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Yeah I'm hoping this craters A7RII prices...granted glass is a problem for me as well since I'd have to start looking at Canon glass to adapt...

Anybody with a D5 or 1DX already has a shit ton of lenses for those cameras already so it's less of a problem or will just sell their D4S on ebay to invest in it. I'm not sure a Sony pro has that same luxury.

Yeah, with a smaller lens selection the body must have some killer features to be worth the change.

Anyway, a lot of things I wish were present on the A7RM2. Support for UHS-II SD cards, better battery, joystick, touch focus...
 
Jason Lanier is probably ecstatic about this. Dude has the money and is willing to pay for top shelf Sony gear, and looooooves the mirrorless world more than I do haha.



Pretty much all of them are great -- it's really just a question of what price point you're aiming at.
I saw one of his gear vids once, googled the prices and was like, "Nope." He loves that stuff though, he shoots weird to me though, I'm a viewfinder shooter so it just looks odd to me.
 

Thraktor

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There's one worrying aspect of the A9 for me (not that I'd ever have the money to buy one, anyway): it uses a fully electronic shutter. It doesn't have a physical shutter at all, even as a fallback at lower shutter speeds/frame rates. While this may be all well and good to keep it "silent and vibration free", if leaves the issue of rolling shutter, which could be a big problem for sports photographers (who this is supposed to be aimed at). I'd be interested to see if impressions of the camera mention this, or if they've implemented some kind of software correction for it.
 
I saw one of his gear vids once, googled the prices and was like, "Nope." He loves that stuff though, he shoots weird to me though, I'm a viewfinder shooter so it just looks odd to me.

Yeah, the Sony ecosystem was attractive to me due to the vintage compatibility, but I still like to watch his videos from time to time. I just kinda love his enthusiasm for the system even if it comes from a different place haha.

He's on the Sony "Artisans of Imagery " (lol) program. I bet he gets some gear and/or discounts.

If it means anything, he's actually said that there's no financial incentive for him. No discounts or such, he said main advantage is that it gets people to check him out, and Sony listens to him when he talks.
 
There's one worrying aspect of the A9 for me (not that I'd ever have the money to buy one, anyway): it uses a fully electronic shutter. It doesn't have a physical shutter at all, even as a fallback at lower shutter speeds/frame rates. While this may be all well and good to keep it "silent and vibration free", if leaves the issue of rolling shutter, which could be a big problem for sports photographers (who this is supposed to be aimed at). I'd be interested to see if impressions of the camera mention this, or if they've implemented some kind of software correction for it.
Somebody on here posted what the silent shutter did to a low light pic and it created banding I think, it didn't look great and probably something I wouldn't see an actual pro going for, then again, that's just me and I'm not an expert on stuff like that.
He's on the Sony "Artisans of Imagery " (lol) program. I bet he gets some gear and/or discounts.
He claims he doesn't, but who knows really.
Yeah, the Sony ecosystem was attractive to me due to the vintage compatibility, but I still like to watch his videos from time to time. I just kinda love his enthusiasm for the system even if it comes from a different place haha.
I like a lot of the tech in mirrorless honestly, but at the same time, it's just tech and helps video shooters out more than me, not to mention I like physical buttons, the layouts of Sony's just don't mesh with me. I'd have to map very specific things to the Fn buttons, which I'd probably have to spend a day dealing with.
 

Ty4on

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There's one worrying aspect of the A9 for me (not that I'd ever have the money to buy one, anyway): it uses a fully electronic shutter. It doesn't have a physical shutter at all, even as a fallback at lower shutter speeds/frame rates. While this may be all well and good to keep it "silent and vibration free", if leaves the issue of rolling shutter, which could be a big problem for sports photographers (who this is supposed to be aimed at). I'd be interested to see if impressions of the camera mention this, or if they've implemented some kind of software correction for it.

