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Ran rp

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"How Netflix’s ‘Hot Girls Wanted’ series exploits sex workers in the name of exposing…how sex workers are exploited?"

I tried.

https://thetab.com/us/usc/2017/04/26/hot-girls-wanted-series-exploits-sex-workers-5195

Hot Girls Wanted, a new Netflix series released on April 21 addresses how technology has normalized the exploitation of sex workers … by exploiting sex workers. The series is a sequel to the 2015 documentary of the same name which followed five female amateur porn stars in Florida.

Despite seemingly feminist intentions, and with Parks and Recreation star Rashida Jones joining the production team on the docu-series, the women-dominated team of producers used numerous online clips of sex performers throughout the series without informing the porn stars.

Kayy contacted Hot Girls Wanted via Twitter direct message in search of an explanation. In response, the show claimed fair use. Fair use allows documentaries to use copyrighted content without permission from the copyright holder for purposes including education, historical background, criticism, research, etc.

Despite the possible fair use of the cam performers’ videos, many are criticizing Netflix’s decision as unethical.

“They essentially outed [Effy] as a sex worker which is extremely dangerous for us,” Kayy said. “It’s completely wrong to take a sex workers’ streams and use them without asking their permission first.”

Kayy replied with her email address to the Hot Girls Wanted account like they requested, but she has not heard from them since. While waiting for further explanation of the supposed fair use, the cam performers are dealing with repercussions of being exposed on a global level. Prior to the series, their audiences were niche and contained to tens of thousands of followers on social media.

Now, the real names of the sex workers, who go by aliases on the internet, were released and footage of their performances have been streamed to a global audience of millions.

“Effy had to call and alert her family so they could alert more distant relatives just in case anyone stumbled across it,” Kayy said.

“I just do not want my sex work being thrown into my family’s face. They didn’t sign up for that,” Kayy said. “They know to avoid certain social platforms due to my work but Netflix? Everyone watches Netflix.”

Not only were families tested and morals questioned, but the exploitation of the sex workers in the docu-series is exactly what the producers are “educating” viewers about.

Edit: Response

http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/hot-girls-wanted-criticism-netflix-1202404087/

In an interview with Variety, filmmakers Jill Bauer and Ronna Gradus defended their series, saying they adhered to standards of documentary filmmaking and fair use.

“The narrative has kind of become hijacked, that we exposed sex workers and that we put them in danger by telling the world that they were sex workers, when in fact we never ever did that,” Gradus said.

Shortly after its premiere, several women and men featured in “Turned On” took to Twitter to denounce the series. One porn actress claimed that filmmakers had promised her that she would not be featured in the series. Two other women claimed that footage from their Periscope feed was used without their permission.

Bauer and Gradus dismiss the former claim as false and the latter as misleading.

Bauer and Gradus argue that because Elizabeth and Kay broadcast the footage on Periscope, fair-use doctrine and the app’s terms of service protect its inclusion in a documentary. Nowhere in the episode are Elizabeth and Kay identified.

“They saw themselves, and then on Twitter, as themselves, using their own handles, tweeted out, ‘Oh my God, we’re on Netflix. Oh my God nobody told us. Oh my God, we’re sex workers and they’ve just shown us on Netflix,'” Gradus said. “So the great irony here is that they identified themselves as sex workers. And really that is a key piece of information that has been lost in this story.” She added, “We didn’t know who they were. We never would have known, the viewers never would have known, unless they themselves identified themselves.”

Asked whether she felt that Elizabeth and Kay may be using their inclusion in the series to grow their profiles as performers, Gradus said, “I don’t think we can make a comment on their intentions. But that’s a fair question that I think the public should think about.”

After Elizabeth and Kay took to Twitter, other porn performers began to speak out against the series. One woman featured prominently in the series, performer Gia Paige, wrote on Twitter, “HEY @hotgirlswanted REMEMBER WHEN YOU PROMISED TO CUT MY PART BC YOU WERE TRYING TO MAKE ME TALK ABOUT MY FAMILY AND I WAS UNCOMFORTABLE.” She added in a follow-up tweet, “BECAUSE I DO. THANKS FOR KEEPING YOUR WORD. SNAKES.”

Other performers have complained that they would not have agreed to be filmed for the series had they known it was connected to the original “Hot Girls Wanted.”

Bauer rebutted those claims, saying that Paige, like all performers filmed for the series, signed a release form and that she never expressed to filmmakers a desire to be cut out of the final product. “Nobody was coerced,” Bauer said.

