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Bloomberg: Is Justin Trudeau the anti Trump?

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Kinitari

Black Canada Mafia
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2017-04-26/is-justin-trudeau-the-anti-trump

And now for some more Canadian horn tooting, a really great (I think) interview with our P.M.

Read the whole thing, here's one excerpt

What happens to the general long-term rate of growth in Canada? When you look at the Western world at the moment, everyone’s sort of struggling with this. There is a suspicion that we suffer from secular stagnation. What are the ideas you’ve got that will make Canada outdo that?

One of the things at the root of the worries or anxieties that so many people have is that they see their jobs being replaced by automation. By AI. By robots. By various innovations and improvements in the technology that surrounds our workplaces. Instead of saying, “OK, well, how do we slow down the pace of automation and protect—through various barriers—our workforce?,” what we’ve chosen to do, and it was at the center of the most recent budget we’ve put forward a month ago, was how do we prepare citizens, our workers, to be part of the revolution in how our workplace functions? How are we encouraging K-to-12 students to learn how to code? How are we encouraging access to university, to career colleges, to technical and vocational schools for our students? But also, how do we take people who are in the workforce already, who are looking at their industry saying, “Wow, I need to change my industry or I need to get significantly more skills if I’m gonna continue to have a job 10 years from now,” and get them back into school? We put an awful lot of money that is focused on retraining and upskilling workers.

Really though, it's useful insight in, if not the mind of the P.M., at least his public facing face.
 
As an outsider I have one (limited) viewpoint of him, but asking to those that actually live there: Is he actually all that?

I'm asking because I've read some stuff about people where I'm from via the perspective of outsiders and sometimes it is way off the mark.
 

Trojita

Rapid Response Threadmaker
He seems like a beacon of light compared to the turd we got.

I haven't heard very nice things about how he has treated the native canadians though.
 
What have you learned about Donald Trump so far?

I’ve learned that he listens. He is a little bit unlike many politicians. That might be enough. Leave that sentence right there. As politicians, we’re very, very much trained to say something and stick with it.

Whereas he has shown that if he says one thing and then actually hears good counterarguments or good reasons why he should shift his position, he will take a different position, if it’s a better one, if the arguments win him over.

So I guess that's more evidence for the "Trump's position is determined by the last person he spoke to" pile.
 

Azzanadra

Member
No he isn't. I voted for Trudeau and he lied about electoral reform. He might be better than Trump (A LOT BETTER), but I regret voting for him- should have voted for Mulcair after all.
 

djkimothy

Member
He is the complete opposite of what Trump is that is for sure.

I mean, check out his wiki page...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Trudeau

University and early career
Trudeau, then 28, emerged as a prominent figure in October 2000, after delivering a eulogy at his father's state funeral.[65][66][67] The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation (CBC) received numerous calls to rebroadcast the speech after its initial transmission, and leading Quebec politician Claude Ryan described it as "perhaps [...] the first manifestation of a dynasty."[68] A book issued by the CBC in 2003 included the speech in its list of significant Canadian events from the past fifty years.[69]

Trudeau has a bachelor of arts degree in literature from McGill University and a bachelor of education degree from the University of British Columbia. In his first year at McGill, Trudeau became acquainted with his future Principal Secretary Gerald Butts, through their mutual friend, Jonathan Ablett[70] and Butts invited Trudeau to join the McGill Debating Union.[71] They bonded while driving back to Montreal after a debate tournament at Princeton University[70] in which the Princeton team included Ted Cruz, a candidate for the U.S. Republican Party's presidential nomination in 2016.[72] After graduation, he stayed in Vancouver and he found substitute work at several local schools and permanent work as a French and math teacher at the private West Point Grey Academy and was roommates at the Douglas Lodge[73] with fellow West Point Grey Academy faculty member and friend Christopher Ingvaldson.[70][74] From 2002 to 2004, he studied engineering at the École Polytechnique de Montréal, a part of the Université de Montréal.[75] He also started a master's degree in environmental geography at McGill University, before suspending his program to seek public office.[76]

In 2007, Trudeau starred in the two-part CBC Television miniseries The Great War, which gave an account of Canada's participation in the First World War. He portrayed Talbot Mercer Papineau, who was killed on October 30, 1917, during the Battle of Passchendaele.[77] Trudeau is one of several children of former prime ministers who have become Canadian media personalities. The others are Ben Mulroney (son of Brian Mulroney), Catherine Clark (daughter of Joe Clark), and Trudeau's younger brother, Alexandre.[78] Ben Mulroney was a guest at Trudeau's wedding.[79]

