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The Walking Dead Season 7, Part 2 Sundays on AMC
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Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
That'll never happen. You might as well not come back until the series finale. Every drama is one problem to the next. That's not a spoiler, it's just how every book, movie or TV drama works. Solve one problem, the next book/season/sequel has a new problem.
Pretty much.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Everything about guns is beyond stupid in this show.
Like wildcatting an absolutely massive .50 AE shell for usage in a 9mm pistol. Or reclaiming M4 rifles that have been in the open for probably a couple of years.
I honestly try not to think too much about it, but damn.
Like wildcatting an absolutely massive .50 AE shell for usage in a 9mm pistol. Or reclaiming M4 rifles that have been in the open for probably a couple of years.
I honestly try not to think too much about it, but damn.
While true, what separates good shows from this one is that a good show's next problem is something fresh that builds upon what has come before in a natural way. TWD is stuck in limbo by regurgitating the same problem again and again and again. Find a new settlement/meet new people. Things go good for a while. Then things go bad. Battle ensues. Proceed back to step 1. Lather, rinse, repeat for the farm, the prison, Woodbury, Terminus, Alexandria, the Hilltop, and the Saviors stuff, Like, whenever Negan is defeated, we all know what will happen next. There will be peace for 3-4 episodes, then a new threat will rise, and the cycle begins anew. And worst of all, despite having been through these time after time again, all evidence points to Rick and Co. not learning anything from past mistakes.
TheRagnCajun
Member
Well it seemed like Negan's group has almost god-like omniscience when they trapped Rick's group on the road. I think it's safe to assume that Negan knows everything at all times. Dwight was prepared to side with Rick but chickened out when it didn't go his way. How Dwight never heard about Negan's deal with the garbage people remains a plot hole.
Grizzlyjin
Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
True. I'd probably say that's because the show is reluctant to stray too far from the source material. But I also don't think the audience would want the show to diverge from that pattern, as much as they claim to detest it. Any episode that hasn't had a major character death has been called "filler." Which is interesting because even in other shows that are from adapted material, you don't see that accusation for every episode. Is the show spinning its wheels? Without question. But a lot of shows do, and I don't see the filler issue come up nearly as often.
The show could become more introspective so the threats would rise above Violent Group Leader #4, but is that even what the fans really want? I don't think dissatisfaction is about the writing being worse, I think it's because the production has gotten sloppier.
hey_monkey
Banned
Rating: Shit sucks, will hate again come next season.
I have never loved a forum poster like I love you now.
Justin Bailey
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They need a new type of problem to solve, such as, how to cure the zombie disease.
I'd love to see a focus on that too, but I don't get the sense they care about that. At all. I think the S1 finale is as close to a cure as this show is ever going to get.
Funky Papa
FUNK-Y-PPA-4
Introducing a military faction running shit like the Brotherhood of Steel in Fallout could also be a good change in terms of plot and force dynamics.
I mean, Negan is scary and has a lot of bodies, but he ain't got tanks or recon drones. This is the kind of show that could easily transition towards something more Jericho-like with so little effort while keeping the survivalist theme alive.
I mean, Negan is scary and has a lot of bodies, but he ain't got tanks or recon drones. This is the kind of show that could easily transition towards something more Jericho-like with so little effort while keeping the survivalist theme alive.
Meh I don't think that should be a focus. I think TWD works best as a mystery (in terms of how zombies came to be and what can be done about it). I'm all for them looking for a solution, similar to what we saw with Rick wanting to go to the CDC, or Eugene claiming he's got answers or a way to turn everything around, as it makes sense for characters to want those answers, but I don't think we should actually get into the "science" of things. To me it's kinda like midichlorians. It's just unnecessary in a drama about people coping with extreme settings.
I DO think, however, the show needs to be completely reworked and there needs to be an emphasis on how characters interact and what it means for their journey in a zombie apocalypse. Walkers need to be "reintroduced" as a threat as well.
