No man, i was listing examples of how they could make it racist since i was replying to the idea of "having the black character wear a kfc outfit", the whole point is precisely that i don't think they will do something like that, because not only would it be racist, but it also wouldn't even make contextual sense.
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Inkling Boy & Girl are the first black non-Mii characters in Mario Kart
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No man, i was listing examples of how they could make it racist since i was replying to the idea of "having the black character wear a kfc outfit", the whole point is precisely that i don't think they will do something like that, because not only would it be racist, but it also wouldn't even make contextual sense.
Dangansona
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That's pretty sweet. Man, I kind of just want to buy a Switch for Mario Kart 8 even though I already own it on Wii U.
I certainly wouldn't go that far. I was familiar enough with manga/anime way back to realize the only black character in say like Bleach was Tousen.
Smiles and Cries
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Yup. For the record, there were seven skin tones in Splatoon.
Where did you get that photo is should say Pick your SunScreen UVA/UVB protection
Vulcano's assistant
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one has to haggle from the top
It's crazy. The same people who think people care too much about the skin colors of characters are the ones who wind up so bent out of shape about there being a 'forced' black character.
Like, they just have their own shit they need to work out away from everyone else.
Smiles and Cries
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Yeah Naruto goes further than Bleach
I did stop reading Bleach too many years ago kinda forgot they were not going all in with a whole clan like Naruto did
Smiles and Cries
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hey there are 6 choices only 2 of them match my fantasy world for role playing.
Nah, I am not losing anything by giving away 4 unlike some folks who want to own them all. I only want what I need for my use.
If I were to do that, I just wasted the past few hours fighting with myself.
Greed breeds Hypocrisy
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Very dumb feature considering its the only way you could get a darker skin tone. Indefinitely diminish my experience playing animal crossing
Garrett Hawke
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I woud argue it isn't just anime, depending who's drawing your mind fills in the blanks. Sometimes art style isn't supposed to appropriately emulate how real humans look 100% there are blanks to fill in.
Whats even more odd about the tan suggestion, is that there are black people in reality who exist who don't fall under that. Forget artistic distinction, this persons suggestion of just being tan ignores reality.
spindashing
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Yoooo lmao, too good.
Glad that you can pick the darker shades for these two though!
Smiles and Cries
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I think they could still have the feature for tanning in Animal Crossing if they wanted to as long as you can select your default Skin at the start. It is not much of a Sim if I cannot play as myself. The Mii Head work around sucked because my arms was still white smh.
Tanning / Bleaching puts a real hard spotlight on race issues though.
I think something as charming and cute as Animal Crossing needs to be more inclusive in general so adding a little tropical island was cute and tanning was the natural extension and I don't think the developers took out selectable skins to piss me off.
I think they took it out so tanning would be appealing which sucks for us who are born with 24/7 tans
Maybe the tanning feature does not work if you allowed skin selection, whatever it was it was a pain.
the next black character I want in MK8D would be this guy
CrackPebbles
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That makes me really happy. I'll be maining inkling girl.
Baron von Loathsome
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Can I just say I appreciates TheProphet's use of "pwned" in the year 2017.
Also, RE: Animal Crossing, with Happy Home Designer, it seems the team have listened to the complaints, and skin tone is now an option, so hopefully they continue with that in the next proper Animal Crossing so one doesn't have to rely on tanning. (And a minor improvement is the Welcome Amiibo update did fix the Mii arm issue)
Also, RE: Animal Crossing, with Happy Home Designer, it seems the team have listened to the complaints, and skin tone is now an option, so hopefully they continue with that in the next proper Animal Crossing so one doesn't have to rely on tanning. (And a minor improvement is the Welcome Amiibo update did fix the Mii arm issue)
Smiles and Cries
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you are still my bro.
I think Nintendo is slowly changing.
I can play as Dark Link
And the hard versions of all the enemies in Breath of the Wild are no longer dark this or dark that.
Most of them are Rare or Silver, which is a nice change of pace when dark anything represents evil.
I think they can do a lot more. Pokemon is miles ahead of Nintendo in general but if they can use the upcoming Mario's travel to new places to add new characters for people who felt left out those jokes will some be gone when we have real representation to point at.
Is HHD a DLC for New Leaf or a stand alone smaller game? I forget
It's own game. It replaced the questions and answers system for choosing your look with a more standard menu interface.
TylersProphecy
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Yet again, the assumption that one is white (or any color) is racist. You can color me in your mind as what you want (though, obviously it's easier for you to view me as white instead of a black guy with an open mind), but you just assumed a character trait about me based on my (assumed) skin color. Also, why is it exactly a bad thing for white people to be fragile about people being racist towards them? How is that not a complete hypocrisy to criticize people over being race sensitive and to congratulate another group for inclusion? The topic about which a racist view or opinion is made doesn't matter when the base notion itself IS racist. Basically, the original post could have not mentioned white people at all but it does and I called it out as a factually racist statement, the end.
The only people who make these arguments are defensive white people.
Signed by me, a white person.
TylersProphecy
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Wow, anecdotal evidence to promote racism. THAT'S new.
PS, I'm not white. Let's see if you can insult my gender while your at it, go for the whole shebang.
freethoughtbubble
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Hahaha nice.