Advocacy
Trudeau has used his public status to promote various causes. He and his family started the Kokanee Glacier Alpine Campaign for winter sports safety in 2000, two years after his brother Michel Trudeau died in an avalanche during a ski trip.[80] In 2002, Trudeau criticized the British Columbia government's decision to stop its funding for a public avalanche warning system.[81]


(left to right) Trudeau, Darfurian refugee Tragi Mustafa, an unidentified woman, and Lieutenant-General Roméo Dallaire (2006)
Trudeau chaired the Katimavik youth program, a project started by longtime family friend Jacques Hébert, from 2002 to 2006.[82][83]

In 2002–03, Trudeau was a panelist on CBC Radio's Canada Reads series, where he championed The Colony of Unrequited Dreams by Wayne Johnston.[84][85] Trudeau and his brother Alexandre inaugurated the Trudeau Centre for Peace and Conflict Studies at the University of Toronto in April 2004; the centre later became a part of the Munk School of Global Affairs.[86] In 2006, he hosted the Giller Prize for literature.[87][88]

In 2005, Trudeau fought against a proposed $100-million zinc mine that he argued would poison the Nahanni River, a United Nations World Heritage Site located in the Northwest Territories. He was quoted as saying, "The river is an absolutely magnificent, magical place. I'm not saying mining is wrong [...] but that is not the place for it. It's just the wrong thing to be doing."[89][90]

On September 17, 2006, Trudeau was the master of ceremonies at a Toronto rally organized by Roméo Dallaire that called for Canadian participation in resolving the Darfur crisis.[91][92][93]
 

Azuran

Banned
No he isn't. I voted for Trudeau and he lied about electoral reform. He might be better than Trump (A LOT BETTER), but I regret voting for him- should have voted for Mulcair after all.

Electoral reform is such a non-issue in the grand scheme of things.

Also Mulcair is a joke and this is coming from someone who usually votes NDP.
 
I envy having him over what the US is stuck with, but isn't he also a man kind of bolstered by his father's legacy. So doesn't that make the answer a resounding, "nah."
 

F0rneus

Tears in the rain
One's a fantastic human being who loves people. The other is a fucking monster who's a huge threat to our way of life. Article checks out.
 

Mr. F

Banned
As an outsider I have one (limited) viewpoint of him, but asking to those that actually live there: Is he actually all that?

I voted for him but I haven't been impressed, they've dropped the ball and/or walked back on a number of their key campaign promises, like electoral reform. it's irritating how much of a pass he's getting on the world stage because of "lol he's hot" and general affability.
 

Xe4

Banned
Canada went from a shit PM to a great one. But apparently the Universe has to be in balance, so the US went from a great leader to shit one. Yaay!
 

Kinitari

Black Canada Mafia
As an outsider I have one (limited) viewpoint of him, but asking to those that actually live there: Is he actually all that?

I'm asking because I've read some stuff about people that I know from outsiders and sometimes it is way off the mark.
I think overall, he's a good person. He may not always do things I agree with, but he's a very good mix of pragmatic and empathetic. Some think he's too much of one or the other, but that's always going to be the case. He's generally liked here, and I'd say the thing that he's done that has upset people the most is his lack of following through on election change. Again, there is a lot of pragmatism it seems like in that decision, but breaking such a big election promise still sits poorly with a lot of people.

Him as a person though? He seems nice, he cares, very socially liberal, likes technology and invests heavily in it, and tries to listen to experts as much as possible. Not really anything else I want in a leader. Oh, he also is pretty good at being a politician and doing interviews and getting people to like him.
 

MikeyB

Member
Buddy is just a fresh coat of paint and a somewhat savvy social media identity for the big red machine.

Same centrists as always.
 

Divvy

Canadians burned my passport
Isn't he a bit of a hypocrite when it comes to the environment?

How so?

Electoral reform is such a non-issue in the grand scheme of things.

Also Mulcair is a joke and this is coming from someone who usually votes NDP.

It's not a non-issue, it's just not the only issue. I'm pretty upset about them dropping the ball on electoral reform, but they're doing well in other issues.
 

Dylan

Member
I wasn't impressed with any of our candidates last time around.

Still waiting for Trudeau to follow through on issues like science and the environment.


Health research is still starving for funds and I haven't heard anything about it getting better.
 

Kinitari

Black Canada Mafia
Was electoral reform that big of an issue?
For a few people, it was the biggest deal, but for the majority of Canadians? Polling and anecdotal data says no. For example, when they would hold rallies on electoral reform in Toronto after the election, I think the most I saw was 200 people once.
 

frontovik

Banned
As a Canadian .. I feel that Trudeau's merely basking in the legacy of his esteemed father. Thus far, he has yet to make any serious improvements for the lives of average Canadians.
 
He is literally just the average liberal politician.