I too would like to see this. I don't care what kind of hocus pocus it takes. Give them a new mutation or something. I don't care. Right now they are background fodder for human "drama". But the drama sucks so....
Yeah, introduce some sort of scientist who had made progress in bringing zombies back to life, but it didn't work fully and just ended up creating faster smarter zombies. Then the super zombies are able to infect other zombies with the same mutation by biting other zombies, and they are smart enough to know that on some level.
They need to be faster and smarter to make them scary again.
Didn't the CDC or something say the French were still working on it?
Would be cool if a group of French took a boat to D.C., and were captured by the Saviors or something.
And then Eugene exposed as a fraud.
At least some discussion about a cure would be cool.
I get the temptation to escalate the zombie threat by changing the dynamics, but I do think that sets a new precedent for the show that works against its original premise.
To me, it's lazy dismissal (as a writer). "We don't know how to make zombies thrilling or dangerous anymore.. so how about we make them BIGGER AND BETTER!" I think that's a trap a lot of shows/movies fall into because it's easy. I think it makes the problem even worse because now normal walkers are essentially useless fodder.
I don't think there would be a lot of desire for it if the show were run differently. But now you can have two people who can apparently clear hundreds of walkers by themselves, all while casually popping of rounds in line of sight.
If we can all agree on one thing though I think it's that the show needs an overhaul to be even a little interesting or fresh, at this point.
I wish they would be forced out of state. New setting. New tone. Higher stakes maybe?
Poor GRIMES
Banned
This is a problem that exists in the comics as well. Probably due to Kirkman basically refusing to even think about a possible ending/resolution/cure.
The whole survivalist angle could at least be interesting but the show hasn't focused on that since Season 2. Instead, we will get the show you described, stuck in perpetual limbo, until the actors decide they want to move on. And when that comes, I highly doubt the conclusion will be worthwhile.
Oh man, and we thought the deer CGI was bad. They would never be able to pull this off unfortunately
ToyMachine228
Member
I think that's the generic zombie movie/show plot. The cure. The Walking Dead isn't about that. There's no coming back. There is no cure. Life isn't going back to normal. I think that's part of the shows story. How do people adjust to this new world.
Agreed. Focus should be on surviving and accepting the new reality.
ZackieChan
Member
I really like that they've shifted from survival to trying to live as interconnected communities. I wish they had done that for a little bit before jumping into the Saviors storyline, tbh.
Ugh, people acting like adding fast zombies is the way to go.
AbsolutBro
Member
FTFY.
Even bigger than Glenn and Abraham dying, the steady phasing out of walkers as anything but scenery eroded any interest I had in this show. I am very tired of the repeated (over)use of the "Hell is Other People" trope. Let the Walkers be a threar or at the very least an actual thing again.
How about the fact that EVERYONE ran instead of shoot the tiger.
The Walking Dead isn't for you then. There are plenty of issues with the show but if you're looking for the actual zombies to be the main threat, that's not going to happen. That isn't the comics either.
What? Kirkman has said a couple times at this point that he knows how the comic will end. He even talked about it with Kevin Smith and Greg Grunberg on that AMC show Geeking out. Which was back in like October or whatever.
Agreed. That's when the show is at its peak.
IdreamofHIME
Member
We're too many years in for that, if you're not growing your food..you ain't eating.
Gaius Cassius
Member
I just wish the zombie threat returned with making the herds more frequent and deadly. I liked that last season, with the constant threat of being overrun at the gate by thousands of them. They could have easily used the inter connected communities theme as a reason for cooperation, to survive an onslaught of herds now and then. It just seems like everyone is unafraid to fire off a gun now, let alone a hundred guns and explosives! I mean how loud do you think the events in this season's finale was?
Just got around to watching the season finale tonight, Couple of questions.
1. Did they ever show how
2. Who left the
1. Did they ever show how
Sasha got captured at Sanctuary in the last episode? It shows her sneak in, then in the cell, but no confrontation or explanation of how she got caught.