“The bottom line is that everyone in the series was completely aware that this was a ‘Hot Girls Wanted’ offshoot and that we were involved,” she added. “All of those allegations are false.”
 

Volimar

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I gotta think that this was one of those situations where no malice was intended, but they just didn't realize they were doing something so stupid and harmful.
 
So let me get this straight.

That quote in the Op, that woman is annoyed that her distant relatives may stumble across the fact she's a sex worker on the internet?

By seeing videos of her being a sex worker on the internet?

You reap what you sow.
 

Dimefan3

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The fact that Netflix puts Happy Gilmore under the heading 'Raunchy Movies' should tell you everything about their moral compass to anything involving sex and sex workers.
 
So let me get this straight.

That quote in the Op, that woman is annoyed that her distant relatives may stumble across the fact she's a sex worker on the internet?

By seeing videos of her being a sex worker on the internet?

You reap what you sow.
They used footage of her without approval, claiming fair use. Surely you understand the difference between doing a cam show and someone then ripping that footage to use in a Netflix series, and how one is more likely to have your family stumble across it.
 

giga

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”I just do not want my sex work being thrown into my family's face. They didn't sign up for that," Kayy said. ”They know to avoid certain social platforms due to my work but Netflix? Everyone watches Netflix."
What sort of social platforms are you telling your family to avoid so they don't see you perform naked? Both Twitter and Instagram are full of these accounts.
 

Volimar

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So let me get this straight.

That quote in the Op, that woman is annoyed that her distant relatives may stumble across the fact she's a sex worker on the internet?

By seeing videos of her being a sex worker on the internet?

You reap what you sow.


They removed her anonymity and are promoting her sex work on a platform that millions of people use every day, perhaps even using her likeness to promote it. Without her permission. You don't see what might be problematic to her?
 

hom3land

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They used footage of her without approval, claiming fair use. Surely you understand the difference between doing a cam show and someone then ripping that footage to use in a Netflix series, and how one is more likely to have your family stumble across it.



Does she vet all her watchers to make sure they aren't family? Or does her family just not watch porn?
 

SamVimes

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What sort of social platforms are you telling your family to avoid so they don't see you perform naked? Both Twitter and Instagram are full of these accounts.

They just need to not follow XXXmydaughterspornaccountXXX, it's not that hard.
 
Does she vet all her watchers to make sure they aren't family? Or does her family just not watch porn?
Are these real questions? You really don't get the difference between a cam show and having that footage appear in a Netflix series?

When dealing with material like this, the first thing you'd do is get permission. The fair use defense here is just ridiculous.
 
So let me get this straight.

That quote in the Op, that woman is annoyed that her distant relatives may stumble across the fact she's a sex worker on the internet?

By seeing videos of her being a sex worker on the internet?

You reap what you sow.
Huh? They exposed their names and showed clips of them without their permission.

Their sites are also behind a pay wall.
 

Volimar

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Does she vet all her watchers to make sure they aren't family? Or does her family just not watch porn?


Presumably it would be unlikely for any of them to stumble on to her cam shows because she uses a pseudonym. Netflix used her real name and footage from her shows making it much more likely that she'll be recognized.
 

Ran rp

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So let me get this straight.

That quote in the Op, that woman is annoyed that her distant relatives may stumble across the fact she's a sex worker on the internet?

By seeing videos of her being a sex worker on the internet?

You reap what you sow.

They used aliases and the show outed their real names while using footage of their performances, making it much easier to recognize them and stumble across their work elsewhere.

What sort of social platforms are you telling your family to avoid so they don't see you perform naked? Both Twitter and Instagram are full of these accounts.

Twitter and Tumblr most likely. Maybe Reddit as well.
 
Does she vet all her watchers to make sure they aren't family? Or does her family just not watch porn?

She streams on a site made for porn. I think she's aware that it's possible that family might stumble upon it. She did not however sign up for advertising herself and her real identity on Netflix, I presume. What are you not getting here exactly?

You sound like you're saying these girls deserve what's coming to them - as if they need to be punished in some way for doing what they're doing.
 
She streams on a site made for porn. I think she's aware that it's possible that family might stumble upon it. She did not however sign up for advertising herself and her real identity on Netflix, I presume. What are you not getting here exactly?

You sound like you're saying these girls deserve what's coming to them - as if they need to be punished in some way for doing what they're doing.
That's the vibe I'm getting in here too, and I'm sure it's gonna get more blatant from other people as the thread goes on.
 

Wiped89

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These streams are available on the Internet in public.

Don't want people to see you maybe you shouldn't get naked for money online?

Fair use policy applies here. Unfortunate for the people whone clips were used but thems the breaks.