It has a mechanical shutter
[xiv] Still images, mechanical shutter: ISO 100 – 51200 expandable to ISO 50 – 204800.
The question is how much do you lose by using it and how much rolling shutter does the electronic one have :S

lol
– BC-QZ1 Battery Charger: Quick-charging battery charger. Charges one new Z series battery in approximately 2.5 hours.
"Quick-charging"
 
There's one worrying aspect of the A9 for me (not that I'd ever have the money to buy one, anyway): it uses a fully electronic shutter. It doesn't have a physical shutter at all, even as a fallback at lower shutter speeds/frame rates. While this may be all well and good to keep it "silent and vibration free", if leaves the issue of rolling shutter, which could be a big problem for sports photographers (who this is supposed to be aimed at). I'd be interested to see if impressions of the camera mention this, or if they've implemented some kind of software correction for it.
It's a stacked sensor. The readout is so much faster that it eliminates the need for physical shutter. There's a reason they're using a 24mp sensor and it's not just ISO. At such a readout speed there should be no rolling shutter at all nor the banding usually associated with electronic shutters.
 

sankt-Antonio

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There's one worrying aspect of the A9 for me (not that I'd ever have the money to buy one, anyway): it uses a fully electronic shutter. It doesn't have a physical shutter at all, even as a fallback at lower shutter speeds/frame rates. While this may be all well and good to keep it "silent and vibration free", if leaves the issue of rolling shutter, which could be a big problem for sports photographers (who this is supposed to be aimed at). I'd be interested to see if impressions of the camera mention this, or if they've implemented some kind of software correction for it.

Doesn't the 20xreadout speed mitigate this problem? Before a e-shutter was never as fast a mechanical one.

Very interesting Video.
 

Thraktor

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Somebody on here posted what the silent shutter did to a low light pic and it created banding I think, it didn't look great and probably something I wouldn't see an actual pro going for, then again, that's just me and I'm not an expert on stuff like that.

Banding can be an issue under artificial light (less so at very high shutter speeds, though). The bigger issue I can see for sports photographers is skewing (what you see on video from DSLR/mirrorless cameras when they quickly pan the camera). Sports photographers are constantly panning while shooting, and the effect is worst with long telephoto lenses, and typically worse with larger sensors. Obviously we won't know how bad it might be until we get some proper impressions, but if the camera makes every footballer look like he's standing at a 20 degree angle then I can't see it being very popular among sports photogs.

Edit:

It has a mechanical shutter

The question is how much do you lose by using it and how much rolling shutter does the electronic one have :S

Thanks for the clarification, I missed that in the details (they seem to be focussing almost entirely on the electronic shutter).

It's a stacked sensor. The readout is so much faster that it eliminates the need for physical shutter. There's a reason they're using a 24mp sensor and it's not just ISO. At such a readout speed there should be no rolling shutter at all nor the banding usually associated with electronic shutters.

Unless it's a true global shutter (which they'd have said if it was), then there's always going to be some rolling shutter without a physical shutter, the question is whether it's noticeable or not, and in what circumstances.

Doesn't the 20xreadout speed mitigate this problem? Before a e-shutter was never as fast a mechanical one.

Very interesting Video.

I haven't had a chance to watch the video yet, but he specifically says in the comments that there is banding under fluorescent lights, which indicates that rolling shutter hasn't been completely eliminated.
 
Banding can be an issue under artificial light (less so at very high shutter speeds, though). The bigger issue I can see for sports photographers is skewing (what you see on video from DSLR/mirrorless cameras when they quickly pan the camera). Sports photographers are constantly panning while shooting, and the effect is worst with long telephoto lenses, and typically worse with larger sensors. Obviously we won't know how bad it might be until we get some proper impressions, but if the camera makes every footballer look like he's standing at a 20 degree angle then I can't see it being very popular among sports photogs.
I would hope Sony tested that out, but you never know.
 
Somebody on here posted what the silent shutter did to a low light pic and it created banding I think, it didn't look great and probably something I wouldn't see an actual pro going for, then again, that's just me and I'm not an expert on stuff like that.

He claims he doesn't, but who knows really.

I like a lot of the tech in mirrorless honestly, but at the same time, it's just tech and helps video shooters out more than me, not to mention I like physical buttons, the layouts of Sony's just don't mesh with me. I'd have to map very specific things to the Fn buttons, which I'd probably have to spend a day dealing with.

I mean, I'm considering getting the 85 1.8 just for Eye AF -- about the only thing I'd want AF for.
 

Ty4on

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Electronic shutters are still not as fast as mechanical shutters.
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&#8211; VG-C3EM Vertical Grip: Provides same operation, handling and design as &#945;9, doubles battery life and allows USB battery-charging via the camera body.
This almost makes it sound like the high capacity battery isn't standard? Never mind, it is

The second seems to confirm that USB charging isn't available with the body alone.
 
I mean, I'm considering getting the 85 1.8 just for Eye AF -- about the only thing I'd want AF for.
85's are great. I mean yeah I probably wouldn't mind the stuff at all, but at the same time I do not want to invest in another lens ecosystem. It's not like I can't do perfectly fine with what I have.
 

