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Can we agree CW Villains> MCU Villains: Spoilers
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Sgt. Kabukiman
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Peter Stormare.
So, yes.
So, yes.
Lord Frieza
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Whatever, Tony Stark could build all of those in a cave, with scraps.
George Oscar Bluth II
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hydrophilic attack
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what is cw
Kingpin isn't part of the MCU, but even if we count him, CW still comes out on top
old manatee
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Pixar movies have better villains than MCU.
hipsterpants
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Well Flash S1 is better than any MCU movie so yes.
no doubt.
So then characters with an hour of screen time aren't as developed as those with whole seasons?
Sho_Nuff82
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Pandora012
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It's the network that houses most of the DC live action. If we count Vertigo. Fox has Lucifer and AMC has Preacher.
Shocking
Are we talking just the movies? If so, then of course, that's the benefit of it being on a TV show. (Also all the movie villains kinda suck)
If it includes the shows, then it becomes harder... Fisk, Kilgrave, Cottonmouth were amazing. Diamondback and whoever the fuck was the main villain in Iron Fist weren't.
But while CW has its issues with pacing and such, characters like Damien Darhk, Malcolm Meryln, Eobard, Slade, etc. ultimately even it out. Even more so with the whole recent Legion of Doom thing that was just pure joy.
If it includes the shows, then it becomes harder... Fisk, Kilgrave, Cottonmouth were amazing. Diamondback and whoever the fuck was the main villain in Iron Fist weren't.
But while CW has its issues with pacing and such, characters like Damien Darhk, Malcolm Meryln, Eobard, Slade, etc. ultimately even it out. Even more so with the whole recent Legion of Doom thing that was just pure joy.
The Elite
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I know people keep beating this drum but the Netflix shows are still technically MCU. They reference the films.
BoogieWoogie
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MCU villains have bigger problems than that.
Hours Left
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SHIELD has had the best villains IMO.
Malcolm Merlyn was insufferable on Arrow. His portrayal in LoT is slightly better, but still not a fan. (Not a slight against Barrowman as I think he's great, but they give him garbage to work with.)
Malcolm Merlyn was insufferable on Arrow. His portrayal in LoT is slightly better, but still not a fan. (Not a slight against Barrowman as I think he's great, but they give him garbage to work with.)
Didn't a couple of Marvel's top brass say they weren't. gonna need more than casual referecenes in the show.
mrhyderager
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Since when? I've seen no evidence that the NY of Netflix isn't the same one from Avengers 1. Has this been discussed somewhere that I missed?
Puck Beaverton
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Kingpin and Purple Man are not part of the MCU, so sure why not.
Praise Manu
Praise Manu
Prophet Steve
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Sure, one of the most disappointing things about the MCU is that the villains are bad.
I'm still frustrated that they made Ultron so menacing and interesting in the trailers but still made him a wise-cracking not intimidating bad guy.
Comparing it to the Marvel TV shows it gets much more difficult though.
I'm still frustrated that they made Ultron so menacing and interesting in the trailers but still made him a wise-cracking not intimidating bad guy.
Comparing it to the Marvel TV shows it gets much more difficult though.
Since the people who make the shows says so. don't think of the Netflix shows as fully canon.
The Elite
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Yup. For now. That doesn't meant it isn't part of the larger universe. Agents of SHIELD and the Netflix shows still exist in the same universe with the films despite any behind the scenes problems that have arisen between the top brass.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
They've said it's unlikely that the characters from the television shows and movies will crossover.
That doesn't mean it's not in the same universe.
Glass Rebel
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Tony Stark is the best CBM villain so no.
exactly.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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This dude might be the single worst villain I've had the displeasure of having to watch.
SpideySenses
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It's a TV vs. movie thing rather than DC vs. Marvel, the DCEU will struggle to ever to ever top Kingpin, television is just a better medium for fleshed out villains. It's also why a performance like Health Ledger as Joker is so exceptional.
And it is not even close. Loki is the only one that is somewhat memorable.
Zod is one of the better parts of Man of Steel, Bane is memorable as well, even the campy villains from the bad Batman films are remembered.
Zod is one of the better parts of Man of Steel, Bane is memorable as well, even the campy villains from the bad Batman films are remembered.
Puck Beaverton
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what about fox villains
WrenchNinja
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Yeah, they're easily better.
Kingpin was a giant crybaby. Manu/Wells>Kingpin anyday. Now the Purple man would be a different topic.
Goddamn did Diamondback suck.
The Elite
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I think you are misreading what I am typing. "For now" means that we haven't had any major crossover with the larger MCU. That's all. It doesn't mean it won't happen. There just aren't any plans for it. It's still part of the MCU and should be included in this discussion. You can't dismiss it because it conveniently supports your claim.
As for the topic, I think CW has had more good villains but MCU has had select great villains including Loki, Kingpin, Kilgrave, Grant Ward and AIDA. Agents of SHIELD has had some particularly great villains.
It's still an issue with the MCU films though. They have been weak on villains.
nah.
Veritigo_X
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Kingpin, Purple Man, AIDA, Cottonmouth are all top tier villains.
I'm a bit biased since I couldn't get into the CW shows.
I'm a bit biased since I couldn't get into the CW shows.
Grant Ward is equivalent to Manu/Wells
oo forgot about Cottonmouth. he was amazing.
MugiwaraCole
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