Smiles and Cries
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Asking is this racist? Was baiting man. You are going to get the reply you expected.
"...a black guy with an open mind." <--- To answer your question, yes that is racist
see how that works?
Shikamaru Ninja
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Isn't it less about being black (like the social construct of "black") but adding skin tones that can fit a variety of people?
You're pretty sensitive if you consider it racist to acknowledge the fact that in the western world white people have been privileged for centuries and generally aren't too concerned/aware of things like racial diversity in media.
test_account
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Well, Mario is also in the game, hes mexican.
TylersProphecy
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Asking is this racist? Was baiting man. You are going to get the reply you expected.
"...a black guy with an open mind." <--- To answer your question, yes that is racist
see how that works?
Yep. See how I can admit I made a racist comment? I was actually wrong and have no problem admitting it. The point still stands that I can be not white (and am) and still think that and the thought that I can't be is racist. Also, I didn't ask if something was racist, I straight up said it was (unless you're talking about my follow up statement). Every human on the planet has prejudices, but sometimes people can realize them if you point them out. That's why i said the first post I commented on was indeed racist like you said mine was and my god, wat do you know, I kinda learned to choose my words more carefully in the future. Anyways, this is far off topic, I just hate watching white people get treated the way so many of us don't want to be, sorry if that makes me an apologist for "white fragility".
Baron von Loathsome
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Screamapillar
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You say that as if Nintendo has announced the extent of the ARMS roster, and there are no minorities. Maybe wait til the roster is announced?
TylersProphecy
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You're right, I am sensitive over it because it's generalizing an entire group based on their skin color, aka racism.
Ok, I don't want to go anymore off topic though.
I'm glad that mk8 has dark toned squidlings.
Good thing you swooped in to defend white people, they needed it. /s
The origin of big eyes in anime, and a lot of the common visual elements in general, are because the first animes were heavily influenced by American Donald Duck and Scrooge comics.
TylersProphecy
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Sooooooo...Racism=ok as long as it's directed towards whitey. Got it. /S
Mihael Mello Keehl
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Of course but some people dont understand that. As black man I generally am happy with any shades of brown or darker skin tones because you dont see it much. If there's a game with no black but hispanic I end up picking hispanic characters or changing my character to match it. If I am to play dark pit or lil mac in smash I pick the tan ones.
test_account
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Thats a cool drawing
I always think of Chad Warden when it comes to Mario being mexican hehe.
Smiles and Cries
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Yes you are correct it is just a visual representation, and pretty much a good move to allow people of all races choices like these instead of not having any choice at all.
Why downplay the fact that this kind of choice has never been there before?
This is a way, for a black kid can say I am a Black Inkling, same goes for our Hispanic brothers and sisters, and our paler whiter bros.
It works because everyone has a visual representation that fits who they feel they are. If the choice is even desired it can be made. And Nintendo does not even have to put out a Press Release during Kwanzaa to say they value the black community.
They did not have to play the race politics we are getting into here in this thread.
Nintendo needs threads like these to know when they missed something.
Nintendo failed to see that globally they needed to provide this choice.
Don't downplay the importance of being included in the hobby you love.
At the end of the day Nintendo is just a Toy company. They don't have to be part of the race wars or some human created mess.
But this is like a Toy Company who has 10 production lines and they all produce White Dolls. When there are kids of 9 other shades.
When that first Brown, and Black doll comes out it is a big deal.
I can tell you the year my little sister got her first brown skinned doll. They were very rare and expensive but my mom felt it was important.
These things matter. It is time that the gaming community stop giving this shit a shrug of the shoulders.
InterMusketeer
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Good on them for including this. The main reason it took this long is probably that the Inkling source material allows for this a bit better. If nothing else, maybe Mario Kart 9 can introduce an original black character kinda like Waluigi; never appeared in any of the mainline games, but just made up for multiplayer games.
Smiles and Cries
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You post this when you have not read the 10 replies, maybe read the thread?
So far ARMS has no representation for me. The replies point out leaks and I already made it clear that Minmin for black folks is a bad idea.
Smiles and Cries
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I am not going to call you anything that you are not already mindful of.
But let us get back on Topic. This is about Nintendo giving choices in skin tone.
This was a feature in the first Splatoon title and the Inklings going to Mario Kart gave us black kids a chance to be black squids
Do you have a position in this discussion or are you just here to point out how misguided humans are?
Stereogatari
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I never noticed before.
I don't know if that's bad or good.
I don't know if that's bad or good.
Messofanego
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White has been default in media for so long, so it's not surprising you wouldn't notice.
At least watch out for people who don't understand the issue and go on about colourblindedness or how skin colour shouldn't matter because they're not humans, or people of colour shouldn't look to videogames for representation.
Garrett Hawke
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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=112127743&postcount=1But... They aren't even human.
Mario Kart is really not the gaming franchise to discuss when talking about diversity and representation in games, there are like only four human characters? If we can call them that, Peach is from the toad species as far as I know
idk, a lot of them are baby variants but even there that's immediately 7 white people
Milly Osworth
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Is the focus on black because gaf is mainly America? Because its always about the black race with these talks and never about other races.
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