty good money last year on it, not enough to leave my full time job yet but enough to save a lot and have fun.
OP you should focus on specific areas instead of trying to have a look into everything at the same time.
If you're already familar with with CSS and HTML and you'll be looking into JS (sounds like webdev) then you should have a look at one of these: PHP, Perl, Ruby on Rails, Pyhthon or ASP.net.
I'd personally recommend you PHP even tho it's "dirty" but it still gets the jobs done. Add some MySQL (kinda basic SQL) and you're ready to go and create website projects that can earn you some income and experience
If you're already familar with with CSS and HTML and you'll be looking into JS (sounds like webdev) then you should have a look at one of these: PHP, Perl, Ruby on Rails, Pyhthon or ASP.net.
I'd personally recommend you PHP even tho it's "dirty" but it still gets the jobs done. Add some MySQL (kinda basic SQL) and you're ready to go and create website projects that can earn you some income and experience
Python and SQL are good languages if you want to work your way towards a data science role. Data scientists come from both CS and non-CS backgrounds but these are typically common skills. If you go back to school, statistics or machine learning courses are good to take.
TheOfficeMut
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I signed up as a non-degree student at Hunter College for the summer and after. What courses do you recommend I take? Should I bother with calculus, or should I focus on statistics? I wouldn't mind taking a course or two. How about a computer science course (it'd probably be introduction to computer science before they let me take any particular programming class)?
Good post. Far too many people want to learn a programming language without learning how to build in the first place. If you can learn core principals, how your work integrates with other systems/components, how it tests and tests well, how you yourself work with others to come up with quality solutions you're half way there in my opinion. Knowing a language (or six) is only useful in a junior position. How you use that language is all I care about.
TheOfficeMut
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I can only speak for this web development bootcamp course, but it's like this:
Every lesson contains a video that builds off a previous concept. You use Sublime Text to write code, either imitating what the instructor is doing or going off on your own. Normally after several videos and at the end of a lesson, he'll display an example website and then ask you to determine, visually, what type of HTML and CSS you should write on your own to replicate that same page.
So each video teaches a concept, which you can follow by writing the same code, and then the lesson ends with an assignment that asks you to replicate a website by writing up the code.
walking fiend
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Basically this. I am sorry to break this to you, but thinking that just by going through a boot-camp course on Udemy you'll become able to earn a high salary is naive. It is akin to believing that by learning how to work with Word, you can become a journalist or a writer. You'll need knowledge of more advanced topics and lots of practice. Although it is true that many of the people who are progammers haven't been formally educated in computer science, but they still need to have a good portion of the skillset of the graduate of the relevant fields, so it might be a good idea if you just check the curriculum of some more rigorous computer or data science programs.
To get a 'real world' perspective, I suggest you go check out some of the job postings on LinkedIn for full-time positions, and some on websites like upwork for part-time and freelancing opportunities, for example:
https://www.upwork.com/o/jobs/browse/c/web-mobile-software-dev/sc/web-development/
To get into data science, you'll need advanced topics which are not covered in Udemy. Try Coursera, or generally speaking, MOOCs offered by universities. There are few in the following list, but there are more recent ones available on Coursera and other places:
http://www.kdnuggets.com/2015/09/top-20-data-science-moocs.html
Also, read the following article which will give you an overview of different job categories in data science field:
http://www.kdnuggets.com/2017/02/5-career-paths-data-science-big-data-explained.html
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So, basically, assuming that you want to get into web development, you'll need:
- Practical experience: Try developing a website from scratch, deploy it, maintain it, scale it, secure it
- Work on open source projects: Try to contribute to an existing project on GitHub
- Get involved in the community,Stack Overflow is a good place to start
- Sign up for good blogs on web development
- Take MOOCs on more advanced topics such as algorithms, data structures, etc. for back-end, or graphic design and interaction design for front end
- Learn general skills: communication skills, entrepreneurship, business analytics, agile project management, continuous delivery, building your resume and LinkedIn profile, etc.
You'll need to spend at least a few months honing your skills before you can do something useful.
FallingEdge
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Dealing with people who come out of the "coding schools", this is by far the biggest problem. It takes time to gain experience, that is for sure but a lot of them aren't thinking like an engineer. They haven't developed the skills to try to think in different ways or deal with obstacles that require them to do more than just Google for an answer. The biggest offender, and this is on the school, is that they had no idea how to debug or use a debugger! By far, the biggest wtf moment to me.
jimmypython
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R and Python with mathematical modelling knowledge adaptable for machine learning.
TheOfficeMut
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I didn't think I'd be able to earn a high salary, I asked what extra income I can earn by utilizing the languages I learn. My career is not in programming and development, at least not at this very moment, but it does utilize Python and SQL in some positions.
