Killer Queen
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I don't see Luke being killed unless Snoke is involved. Luke isn't some punk and he sure as hell isn't going down like one.
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Kaneda Shotaro
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He can take care of himself, don't worry
Trigonometrize.
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I think I'd actually sooner bet on Kylo dying in this movie rather than Luke. Kylo killing off another OT hero to the protagonist's dismay would actually be lame from a overall structure perspective. The context would have to be really different for it to be interesting enough to throw in there.
Also, Luke would kick Kylo's ass into space.
Killer Queen
Banned
if anything I'd say it cements him as a more fearsome villain after his defeat on Starkiller base. But I don't think that he'll be able to do it if Snoke isn't involved.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I will repeat.
I want Luke Skywalker chucking hadokens in this movie.
Fucking big ballin' ass Metsu Hadokens.
I want Luke Skywalker chucking hadokens in this movie.
Fucking big ballin' ass Metsu Hadokens.
But is he flicking on his green saber
Bobby Roberts
Banned
What if it's white now
Luke should be able to kick Kylo Ren's ass into space, but I imagine Kylo will have just completed Snoke's training, so he'll get a power up in the film.
Also, Luke doesn't have his lightsaber so I'm not sure what he can do to defend himself.
Why white? I mean shit that would look cool but what's his incentive to go back and change it?
Killer Queen
Banned
I'm saying Kylo Ren vs Luke would obviously go to Luke.
But Kylo Ren & Snoke vs Luke might prove more difficult. Maybe Rey is running to try to save him but is too late and watches Kylo Ren deliver the killing blow instead.
Trigonometrize.
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Bobby Roberts
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Maybe the color drains out of it.
Like some other former Jedi we know
Like some other former Jedi we know
Kaneda Shotaro
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Why is everyone presuming Snoke is even in fighting shape? I assumed from 7 and rumors that the dude is a great manipulator and talker but has no powers. He's tricked everyone into fearing him and uses Ben to take out his stronger enemies. He definitely has dark side knowledge and knew what Palpatine was doing but I always assumed he lost his powers or something.
Which is also why I feel like Ben is going to kill him after he finds out the truth.
Which is also why I feel like Ben is going to kill him after he finds out the truth.
I can totally see them putting Kylo over by having him be the one to kill Luke, which would be so, so utterly lame IMO.
Trigonometrize.
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This is starting to sound like some Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince shit
When Han said to Kylo "He's just using you for your power, once he's done, he'll crush you". I feel like Snoke has to be powerful enough to at least "crush" Kylo, right?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Shit ain't professional wrestling. If Kylo kills Luke it's not like setup for a squash match or whatever. There's probably gonna be some justification for it, and the execution is going to make it feel right.
Not following you. Color drains out of Kylo's saber? Isn't it just red? Sorry I'm lost
Luke vs Snoke for the world title at WrestleMania.
Kaneda Shotaro
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And why does every character have to die? Han filled the Obiwan role already, let Luke go on his way in 9 and whenever 10 comes out, he can be mentioned in passing or as legend etc.
Killer Queen
Banned
Snoke has dark side powers. Kylo Ren is one of his many apprentices. There's a lot implying that Snoke is pretty powerful
Yeah, he also tells Kylo to bring Rey to him in person. I imagine he wants to corrupt her or something like Palpatine tried with Luke in ROTJ.
Kaneda Shotaro
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I need to rewatch TFA lol. I always felt like he was in touch with the force but not actually able to use it anymore, instead manipulating a new generation of minds to get revenge (since he was waiting for Palaptine to fall and make his move).
That would be a pretty interesting theory had we not been given the context established in TFA.
I'm personally hoping he's a little guy like Yoda
Killer Queen
Banned
Snoke is like 8 feet tall. there are reports of him next to Kylo Ren since he's a puppet in the film.
Kaneda Shotaro
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Actually, that reminds me. In one of the books or visual data books, don't know which source, it says Snoke watched the Empire rise and fall with Palaptine. That he was waiting for his chance to take over. If Snoke is so powerful and a dark side user and he was around for the formation and fall of the Empire, why didn't he kill Palaptine himself or take him on then take his Empire?