Is he better then Trump? Of course but he isn't some saint and he sure as hell isn't some revolutionary game changer up here in Canada.

We literally voted for the dude so that we could get Harper out of office due to the fact that our electoral system is garbage. Of course there were some views that were also good that people enjoyed and some hope that we might get some electoral vote reform but that didn't happen.

I mean I for one am more NDP then Liberal and we've already seen the Liberals break some promises like what usually happens with elections.

The whole international gushing that we are seeing is an over the top shallow understanding of our current Leader. He isn't really pushing against oil and really isn't heavily working to do much change but it seems for the international press that they need some click-bait poster boy for Americans to look up to.


He is literally the run of the mill politician before most international politicians went overboard to the loony bin be it far left or far right.


Compared to his Father he really isn't s̶a̶y̶i̶n̶g̶ doing much.

Edit: Oh and also some weird ass alt right crazies in our country are out to get him or something.


I guess compared to those insane people I can't complain :/
 

Dylan

Member
For a few people, it was the biggest deal, but for the majority of Canadians? Polling and anecdotal data says no. For example, when they would hold rallies on electoral reform in Toronto after the election, I think the most I saw was 200 people once.

The thing about electoral reform is that people want it really badly while the other guy is in power, but once their party wins, suddenly they don't care anymore, which is what likely happened with Canadian Liberals.
 

Entropia

No One Remembers
No he isn't. I voted for Trudeau and he lied about electoral reform. He might be better than Trump (A LOT BETTER), but I regret voting for him- should have voted for Mulcair after all.

Problem is, if you had voted for Mulcair, the left/center would've been split and we'd still have Harper.

While I don't think Trudeau is all that either and like you said - he fucked somethings up... I'm glad he's our leader rather than Trump.
 
Considering whats happening to the rest of the world going crazy and far "alt-right" or basically fascism, I'd say us Canadians should feel incredibly lucky right now.
 

Kyuur

Member
As an outsider I have one (limited) viewpoint of him, but asking to those that actually live there: Is he actually all that?

I'm asking because I've read some stuff about people where I'm from via the perspective of outsiders and sometimes it is way off the mark.

I think he is a good leader for our country and the Liberal party. In terms of what the government has done so far I think they've made progress in the right direction thus far. The broken electoral reform promise stings a bit but I'm not a one-issue voter, at this point I'm happy to see them continue in their current capacity.

He is literally just the average liberal politician.

He is literally the run of the mill politician before most international politicians went overboard to the loony bin be it far left or far right.

Compared to his Father he really isn't s̶a̶y̶i̶n̶g̶ doing much.

Some people actually want a stable, center-left leader. It's also a bit unfair to compare his father's achievements when he's been PM for less than an eighth of the time his father was at this point.
 

Dylan

Member
He is literally just the average liberal politician.


Is he better then Trump? Of course but he isn't some saint and he sure as hell isn't some revolutionary game changer up here in Canada.

We literally voted for the dude so that we could get Harper out of office due to the fact that our electoral system is garbage. Of course there were some views that were also good that people enjoyed and some hope that we might get some electoral vote reform but that didn't happen.

I mean I for one am more NDP then Liberal and we've already seen the Liberals break some promises like what usually happens with elections.

The whole international gushing that we are seeing is an over the top shallow understanding of our current Leader. He isn't really pushing against oil and really isn't heavily working to do much change but it seems for the international press that they need some click-bait poster boy for Americans to look up to.


He is literally the run of the mill politician before most international politicians went overboard to the loony bin be it far left or far right.


Compared to his Father he really isn't s̶a̶y̶i̶n̶g̶ doing much.

Stop using literally like that.
 

guek

Banned
He is literally just the average liberal politician.


Is he better then Trump? Of course but he isn't some saint and he sure as hell isn't some revolutionary game changer up here in Canada.

We literally voted for the dude so that we could get Harper out of office due to the fact that our electoral system is garbage. Of course there were some views that were also good that people enjoyed and some hope that we might get some electoral vote reform but that didn't happen.

I mean I for one am more NDP then Liberal and we've already seen the Liberals break some promises like what usually happens with elections.

The whole international gushing that we are seeing is an over the top shallow understanding of our current Leader. He isn't really pushing against oil and really isn't heavily working to do much change but it seems for the international press that they need some click-bait poster boy for Americans to look up to.


He is literally the run of the mill politician before most international politicians went overboard to the loony bin be it far left or far right.


Compared to his Father he really isn't s̶a̶y̶i̶n̶g̶ doing much.

Edit: Oh and also some weird ass alt right crazies in our country are out to get him or something.


I guess compared to those insane people I can't complain :/

He reminds me a lot of 2008 Obama.
 