Thraktor

Member
Who needs 1/32,000th of a second?

People who like pushing the ISO extremely high just to get enough light for a daytime shot? Seriously, though, it's just one of those things that's easy enough to implement with an electronic shutter, so they might as well (and it sounds good in the specs). My little GM1 can shoot at 1/16,000 in electronic shutter mode, but I've never come close to needing it.
 

Ty4on

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Minolta had a 1/12000th mechanical shutter with 1/300th flash sync back in the day ;_;

The Canon 1D had 1/16000th with 1/500th flash sync, but it was a cropped sensor (1.3x) using a full frame shutter.
 
And that's why you do 1/32000th, so that they aren't!
I know lol. I need to learn how to start underexposing a bit during the day time. The light meter in my camera is sort of half knackered. It's accurate, but man it's just odd for me after shooting at night for so many months straight to have all of this light bouncing off of skin.
 
Lmao I actually use ISO 50 when I'm shooting with my Nikon 50 1.4.

It's dumb as shit but I can do it so suck it? Lol.
IIRC, ISO50 is a "fake" ISO, in that it doesn't change the sensor at all but instead just drops EV on the file it saves -- ie, if it would be a blown highlight at ISO100, it will be a blown highlight at ISO50.

In regards to a7 systems, which I believe is what you use.
 
IIRC, ISO50 is a "fake" ISO, in that it doesn't change the sensor at all but instead just drops EV on the file it saves -- ie, if it would be a blown highlight at ISO100, it will be a blown highlight at ISO50.

Depends on the sensor. If it's an ISO rated 50, it shouldn't be that, instead of an expanded/boost/LO setting.
 

sankt-Antonio

:^)--?-<
What i take from the A9 is the fact that Sony seems so listen to its users,

people bitched about:

- rec button placement
- Joystick
- Battery life
- Menus
- Dual card slot
- fps
- touchscreen
- 400mm+ prime lens
etc.

And they made it happen.

Now i hope the fanbase starts to bitch about even better battery life, water/dust sealing, longlivety of the hardware and better (non-pro) support.
 

Thraktor

Member
While we're on the subject of newly announced gear that nobody can afford, I found this pretty interesting:

1255164046.jpg


Fujifilm just announced a 110mm f/2 lens for their GF mount (medium format mirrorless). One of the criticisms of the GFX 50S is that the lens lineup doesn't have much in the way of wide apertures, which negates two of the big advantages of using a larger sensor (better low light performance and shallower depth of field). This looks like the perfect portrait lens, though, at 87mm equivalent and pretty much the widest aperture you're going to get on a medium format lens. It doesn't look too big, either, given the wide aperture. Of course it's $2799 (ignoring the cost of the camera itself), but it's definitely going on the "if I win the lottery" list.

The also announced a 23mm f/4 (18mm equivalent), for those more interested in the wide angle end of things.
 
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Considering I'm mostly taking pictures of my kids running around, that A9 looks incredible and probably what I should have waited for instead of picking up an A7RII last year. Oh well! I don't think I can stomach that price tag anyway.
 

Brandson

Member
Amateur photographer here thinking of making the jump from a Pentax K7 to Sony this year. From what I've seen in shootouts, the A7Rii seems to be a better choice over the A7Sii for me. I mainly shoot still pictures with prime lenses, and am definitely not shooting sports professionally.

Leaving aside price, would you pick an A7Rii or A9? Or should I wait for an A9r next year?
 
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Amateur photographer here thinking of making the jump from a Pentax K7 to Sony this year. From what I've seen in shootouts, the A7Rii seems to be a better choice over the A7Sii for me. I mainly shoot still pictures with prime lenses, and am definitely not shooting sports professionally.

Leaving aside price, would you pick an A7Rii or A9? Or should I wait for an A9r next year?

I love my A7Rii, but I would recommend waiting a while. The A7 series are all due for a refresh sooner than later I would imagine.

Weren't there rumors that the A9r was going to have something like 70 megapixels? Managing those files would be insane, in my opinion.
 
Amateur photographer here thinking of making the jump from a Pentax K7 to Sony this year. From what I've seen in shootouts, the A7Rii seems to be a better choice over the A7Sii for me. I mainly shoot still pictures with prime lenses, and am definitely not shooting sports professionally.