Thanks for the articles, though.
Statistics as a foundation is much more applicable to work in the wide field of data analysis, while calculus is something I would say you can hold off on until you find a desire or need to go one level higher. An intro CS class would be okay if you're intimidated by programming, but honestly, Python is one of the most friendly languages to pick up and it's more about finding a project and building experience from there.
Is the question "what language will make me more money at my main job?" or "what language will I find easy side-money" ?
For the first question: there's no real good answer IMO. You can make great money working in tech with Java, C#, Ruby, Python, etc etc or land a banking tech job writing COBOL (I knew someone who did that, crazy how that language is still used). The main thing is experience. If you're not a CS college-grad with internships, the hardest thing will be getting that first experience, but once you have 2-3 years of professional experience on your resume, you'll have multiple recruiters bothering you every week on LinkedIn.
In terms of side gigs, there's lucrative opportunities for everything web. JS is the obvious language, but there's also a ton of people looking for help with Rails apps, old LAMP apps, heck even WordPress websites. I'm currently spending some time on the weekends doing Rails work for a friend of a friend, making ~$1k of side money a month doing so. Easy money when you know what you're doing.
For the first question: there's no real good answer IMO. You can make great money working in tech with Java, C#, Ruby, Python, etc etc or land a banking tech job writing COBOL (I knew someone who did that, crazy how that language is still used). The main thing is experience. If you're not a CS college-grad with internships, the hardest thing will be getting that first experience, but once you have 2-3 years of professional experience on your resume, you'll have multiple recruiters bothering you every week on LinkedIn.
In terms of side gigs, there's lucrative opportunities for everything web. JS is the obvious language, but there's also a ton of people looking for help with Rails apps, old LAMP apps, heck even WordPress websites. I'm currently spending some time on the weekends doing Rails work for a friend of a friend, making ~$1k of side money a month doing so. Easy money when you know what you're doing.
TheOfficeMut
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Which language can earn me side-money, specifically. The type of work I look for doesn't absolutely require programming but some positions do ask for SQL and Python, so that much I know I'll study later on, but in the meantime, while I already have a full-time job, I'd like to know what I can make or do utilizing languages to earn extra income.
What are Rails apps?
This is all accurate. If you're looking to augment your Python/SQL experience and go a data route then Spark.
TheOfficeMut
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Also, sorry if it sounds like I am all over the place, because the truth is I am. I'm simply trying to learn where I should concentrate my effort that would be the most beneficial.
I heard about this. Is it that COBOL is so archaic and old yet all the banks are buried in that code that they can't transition out of it, and all the people that actually know it are dying off and/or leaving? When are they expected to move on from that, if ever?
I heard about this. Is it that COBOL is so archaic and old yet all the banks are buried in that code that they can't transition out of it, and all the people that actually know it are dying off and/or leaving? When are they expected to move on from that, if ever?
For the most part, I wouldn't focus on learning a ton, since as long as you have good fundamentals, you should be able to pick up similar languages. Like I'd focus on knowing good OOP practices, because then you'd be solid in any object oriented language.
Python, R, SQL, and C# are all quite different, so exposure to all of them is a solid idea.
walking fiend
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My bad, I misunderstood your topic. Web development is possibly the easiest way to get extra money, as there are lots of project type jobs available (you build a website, add something to it, migrate it, etc.) and once the job is done you move onto the next one.
Data science jobs usually require more commitment; although there are contract positions available, but even then they usually require you to focus solely on delivering that project ASAP.
I'm fairly certain the frameworks mess is going to come to an end now that FB has put its weight behind GraphQL, Redux and React. There are no other frameworks that can compete with them (technically you can use Redux and GraphQL with Angular or any other front-end framework, but I don't see why one shouldn't pick up React anyway)
Indeed. Go the R route and you can do small side projects for data analysts. With the C family you are more likely to find a full job, not so much small side projects.
If you're looking for some extra income you should look into building and deploying web sites. Wordpress or another content management system is all you need for this. Knowing CSS will also be a big boon. Javascript, Python, or Ruby can be beneficial if you want to get into more specialized projects and high performance, but I wouldn't recommend starting with these as implementation time will be far greater for most simple projects.
Reach out to local businesses for small projects you can take on.
Reach out to local businesses for small projects you can take on.
Can it really be considered a general purpose language when it cannot properly utilize multi-threading in this day and age?
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OP, I am with you, things has been rough lately for me and I am preparing for a change of career. I also bought the dev bootcamp course at Udemy.
This a good suggestion and I am wondering what is the efficient way to get this type of WordPress clients, I really have no idea how to get customers.
May I ask you, how do you do to make that stream of projects?
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