Kinitari

Black Canada Mafia
As a Canadian .. I feel that Trudeau's merely basking in the legacy of his esteemed father. Thus far, he has yet to make any serious improvements for the lives of average Canadians.
Rather than list the things he's done, I'd recommend going here and checking it out:

https://trudeaumetre.polimeter.org

They're very strict, and promises count as broken if they're delivered late or only 95% of the desired goal. Check out fulfilled promises and you'll see some great things.
 
How so?



It's not a non-issue, it's just not the only issue. I'm pretty upset about them dropping the ball on electoral reform, but they're doing well in other issues.
Agreed. I care a lot about electoral reform too, but the Trudeau Liberals have been great in so many other departments, I'm overall a happy camper. Personally, I still think he can be convinced on electoral reform, it will require more work and lobbying though. People need to write letters, start calling and talking to their MPs etc.
 
Also electoral reform is pretty a big deal here in Canada since that is what got Harper to run for 2 terms.

There is one major Conservative party while there are around three to four left leaning ones.

There for our vote for the left gets divided up into more segments then necessary which leads to the Conservative party winning the seat even though more people voted for left candidate.
 
Friends from Canada aren't 100% about Trudeau when they speak about him, but as far as perception goes, he's an immeasurably better face for his county than the embarrassment of the USA.
 

Pedrito

Member
I'm pleasantly surprised. He's not the most eloquent politician to say the least, but he pretty much hits all the right notes in this interview (if he's gonna follow up with actions is an all other story).

He's not the anti-Trump, but this interview is certainly the anti AP Trump interview.
 

dubq

Member
No he isn't. I voted for Trudeau and he lied about electoral reform. He might be better than Trump (A LOT BETTER), but I regret voting for him- should have voted for Mulcair after all.

This. I was NDP until Electoral Reform came into play. Super pissed that he 180'd that and in such a way as to say that, "Canadians don't want it anymore" which is complete horseshit.

Still leagues better than any fucking CPC piece of shit, though.
 

BY2K

Membero Americo
He's far from perfect. There's at least two promises he made we know he won't keep.

But he's a breath of fresh air after that asshole Harper and I won't trade him for anyone as of yet.
 

Dazzler

Member
MY PM

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Volimar

Member
What kind of Electoral reform do you think is needed? I have no position just genuinely curious what is lacking.
 

jstripes

Banned
As a Canadian .. I feel that Trudeau's merely basking in the legacy of his esteemed father. Thus far, he has yet to make any serious improvements for the lives of average Canadians.

Unless he calls a snap election, he's got a guaranteed five year mandate. He's playing the slow game. I'd rather he do that than just jump into it with both feet, given his relative lack of experience.
 
As an American, he seems pretty cool. He seems to be well educated, knowledgeable and what I would ...I guess say is a "good person" if that makes sense.

Donald Trump is not that.

Basically what I look for in a leader (whether or not I agree with all of their policies and positions) is if they appear to actually "be a leader" or whether they "look like a leader"
 

Moppeh

Banned
Thanks, OP, I'll give it a read.

As an outsider I have one (limited) viewpoint of him, but asking to those that actually live there: Is he actually all that?

I'm asking because I've read some stuff about people where I'm from via the perspective of outsiders and sometimes it is way off the mark.

No, he's not.

I think a lot of non-Canadian publications (and maybe even some Canadian ones) make him sound like political Jesus, but he isn't. It just seems like a lot of hyperbole coming from people who are having to endure white nationalism and far right administrations. He's also good at building up hype like his dad.

He isn't a bad PM, mind you, and while I like some of his initiatives as well as his positive impact on politics and the Canadian cultural identity, I'm still not a gigantic fan or anything. There's a good chance I'll be voting NDP next election, especially if the Conservatives don't elect a human dumpster fire and if the NDP choose Charlie Angus as their leader.
 

Dylan

Member
Also electoral reform is pretty a big deal here in Canada since that is what got Harper to run for 2 terms.

There is one major Conservative party while there are around three to four left leaning ones.

There for our vote for the left gets divided up into more segments then necessary which leads to the Conservative party winning the seat even though more people voted for left candidate.

These are slightly different issues though.

We used to have two separate right-wing parties, but they realized they could win the majority by amalgamating into one party, which is how Harper got to power.

The left could also do this; and was on the table for a very brief period. Likely the only reason it didn't happen is because the Liberals were confident that it wasn't necessary.

Electoral reform doesn't really address this; it only addresses the matter of each citizen's vote being more fairly represented.

(e.g. my parents live in a Conservative district, so when I lived there, my votes didn't matter regardless of whether I voted Liberal or NDP
or the ever popular Marxist-Leninist party, whose pamphlets had more spelling errors than a Yahoo Answers thread.
)
 
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