Leaving aside price, would you pick an A7Rii or A9? Or should I wait for an A9r next year?

I mean, if price is no object (though I'm a firm believer of value products), then it comes down to if you think you need the extra pixels of the A7RII. Purely on a pixel count, the A7RII beats the A9, but the A9 is in every other way superior, particularly in the EVF category, which is an important category for a MILC.
 

Rentahamster

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Nope, as per the specifications page the flash sync speed is 1/250. Hasselblads with in-lens leaf shutters tend to win in that department (which isn't too surprising, given how much they're used for studio photography).
Boo. There goes any interest I had in that product, unless I missed something.

While we're on the subject of newly announced gear that nobody can afford, I found this pretty interesting:

1255164046.jpg


Fujifilm just announced a 110mm f/2 lens for their GF mount (medium format mirrorless). One of the criticisms of the GFX 50S is that the lens lineup doesn't have much in the way of wide apertures, which negates two of the big advantages of using a larger sensor (better low light performance and shallower depth of field). This looks like the perfect portrait lens, though, at 87mm equivalent and pretty much the widest aperture you're going to get on a medium format lens. It doesn't look too big, either, given the wide aperture. Of course it's $2799 (ignoring the cost of the camera itself), but it's definitely going on the "if I win the lottery" list.
That's pretty sexy, but the 120mm f4 that they launched with already has a crazy thin DoF if you're focusing close. There are also other (cheaper) lens options out there that go as far as f2.8 because of all the adapters that are out.

Still, that sounds pretty crazy. f2.0 on MF...lol

The also announced a 23mm f/4 (18mm equivalent), for those more interested in the wide angle end of things.

That's actually pretty interesting. Not too many wide and good options for MF. It's interesting how Fuji is bringing out lenses that are hard to get. Wide apertures below f2.8, and focal lengths under 45mm.
 
Leaving aside price, would you pick an A7Rii or A9? Or should I wait for an A9r next year?
Leaving aside price it's only really a matter if the extra features out-weight the 42mp of the AR7M2. Everything else is just better on the A9. But again, it's really hard to put aside price since the A9 is almost twice the price.
I don't even know what they can add to an hypothetical A9R to differentiate it.
 

Radec

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https://youtu.be/y9Ui4Z7RAqc

Leaving aside price it's only really a matter if the extra features out-weight the 42mp of the AR7M2. Everything else is just better on the A9. But again, it's really hard to put aside price since the A9 is almost twice the price.
I don't even know what they can add to an hypothetical A9R to differentiate it.

For the A9R, they can do
50-70mp
Fps like the A7rii
AF like the A9
Better ISO than A7rii

Then A9S that shoots at native iso 100-512,000
 
Fake shmake ISO it doesn't matter, people won't know the difference anyway unless they're pixel peeping or looking st the EXIF data lol.

Joking aside, I always thought it was some kind of bullshit lol. First time I saw it, I scratched my head and was like who the fnck even needs this?? Good to know it's just some fakery haha.

How is a camera noisy passed ISO 100? That's crazy. Old digital really is a crime.

The iPhone 7+ is one. I was super excited to shoot in raw/dng but it just exposes the flaws of the camera instead of helping you lol.
 
The iPhone 7+ is one. I was super excited to shoot in raw/dng but it just exposes the flaws of the camera instead of helping you lol.
With the size of phone camera sensors I'm not surprised. I'm never looking forward to phone cameras, then again why would I? The depth of field on those is pretty horrible on them as well.
 
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https://youtu.be/y9Ui4Z7RAqc



For the A9R, they can do
50-70mp
Fps like the A7rii
AF like the A9
Better ISO than A7rii

Then A9S that shoots at native iso 100-512,000

Holy shit at that no blackout shutter. That's honestly kind of a game changer when combined with the fast focusing. It's like you're recording a video but taking high quality stills.
 
With the size of phone camera sensors I'm not surprised. I'm never looking forward to phone cameras, then again why would I? The depth of field on those is pretty horrible on them as well.

Yeah it's good enough for amateur and on the go photography.

I still carry a NEX-5 and a 28mm f3.5 in my bag just for when I really want some good shit, otherwise I just use my 7+.
 
Yeah it's good enough for amateur and on the go photography.

I still carry a NEX-5 and a 28mm f3.5 in my bag just for when I really want some good shit, otherwise I just use my 7+.
I think if I opt for a smaller on the go camera it might be like a G85 or something. I have no love for phone cameras at all.
 

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