I've been purposely not following production for months
Killer Queen
Banned
playing the long con. There are plenty of reasons he could have waited for the power vaccum to be opened up and there's also the fact that the period of the rise and fall of the empire is like 60-70 years.
Maybe he was young and his powers grew over that period.
whoops
but to be fair we've talked about it in this thread a couple times.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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If he's capable of outliving it and eventually picking up the pieces with little difficulty, why not wait?
Andy Serkis said Snoke is "powerful but vulnerable". I personally think he has ties to the mysterious threat in the Unknown Regions that Aftermath and Thrawn hint at, if not being that threat.
Kaneda Shotaro
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So either Disney is going to give a backstory as to how some random guy practiced the dark side for DECADES waiting for his chance to take power or they're going to brush it off. This guy sat around for decades? And what's his beef with Palpy? Why not start his own group when he's young, creating more chaos? He somehow knew in the long haul, the Jedi would be undone and the Empire would fall? I don't know, I wouldn't wait almost 60 years for chance happenings.
I actually never noticed how the Snoke/Kylo scene directly mirrors the one in ESB where the emperor senses a disturbance in the force when Luke blows up the death star. Makes you realize that there was probably the same type of "awakening" that we see in TFA, in ESB. Petty awesome poetry
It's not a big deal just letting you know for conversational purposes
brandonh83
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Snoke's an ass
WhiteRabbitEXE
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someone said the word
I don't know what to do
maybe astroturf?
I don't know what to do
maybe astroturf?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Ah-HA
Can someone explain this color draining shit
Ahsoka's blades are white though because she freed the crystals from an Inquisitor. Red lightsabers happen because dark siders make them "bleed" by imposing their will upon them.
She left her green sabers on Mandalore to make it look like she was killed during Order 66.
Killer Queen
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The thing is though. The Emperor also accumulated a lot of loyalty. I don't think trying to forcefully take over would have gone well with a lot of the Empire and he would have been ousted.
Waiting for there to be a power vaccum really was the best line of action. Because at least then he can sneak in and create a new order that's entirely loyal to him.
But really there are tons of reasons that he could have and rightfully should have waited.
what? I thought it was because of the Kyber crystal in the saber.
Waiting for there to be a power vaccum really was the best line of action. Because at least then he can sneak in and create a new order that's entirely loyal to him.
But really there are tons of reasons that he could have and rightfully should have waited.
what? I thought it was because of the Kyber crystal in the saber.
Kaneda Shotaro
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Never thought about that especially considering the EU was wiped...but my point is he watched Palaptine rise to power, before the Empire was formed. That's a RIDICULOUS amount of patience for anyone.
They could have a story about him attacking and barely escaping. But he was alive during the prequels and even had the patience THEN? Hot damn, he better not be undone by some punk kid after waiting a lifetime lol.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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I mean, maybe not literally that, but I definitely don't want to spend a lot of time with Luke twirling a blade, and I definitely do want - nay, need - to have a 'light mirror' of the holyshitwhatthefuck moment you had in Jedi with Palpatine's Force Lightning. After all, this is the most powerful Jedi ever, who has now spent years researching the earliest pieces of Jedi history, and it's the proper on-screen return of the original Star Wars hero. Dude better fuck some shit up hardcore like we've never seen before.
Also, as I've said before: ever since I watched the Mortis arc
I've NEEDED to see Luke grab a lightsaber blade. Or at the very minimum forcibly deactivate one. And THEN fuck shit up.
Caddywompus
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I bet Snoke ends up being the size of Yoda
Killer Queen
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You're assuming that he was actively waiting the entire time. But maybe he just saw the oppportunity and took it.
we've already gone over that he's not, like 10 minutes ago lol
That's Legends (even then, the Sith used synthetic crystals which came up red).
In canon, all kyber crystals are clear naturally. You may have noticed this on Jedha when the Partisans steal the crystals being guarded by the Imperial tank. The change to green, blue, purple, or yellow happens when a Jedi communes with the crystal for the first time. Dark siders force crystals to obey them rather than working with them in harmony, hence they turn red in "pain".
This is also presumably why the central beam of the Death Star superlaser is red before it turns green from the focusing lasers or whatever.
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