EDIT: Ah, the documentary then goes and finds their real names, not given out on the streams and publishes them too? Hmm. Not sure about that.
 

Alienfan

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Maybe I'm misreading but she makes it seem like Netflix watched her cam show, recorded it, and then used the footage in HotGirlsWanted with her real name. But didn't Netflix just get the footage off porn hub and then someone who watched the show, knew her name and wrote about it online. It's still bad, Netflix should have asked, but I guess most documentaries don't, so they didn't
 
Maybe I'm misreading but she makes it seem like Netflix watched her cam show, recorded it, and then used the footage in HotGirlsWanted with her real name. But something tells me Netflix got the footage off porn hub and then someone who watched the show, knew her name and wrote about it online
That's still scummy, if you know her real name why wouldn't you contact her first? I doubt she discloses her real name in the videos.
 
So let me get this straight.

That quote in the Op, that woman is annoyed that her distant relatives may stumble across the fact she's a sex worker on the internet?

By seeing videos of her being a sex worker on the internet?

You reap what you sow.

At least one of them rescinded their agreement to participate in the Netflix series and their footage was used anyway.
 

Bad7667

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I was thinking about this while watching one of the episodes. One girl says her family doesn't know and she doesn't want them to know. But if that was so important why are you allowing this documentary crew film you, it will be on Netflix and with your real name is being used.

Thought that was weird. I guess if this story is true it makes a lot more sense.
 

TraBuch

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I don't see the issue with using clips from her cam show, but it seems pretty fucked up to put her real name out there.
 

weshes195

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So let me get this straight.

That quote in the Op, that woman is annoyed that her distant relatives may stumble across the fact she's a sex worker on the internet?

By seeing videos of her being a sex worker on the internet?

You reap what you sow.

Um, not only what they did was genuinely horrible, are you seriously fucking comparing a family member finding her videos out of the MILLIONS and MILLIONS porn videos on WWW to LITERALLY her video in 1 MOVIE in which the family will see, unexpectedly?

How about you shut your ignorant mouth you asshat.
 

platakul

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That's awful. Also the movie ran out of gas. This needed to be a series? Feels like Netflix algorithms ordering things based on views
 

Shredderi

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Them revealing the real names of the models who work under aliases was real fucking scummy. That benefits no one but WILL bite the models and their relatives when cruel idiots start harassing said relatives, because that's what cruel and pathetic people like to do in order to hurt and shame their victims. Some common fucking sense would be nice. The models work under aliases for a very good reason and often that is to protect their families, not just themselves.
 

WarrenD

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I don't get it. If they're streaming under a pseudonym and the screens were grabbed from a stream without permission how did they get their real names?
 

MsKrisp

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This is disappointing.

She streams on a site made for porn. I think she's aware that it's possible that family might stumble upon it. She did not however sign up for advertising herself and her real identity on Netflix, I presume. What are you not getting here exactly?

You sound like you're saying these girls deserve what's coming to them - as if they need to be punished in some way for doing what they're doing.

This thread is gonna be pretty gross, huh. These girls didn't deserve to get exposed like this. Are cam streams even fair use, especially behind a paywall or from private sessions?
 
On the one hand, putting their real.names out there seems kinda shady. If Netflix did something illegal I've no doubt lawsuits will follow promptly enough.

But honestly, putting yourself on cam shows is kinda putting yourself out there to be recognised anyways. Seems to me like it comes with the territory.
 

StudioTan

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So let me get this straight.

That quote in the Op, that woman is annoyed that her distant relatives may stumble across the fact she's a sex worker on the internet?

By seeing videos of her being a sex worker on the internet?

You reap what you sow.

Slut shaming at it's finest.

The chances of relatives finding your cam stream are very small and even if they did there's some complicity because the person would have to admit they were browsing cam sites if they tell the rest of the family. This is much different than Netflix outing you to millions of people without your consent.
 
On the one hand, putting their real.names out there seems kinda shady. If Netflix did something illegal I've no doubt lawsuits will follow promptly enough.

But honestly, putting yourself on cam shows is kinda putting yourself out there to be recognised anyways. Seems to me like it comes with the territory.
I mean yeah it's possible and I'm sure they thought of that but the likelihood that a family member is going to stumble across your cam site and then pay for it? Very slim. The issue here is exactly the way they were exposed, you can't just remove context from it.
 
How the fuck do people compare being behind a pseudonym within a massive sea of internet models vs being featured in one prominent Netflix featured tv series with your full name exposed?

As if cam girls don't have enough to worry about already with stalkers chasing them down.
 
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