2. Who left the
cat figurine that said "I didn't know"
No they didn't and Dwight left it. Also no need to use the spoiler tags after the episodes have aired.
Ok thanks.
BenjiGAF
Member
This aspect of it never occurred to me until now
TangoAlphaLima
Member
I don't know how this show does it, but it continues to up itself every time. It gets dumber and dumber all the time.
I'm officially hate watching.
I'm officially hate watching.
Is it that hard to accept that this show has its own ruleset for degradation of items? There should not be a single working car left in the entire world, yet these guys drive all over the place like it's nothing. Gasoline should have long since been rendered inert, and even if it wasn't then regular repair and maintenance would be impossible since it'd be difficult to find replacement parts. At some point you have to expect that realism is just too inconvenient for a show like this.
VenomousCoffee
Member
I'm actually okay with convenience on things like guns, gas, and food, since I'd rather watch a show with those things than without.
My criticisms are directed at the writing and directing.
My criticisms are directed at the writing and directing.
Gas seems like a problem. But it's only been a couple years so I don't think it's unreasonable that there's some working cars still in existence.
Game of Thrones's about to get zombie as fuck, I think.
Gas octane will degrade over time but that doesn't mean it straight up won't work.
Probably about 2-3 years is the max but your cars will run like shit and have terrible knocking.
Are we 3 years after the event?
Would be interesting if they explored this in the show, and the need to get fuel stabilizers and octane boosters to keep the gas working.
Eventually maybe have to seek out refineries to see if any groups have one running.
Yeah apparently it still isn't 2 years after the event. Gas and diesel would still work, unleaded isn't going to run all that well at this point. Diesel lasts longer iirc.
throwawayname
Member
Just started watching Batman v Superman, didn't know Negan and Maggie were Batman's parents.
VenomousCoffee
Member
If it's supposed to be under 2 years later, they did a poor job of casting Shane's daughter.
Yeah she looks more like 3-4 than under 2.
The wiki or whatever says 9/11 months season 6 lol.
It almost has to have been 2 years at this point, just based on the baby. We will definitely be at 2 years once Maggie has had her kid.
I don't know why it really matters, though. They aren't going to suddenly remove cars from the show after 2 years' time have past. That would significantly scale back on the kinds of stories they can tell. The comics are way beyond the show and I presume they're still using cars there.
Well, they actually could build in a story about finding a refinery with a group there actually capable of running it.
ZackieChan
Member
Sounds fascinating. But that ain't TWD. Imagine the "filler" complaints as they try to learn how to refine gasoline...
Yet, 7 seasons in, you're still watching and posting on GAF about it.
Also, there are other network zombie shows.
It'd still be a weird limiting factor, since nobody outside of Rick's group would be able to use a car. And nobody in Rick's group would be able to travel further than a tank of gas would last. As-is, we just quietly assume they're stopping and siphoning gas from wrecked vehicles.....but that falls apart if the all the world's gas goes bad.
Hahaha. Like I said earlier in this thread, this show is the oddest choice for hate watching. When it's good, it's great. When it's bad, it's just slow and boring. I can't see myself sitting through 7 seasons of a show just to hate my life for an hour and complain about it on message boards. Don't understand these people.
hey_monkey
Banned
Nah, she still has a super chubby face and rounded limbs, and doesn't really use words. She's under 3.
near
Gold Member
Finally got around to watching the season finale today, and it was pretty good but I hated it. Does that make sense? The episode is well directed, excellent scene composition, powerful performances with a solid farewell to Sasha. But like my former complaints this season, community battles aren't working anymore and this finale is setting the pace for a war that will be milked into season 8's finale. Negan will probably not die by then either. I think this will be my TWD finale, which works well with Maggie's stupid end monolgue.
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
1. She was captured after running in guns blazing for no reason
2. Dwight left it to indicate he didn't know about the garbage people betrayal